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Jikiya
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Posted - 2006.10.11 16:31:00 -
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It says in many of the chronicles that once a pod pilot dies, they "begin their muddy trek to consciousness." Now, I do not see how this is possible if you don't have a Jump Clone.
I believe when a pod pilot dies without a Jump Clone, the consciousness they have then and there dies with them. Say, if I were a pod pilot, I'd die simply knowing the fact that I live on... somewhere, but all my thought (after the brain photo) would die.
If you know what I mean.
Think of Red Dwarf and Arnold J. Rimmer.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Worms Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.11 17:02:00 -
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the chronicles were written before jumpclones. i dont even see how jumpclones fit into game lore as in storyline the brainscanner likely kills the subject in the process so unless the jump clone is expended when you jump back to your primary it just wouldnt fit in.
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Jikiya
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Posted - 2006.10.11 17:08:00 -
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That's not quite my point. I was using Jump Clones as an example where you and your clone are constantly mind-linked. With regular clones, their consciousness dies and a new consciousness with excatly the same personality begins. So, in a regular clone, you can't live forever. Your personality can, but your awareness cannot.
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Sylan Taramire
Gallente
Phoenix Wing
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Posted - 2006.10.12 03:27:00 -
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Basically, it boils down to wether or not there is one such thing as a Soul.
What you are describing as one's awareness is the "spirit", the conciousness that makes us human beings. If you beleive this consciousness is strictly biological, the possibility of it being plural doesn't seem problematic. One "you" dies, another "you" wakes up and continues where the previous "you" left. Nobody (yourself included) will see the difference. In fact, without a transcendant "you", there IS no difference.
If you beleive in a metaphysical entity that defines a human being, cloning is alot more problematic. We can either assume that the "soul", as in the consiousness, is being transferred to the new host, or that it just disappears and either the clone is a ghost, a soul-less creature, or that a brand new soul, nearly identical to the original's one, is born.
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.11.27 14:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
the chronicles were written before jumpclones. i dont even see how jumpclones fit into game lore as in storyline the brainscanner likely kills the subject in the process so unless the jump clone is expended when you jump back to your primary it just wouldnt fit in.
Jump clones make sense if you consider that in order to develop cloning technology an exceedingly good understanding of the structure of the human brain was already required. Very high resolution brain scanners must have already existed before the neural burning scanner was the developed. We need the NBS though, because it's the only thing fast enough to save you from dying in the field.
This is why, we only use jump clones from stations, and we need standing to do it. We need access to high resolution imaging facilities to map out our brains non-destructively, deactivate the consciousness in the clone we leave behind and to update the consciousness of the clone we're jumping to.
If anything, there's a bigger problem with the nature of the self in using jump clones then there is in using emergency clones. With a jump clone, technically you're making a copy. With an emergency clone, you're being 'extracted' at the last moment.
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Cyrus Graham
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.27 16:28:00 -
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((In character response))
I once asked this very question of my flight instructor after a bad run-in with some Gurrista scum. He smiled and said "It works, you're here, and it was cheaper than training a new recruit. Now let's get back out there and recover our losses."
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