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Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
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Posted - 2015.02.28 04:04:35 -
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I really feel that the Slicer is the worst of the faction frig lineup because it's terrible slot layout makes it a one trick pony. Now I admit it does do that 1 trick extremely well and is definitely a good competitive frig in it's role, but it lacks any versatility and 99% of slicer fits are kite and have 1 dead slot.
I'm talking about the utility high of course, the 2 mid slots pigeon hole it into kiting since brawl slicers severely lack range control that is key for a brawler especially one with lasers because of their poor tracking. The utility high gives no synergy with kiting fits at all as nothing you can put in there will benefit you in a kiting scenario (except maybe an auto targeter to help lock up more drones to kill em).
So I propose moving the utility highslot to a midslot. I'll be honest and say I'm not the greatest Slicer pilot but I have flown the ship around abit and I don't think it will overpower it. I also have alot of experience with frigate warfare and have fought against Slicer in almost every other frig in the game.
What does the community think? Is moving the utility highslot to a mid slot too much? Is it a good idea, comments/suggestions/flames welcome and encouraged.
Also: inb4 Chessur tells me I suck and that Slicers are godmode :) |
Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
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Posted - 2015.02.28 04:10:40 -
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How about they just remove the highslot outright?
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Faction warfare pilot and solo/small gang PVP advocate
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Kabark
Caliburn Company
Violent Declaration
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Posted - 2015.02.28 04:37:35 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:How about they just remove the highslot outright?
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Remove the high slot and buff its base armor. |
Promiscuous Medusa
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.02.28 04:50:07 -
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Its the firefly that needs help, the slicer is fine. |
Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
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Posted - 2015.02.28 05:01:25 -
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Well removing the highslot would be an unnecessary nerf to an already not versatile frig. However removing it and buffing it's armor is definitely a good suggestion, I like that idea alot.
As for the Firetail needing help, the firetail is amazing, it is very versatile and has many good fits. Dual Web Arty fits are amazing, you can also do Ab/scram/web/MSE Double gyro for a heavy dps (220+) firetail with a good buffer, dual prop for catching kiters, dual web brawler for range control and sig tanking bad tracking guns. The list goes on and on. This versatility puts the Firetail above the Slicer IMO. |
Catherine Laartii
Imperium Technologies
Evictus.
485
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Posted - 2015.02.28 05:06:42 -
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I have to say you kind of have it backwards. If you look at usage stats the slicers is at the top along with the comet as a solo pvp frig. It's a very common sight in lowsec and is very good at what it does. That being said, I certainly wouldn't mind moving a high to a mid on it; a cap booster would be a very nice addition. |
Lienzo
Amanuensis
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Posted - 2015.02.28 05:18:53 -
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Increasing the PG requirements of bulkheads and decreasing the CPU requirements would make for a lot of rather speedy solo fits, especially on a ship like the slicer.
This wouldn't be OP and eventually boring if all buffer tank mods had a stacking penalty. |
Promiscuous Medusa
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.02.28 06:27:39 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Well removing the highslot would be an unnecessary nerf to an already not versatile frig. However removing it and buffing it's armor is definitely a good suggestion, I like that idea alot.
As for the Firetail needing help, the firetail is amazing, it is very versatile and has many good fits. Dual Web Arty fits are amazing, you can also do Ab/scram/web/MSE Double gyro for a heavy dps (220+) firetail with a good buffer, dual prop for catching kiters, dual web brawler for range control and sig tanking bad tracking guns. The list goes on and on. This versatility puts the Firetail above the Slicer IMO.
Slicer pushes 200dps from 18km out and can best every one of those fits. Only way the fire wins is if catches the slicer off guard with a heated mwd and lands a scram. A kiting slicer is way more manoeuvrable too so on matched skill level, slicer wins. |
Lugburz
Running with Dogs
Nerfed Alliance Go Away
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Posted - 2015.02.28 06:42:16 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:How about they just remove the highslot outright?
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I agree, take away that overpowered extra highslot and give my slicer more tank, cus y'know, it needs it... LOL
How about this op.. try flying some different frigates? |
Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
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Posted - 2015.02.28 06:43:18 -
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Promiscuous Medusa wrote:Dato Koppla wrote:Well removing the highslot would be an unnecessary nerf to an already not versatile frig. However removing it and buffing it's armor is definitely a good suggestion, I like that idea alot.
As for the Firetail needing help, the firetail is amazing, it is very versatile and has many good fits. Dual Web Arty fits are amazing, you can also do Ab/scram/web/MSE Double gyro for a heavy dps (220+) firetail with a good buffer, dual prop for catching kiters, dual web brawler for range control and sig tanking bad tracking guns. The list goes on and on. This versatility puts the Firetail above the Slicer IMO. Slicer pushes 200dps from 18km out and can best every one of those fits. Only way the fire wins is if catches the slicer off guard with a heated mwd and lands a scram. A kiting slicer is way more manoeuvrable too so on matched skill level, slicer wins.
Yeah that's true but you can easily fit a firetail to beat a kiting slicer, it's naturally faster and a nano Mwd/Scram/Web firetail will easily catch and kill a kiting slicer.
but like I said, I'm not arguing the Slicer kite fit is bad, it's just that it has a slot that's completely useless. That slot would be much better served as a mid so that the Slicer can run brawling fits well and also giving kite fits a cap booster/defensive web etc. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions
Poopstain Removal Team
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Posted - 2015.02.28 09:01:14 -
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Nah, I think if you have an opponent like a dramiel or daredevil that like it close and cosy, you would like to fit a small nos up there to keep a rep and the turrets going.
Which reminds me to ask CCP to increase the range of the small nos to 7k-ish and shove a little cpu of. I don't like that noses need more cpu than a neut since the neut is much more powerful than any other module in the game.
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Jane Shapperd
SUPERFLUOUS WANDERLUST
Gentlemen's.Club
121
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Posted - 2015.02.28 14:56:59 -
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eh slicer is fine as it is , its one of my favorit ships and bit well balanced
you wanna brawl with it fit tracking enhancers and a plate
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Jane Shapperd
SUPERFLUOUS WANDERLUST
Gentlemen's.Club
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Posted - 2015.02.28 14:59:45 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Promiscuous Medusa wrote:Dato Koppla wrote:Well removing the highslot would be an unnecessary nerf to an already not versatile frig. However removing it and buffing it's armor is definitely a good suggestion, I like that idea alot.
As for the Firetail needing help, the firetail is amazing, it is very versatile and has many good fits. Dual Web Arty fits are amazing, you can also do Ab/scram/web/MSE Double gyro for a heavy dps (220+) firetail with a good buffer, dual prop for catching kiters, dual web brawler for range control and sig tanking bad tracking guns. The list goes on and on. This versatility puts the Firetail above the Slicer IMO. Slicer pushes 200dps from 18km out and can best every one of those fits. Only way the fire wins is if catches the slicer off guard with a heated mwd and lands a scram. A kiting slicer is way more manoeuvrable too so on matched skill level, slicer wins. Yeah that's true but you can easily fit a firetail to beat a kiting slicer, it's naturally faster and a nano Mwd/Scram/Web firetail will easily catch and kill a kiting slicer. but like I said, I'm not arguing the Slicer kite fit is bad, it's just that it has a slot that's completely useless. That slot would be much better served as a mid so that the Slicer can run brawling fits well and also giving kite fits a cap booster/defensive web etc.
the high slot is not useless it allows you to over heat u guns more , if you have cap issues then ******* manage your cap by pulsing reps when needed .
and a firetale will not catch my slicer >.> it really depends on how u fit it |
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