Originally by: Captin Soggy

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Edited by: Captin Soggy on 12/10/2006 13:36:36
this will solve nothing

me or anybody ells will just make a 1 man corp and make and alt the ceo and leave if we get war deced. and sense the corp was never dispanded or reformed its not an exsploit. and sense im in palyer corp i can set up Pos

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Originally by: Quutar

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you are not taxed on any bounties or mission rewards below 30k isk...

for the first month the rats you fight won't be higher bounty than that, or if they are, its time to find a player corp.

Mission rewards, meh, I can't remeber what level 1 missions pay out for thier reward (you don't get taxed on the "on time bonus", just the mission reward)

I would be all for NPC corps having a 10% tax... same as most player corps.

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Originally by: Rafein

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we should not force players to leave NPC corps. Players should be free to remain in NPC corps their entire life.

Bt players should graduate from the academies after 6 months, so they are moved to the faction NPC corp instead of the academy.

Then, if you if you are in a faction's corp, like Caldari Provisional, you are automatically involved in faction warefare, and can be attacked freely from anyone from the opposing faction. You gotta give and take from your faction. Want their protection, gotta fight their battles.

Done.

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Originally by: Eve Hel

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Edited by: Eve Hel on 12/10/2006 15:45:13
the whole punish ppl in NPC corps are sick ! noone should be forced to leave NPC corp or to suffer a too big financiel punishment !,,,

that sayd i see no problem with adding a 5-10% tax to the NPC corps, kinda realistic that you pay the corp for protection, however 15% too deep friend, i would never join a corp with above 10% tax NPC or player corp, 15% is simple to much !, as someone already sayd 10% is normal for player corps,, soo sure a person in a NPC corp would be fair to pay the same tax,,, but to have to pay more !! lol sorry friend that's just not good idea.

again why is it so importent to you to try and force ppl out of NPC corps ! they pay the same to play the game, shouldn't they be allowed to play theit way and not you'rs !?!.

10% okay !

15% NO fricken way !

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Originally by: Estelle Matsuko

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The reason I suggested 15% is it¦s just a little extra incentive to move out of the NPC corp to a lower taxed corp.

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Originally by: Norris Neophitus

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I haven't read every post but aren't you just suggesting whats already been done a 100times before and thats cutting mission rewards, but not just cutting them it also cuts the bounties on rats and stuff.
Will just create more carebare miners though honestly i would prefer the tax aproach to cutting mission reward to the individual mission tampering as that never really seems to work well.

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Originally by: Norris Neophitus

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I haven't read every post but aren't you just suggesting whats already been done a 100times before and thats cutting mission rewards, but not just cutting them it also cuts the bounties on rats and stuff.
Will just create more carebare miners though honestly i would prefer the tax aproach to cutting mission reward to the individual mission tampering as that never really seems to work well.

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Originally by: Rafein

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we should not force players to leave NPC corps. Players should be free to remain in NPC corps their entire life.

Bt players should graduate from the academies after 6 months, so they are moved to the faction NPC corp instead of the academy.

Then, if you if you are in a faction's corp, like Caldari Provisional, you are automatically involved in faction warefare, and can be attacked freely from anyone from the opposing faction. You gotta give and take from your faction. Want their protection, gotta fight their battles.

Done.

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Originally by: Eve Hel

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Edited by: Eve Hel on 12/10/2006 16:13:20
Edited by: Eve Hel on 12/10/2006 16:09:00
Edited by: Eve Hel on 12/10/2006 16:08:25
Edited by: Eve Hel on 12/10/2006 16:06:13

Originally by: Estelle Matsuko

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The reason I suggested 15% is it¦s just a little extra incentive to move out of the NPC corp to a lower taxed corp.

