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Endorphyne Hydra	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:58:00 - [1] Have you ever played Homeworld 2..and seen the devastating power and not to mention pure beauty of the Flakfrigates? Formations of small fighters getting vaporized in a wall of fire!! Well..I say no more!!!
M Mother	Posted - 2006.10.11 20:16:00 - [2] Yeah I have! and it's beautiful. these intensive black explosions really giving me adrenalinerush. This weapon sould be a great compliment for player who wanna specialize against frigates!
Cygnet Lythanea Ninjitsu Heavy Industries Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.11 21:22:00 - [3] And even better to be able to mount on the battleships, allowing it to become an indestructable pwnmobile until somone nerfs them!
Nahia Senne Fortunis Novum	Posted - 2006.10.12 10:12:00 - [4] i demand a +10 frigate slaying turret
Lux Simian	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:01:00 - [5] Isn't that essential kind of like a destroyer? Designed as a anti-frigate platform (The Catalyst has 7 Turrets - thats a lot of dead tech1 frigates). Or are we talking about having a kind of rapid fire area of effect turret that is designed to be used as a shield screen against small vessels.
Amarr Citizen 13513	Posted - 2006.10.12 16:36:00 - [6] Fit small guns on your battleship if you want to be more effective against frigates.
Modir	Posted - 2006.10.12 20:35:00 - [7] Yes we are talking extremly rapid crossfire making it almost impossible for frigates to come close. Small turrets are not the same to flakcannons The flakcannons would maybe be requireing a lot of energy, maybe twice a normal large turret to not make the gun too superior.
Zosimos Sabina Amarr Loot	Posted - 2006.10.12 20:58:00 - [8] Not until we have torpedo boats on frigate chassis. AKA destroyers with bonuses to fitting siege launchers. We don't need more ways for battleship flyers to screw over frigates. Maybe some of you don't remember what its like to be low-sp and stuck in small ships - it sucks to need a 5-6 man gang before you can even think about touching a battleship with a decent sized drone bay and/or web/nosferatu.
ragewind Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.12 21:35:00 - [9] Originally by: Zosimos Sabina Not until we have torpedo boats on frigate chassis. AKA destroyers with bonuses to fitting siege launchers. We don't need more ways for battleship flyers to screw over frigates. Maybe some of you don't remember what its like to be low-sp and stuck in small ships - it sucks to need a 5-6 man gang before you can even think about touching a battleship with a decent sized drone bay and/or web/nosferatu. on the thought proceses i demand CCP gives me a BS which has bonuses to fit citerdel torps with seige mod damage modifire. its just not fair cyvok has so many more skill points and his has the money to fly a titan i must be abel to counter it solo ------------------------------------ Dragon the patch to optimise EVE. Welcome to Tranquillity the optimised snail Please wait 4 minuets to jump war targets are 2 seconds away.
Valharu	Posted - 2006.10.12 22:14:00 - [10] I think they should beef up the Destroyers and Cruisers befor they think of adding anti frig weapons in the game. Let the Destroyers and Cruisers be the Battleships anti frig weapons though it would be nice if they altered how hard weapons hit presently. I hit a interceptor for with Torps for 12 points a hit, I think the intercepters hit each other harder with weakers weapons.

Ruze	Posted - 2006.10.12 22:21:00 - [11] I guess we have different views of Destroyers and cruisers. Destroyers ARE a battleships anti-frig weapon. I personally believe their sig-radius needs to be a tad bit smaller, and their speed a tad bit quicker, but not a huge adjustment. But in a 'true' definition of a destroyer, it is a anti-frigate platform meant to fly alongside cruisers and battleships. I personally feel that cruisers do NOT need to be upgraded. They have their strengths and weaknesses, but overall they are one of the most balanced classes in the game.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.10.12 23:38:00 - [12] make flak cannons use 120k CPU, then give the tech 1 destroyers a -100% CPU reduction for the use of flak cannons. basicly they are a good idea but restrict them wholely to Tech 1 Destroyers.