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there you go friend ! you sayd it yourself.

and as for you being in a NPC corp, that means nothing for this discussion.

if you put a higher tax on NPC corps than the normal player corp tax, that IS a atemp to force ppl !

and oh yeaeh you'r idea is not about increasing reward for isk,,, its to lower reward when not taken the risk.

if you really wanted to increase the reward on risk taken,, than consentrate on increasing the rewards when going to low-sec and 0.0

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Originally by: Estelle Matsuko

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Originally by: Norris Neophitus

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I haven't read every post but aren't you just suggesting whats already been done a 100times before and thats cutting mission rewards, but not just cutting them it also cuts the bounties on rats and stuff.
Will just create more carebare miners though honestly i would prefer the tax aproach to cutting mission reward to the individual mission tampering as that never really seems to work well.

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Nope, i¦m not suggesting cutting mission bounties and rewards, because that would affect people in player corps as well as those in NPC corps, and lets face it, bounties and rewards are **** poor in empire already.

My idea just creates another decision for the player to make.

Do I want a war free life and 15% tax? NPC corp

Do I want a life with a risk of war and 10% or less tax? Empire corp

Do I want a life with a reasonable amount of risk and quite good prospects for serious isk? Lowsec corp

Do I want to blob the hell out of a star system, drop nodes at will, take part in alliance warfare, hunt for the elusive officer spawn, do a complex to death, make some (with a little luck) SERIOUS isk? 0.0 corp/ alliance corp.

See? It¦s a natural progression in pursuit of the holy isk.

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Originally by: Estelle Matsuko

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Yes. Lower reward for zero risk.

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Originally by: Estelle Matsuko

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It seems we have a communication problem here. Several people have mentioned that it is WRONG to "Force" people to move out of NPC corporations.

At no point does my suggestion do that.

They can stay as long as they want. No problemo. Whats that? you don¦t want to be bothered with Wars and inconveniences like that? No problemo, thats 15% of your rewards and bounties please, and Guido here will ensure you are not disturbed.

It forces nothing. It merely presents the player with a choice.

No risk..Low Isk
Moderate risk..more isk
High risk..good isk
Insane risk...mucho isk.

See? not once has the player been forced to do anything.

So please, no more "Wrong to force the players" comments, because once again thats not what i¦m suggesting.

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Originally by: flummox

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this is a good idea...

also, NPC corps status should be Standings Based after 6 months of employment. There should be two divisions of NPC corps: Civilian and Union (or any names that you wish).

Union members consist of pilots that:

a) are more than 6 months old and have good standing with the corp (a standing obtainable with a decent amount of work within a 6 month timespan. maybe 2.5. nothing too hard to obtain. but it should be set where you cannot just stay in the corp with no effort)

b) are n00bs; less than 6 months old

c) are taxed (or perhaps a 'bill/rent'. think of it as 'dues'. individual standing can reduce this. failure to pay means you lose Union status and immediately get dumped into Civilian status)

d) are not ellible for war declarations

e) unable to anchor items in space


Civilian members are:

a) more than 6 months of employment;

b) no standings required (go ahead and be lazy)

c) non-taxed

d) open for war declarations

e) able to anchor items in space


basically, a n00b player will automatically be Unionized upon creation with whatever starting corp they wish. you may also join any other NPC corp withint the first 6 months and be granted Union Status. once the 6 months hit, you have to have a high status to remain Unionized. then taxes/bills kick in. if conditions are not met, then you lose Union Status and are considered in the Civilian corp.

this will allow Player Corps to declare war on Civilian branches. and hopefully reduce the people who 'hide' in NPC corps at NO RISK. perhaps it will encourage people to join a real corp where they can coordinate things for protection and better profits through teamwork.

it's just an attempt to cut down on those people who abuse the NPC corp situation. you can still stay in a NPC corp if you wish, and with a little bit of work. then perhaps other Player corps would be able to declare war on the civilians so we can blow up stupid cans and prevent the lazy (no risk) from being completely protected (reward).

not sure this is the right thing to do. maybe not. but, i believe that something like this would be a lot better than letting NPC corp abusers roam free and have the same 'rights' that the vulnerable have. sorry, i don't see much 'bonus', besides teamwork and pride, in being in a Player Corp compared to being in a n00b corp. n00b corps can do everything i can. well, besides being wardec'd and using a corporate hangar (which costs money)...

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