Zosimos Sabina Amarr Loot	Posted - 2006.10.12 23:39:00 - [13] Edited by: Zosimos Sabina on 12/10/2006 23:44:55 Originally by: ragewind Originally by: Zosimos Sabina Not until we have torpedo boats on frigate chassis. AKA destroyers with bonuses to fitting siege launchers. We don't need more ways for battleship flyers to screw over frigates. Maybe some of you don't remember what its like to be low-sp and stuck in small ships - it sucks to need a 5-6 man gang before you can even think about touching a battleship with a decent sized drone bay and/or web/nosferatu. on the thought proceses i demand CCP gives me a BS which has bonuses to fit citerdel torps with seige mod damage modifire. its just not fair cyvok has so many more skill points and his has the money to fly a titan i must be abel to counter it solo Rage torpedoes not working out for you? You know what I mean. The battleship is still a solopwnmobile with drones/nos able to really f*** over smaller ships while still being really useful vs other battleships. There is no way for a younger player to fit out to counter a battleship. Instead, you need a blob. Great improvement of gameplay there. And your Titan example is dumb. Battleships (3 sizes down from Titan, just like destroyer is 3 sizes down from BS) will totally mess up an unsupported Titan in a way no frigate/destroyer could do to a BS. BSs can tank Titan drones, and move fast enough to avoid the capital guns. If they stay aligned they can dodge the superweapon. In short, a Titan is not in any way comparable to a BS. A titan won't die to one bs though - its tank is too great. That's not the way BS vs smaller is right now though. BS have the tools to make its guns and fittings extremely efficient vs smaller ship classes without gimping its fit vs other battleships. There is no tradeoff in making the battleship versatile. I blame this partly on the distinction between drone sizes being too small, partly on the advent of tech2 ammo, and partly on nosferatu being really awesome. P.S. This flakcannon idea sounds just like smartbombs but with a different graphic. Not a unique idea, not /signed.
Ruze No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.12 23:45:00 - [14] I disagree completely. I have personally taken part in a T1 frig gank, with 10 players in T1 frigates, not a one with over 3 mil SP, effectively taking out a BS with T2 weaponry. True, the second time around he equiped smartbombs and made lunchmeat of us, but the financial victory was overwhelmingly ours. Frigates CAN take out a BS, just like BS's can take out a Titan. To the original op, though I do like the idea of a flakcannon, I don't think more support needs to be bent towards anti-frigate warfare. T2 frigates have the show right now, but won't forever. If only people would use destroyers for their intended purpose, there wouldn't be a need for such weaponry. Fixing POS's By Introducing Colonization
Strikeclone Caldari Starscreamers	Posted - 2006.10.13 09:17:00 - [15] I assume that the OP knows that ships in Eve are mega uber huge compared to ships in HW2. in Eve to get the equivilent "flak" effect you are talking 500mm cannon shells at least frigates are the size of several houses. battleships are a mile long.... Eve just doesnt work like HW2 in terms of size or weapon loadouts. I wish to fuk that it did but the damamge model is completely different. Its why we can t have "anti missile phalax guns like wot they does in RL" If this game was any kind of accurate simulation battleships would have thirty times more weapons of all size classes. Frigates would be able to carry cruise/torps and those missiles would do massive one of damage. But they dont, and for the sake of playability in Eve they never can. If CCP makes Eve2 and works in some elite, X3 and HW2 not to mention a complete rip off of Freespace2 then were in bussiness. Strikeclone High chief Pombear. Head of Navel intellygence.KAiN Defender of the enourmous manhood.Kd
Juno Rex	Posted - 2006.10.16 11:33:00 - [16] Mmm...there's much work to be done yet! I'm really excited to see where we are in 2-3 years..if EVE survives..damn!=)
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.10.16 15:17:00 - [17] make flak cannons destroyer only weapons, this would help push an underused ship class into service. destroyers are the perfect ship for this as they are defined as being the anti-frigate vessel of choice.


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