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Musashi IV Off-World Mining 43	Posted - 2015.02.28 16:06:04 - [1] - Quote I used to have a 3 account ice mining corporation. It took many months and mil of isk to train 2 Mac and an Orca for ice mining. I could log in anytime during the day and mine my quota of ice. Now I cant even fill one mining ship let alone an Orca before the ice is depleted!! If I dont log on withen an hour of server startup I prob wont get any Ice for the day. Even if they triple the size of an ice field thier are so many ships the ice would be gone withen an hour. If I had the time I could check every hour for ice but like many players I do not have the time to play the game 24/7. Ive had to cancel 2 of my accounts because I cant make enouph isk to make them worth while. Many of you may think this sounds boring. If all I did was ice mine you would be correct. With the isk I make from ice mining I am able to do anything I wanted over the years. Now Im just about to close down my last account. CCP you need to bring back permanant ice fields or at least respawn an ice asteriod in a different location when one is depleted.
Abrazzar Vardaugas Family 6099	Posted - 2015.02.28 16:09:08 - [2] - Quote I'd say you have to move systems. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics
Musashi IV Off-World Mining 43	Posted - 2015.02.28 16:13:10 - [3] - Quote Abrazzar wrote: I'd say you have to move systems. I have several char in different locations looking for ice. Their are so many players ice mining that all ice is gone withen 1 hour.
Zoe Athame Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 207	Posted - 2015.02.28 16:14:16 - [4] - Quote Blow up your competition.
Musashi IV Off-World Mining 43	Posted - 2015.02.28 16:18:04 - [5] - Quote Zoe Athame wrote: Blow up your competition. Ive found out combat is very expensive.
Belt Scout Thread Lockaholics Anonymous 743	Posted - 2015.02.28 16:21:46 - [6] - Quote Those old 100,000 unit ice belts have been gone for some time now. The new belts are 2500 units and they respawn 4 hours after being cleared. This was done so players in other time zones could get their share of ice. (I believe that's the reason anyway.) Myself, I shut downa large ISBoxer fleet to comply wit the new EULA changes and I'm not having any problems supporting my new, MUCH smaller, manual fleet. You just have a to work at it a little harder. . They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake. **This IS my main so STFU.
Laura Gosh Perkone Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.02.28 16:22:17 - [7] - Quote You do realise that the ice belts are not like the normal asteroid belts... they DO NOT respawn on downtime... They do infact respawn every 4 hours.... not in the same location, because an ice belt is an anomoly so it moves around in random places in the system PROTIP: when the last ice asteroid is depleted, make a note of the time when that block popped.. (for example 16:19 hours) 4 hours later (20:19 hours) -- the belt will be back, and then it be brand new Common problems after digesting this knowledge: I WANT TO MINE ICE 24/7 --> if you want to do that.. go to a system in nullsec that doesnt have many people and happily mine there.... OR.... kill the ice belt, and then shoot normal ORE asteroids until 4 hours later.. when the belt comes back OR.... you can loggout and do something else inrl or play another game.. or do whatever it is you wanna do, until the ice belt is back.. set an alarm on your phone or something It's really not that hard
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 23524	Posted - 2015.02.28 16:22:22 - [8] - Quote Unlike asteroids, ice belts reform in 4 hours. You want them to be permanent because you can't be bothered to diversify your source of income? Sounds like a great reason to me. Rush to danger, wind up nowhere Sabriz for CSM go go go
LUMINOUS SPIRIT The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 692	Posted - 2015.02.28 16:26:16 - [9] - Quote Musashi IV wrote: I used to have a 3 account ice mining corporation. It took many months and mil of isk to train 2 Mac and an Orca for ice mining. I could log in anytime during the day and mine my quota of ice. Now I cant even fill one mining ship let alone an Orca before the ice is depleted!! If I dont log on withen an hour of server startup I prob wont get any Ice for the day. Even if they triple the size of an ice field thier are so many ships the ice would be gone withen an hour. If I had the time I could check every hour for ice but like many players I do not have the time to play the game 24/7. Ive had to cancel 2 of my accounts because I cant make enouph isk to make them worth while. Many of you may think this sounds boring. If all I did was ice mine you would be correct. With the isk I make from ice mining I am able to do anything I wanted over the years. Now Im just about to close down my last account. CCP you need to bring back permanant ice fields or at least respawn an ice asteriod in a different location when one is depleted. move to a shattered wormhole, nomad style. move to null-sec, its so easy. just put up a POS, stront it, and mine dat ice. plenty of null-sec systems in NPC space with ice belts that are empty of all people. try sansha space, for example.
Laura Gosh Perkone Caldari State 2	Posted - 2015.02.28 16:27:26 - [10] - Quote LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote: Musashi IV wrote: I used to have a 3 account ice mining corporation. It took many months and mil of isk to train 2 Mac and an Orca for ice mining. I could log in anytime during the day and mine my quota of ice. Now I cant even fill one mining ship let alone an Orca before the ice is depleted!! If I dont log on withen an hour of server startup I prob wont get any Ice for the day. Even if they triple the size of an ice field thier are so many ships the ice would be gone withen an hour. If I had the time I could check every hour for ice but like many players I do not have the time to play the game 24/7. Ive had to cancel 2 of my accounts because I cant make enouph isk to make them worth while. Many of you may think this sounds boring. If all I did was ice mine you would be correct. With the isk I make from ice mining I am able to do anything I wanted over the years. Now Im just about to close down my last account. CCP you need to bring back permanant ice fields or at least respawn an ice asteriod in a different location when one is depleted. move to a shattered wormhole, nomad style. YES!!! those shattered WH's are (omg.. amazing) sadly we cant put up POS's there.. which of course makes logistical stuff a little difficult.. but its still fun as hell (especially hitting that really sexy dark glitter ice)

Musashi IV Off-World Mining 43	Posted - 2015.02.28 16:30:48 - [11] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: Unlike asteroids, ice belts reform in 4 hours. You want them to be permanent because you can't be bothered to diversify your source of income? Sounds like a great reason to me. If I could play EVE 24/7 I would not be complaining. I only have the time to play a few hours each day. Ive found out ice mining used to be the quickest way to make isk.
Belt Scout Thread Lockaholics Anonymous 744	Posted - 2015.02.28 16:31:21 - [12] - Quote Laura Gosh wrote: You do realise that the ice belts are not like the normal asteroid belts... they DO NOT respawn on downtime... Actually, as long as a belt is cleared prior to DT, it will respawn when the server comes back up. I've cleared them with only a few minutes to spare before DT, them came back after DT and cleared it out again. If the belt ISN'T cleared by DT, then it will still be there as it was when the server went down. . They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake. **This IS my main so STFU.
DaReaper Net 7 1816	Posted - 2015.02.28 16:38:44 - [13] - Quote yes move to a shattered hole, HUGE ice fields there OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Minmatar Citizen160812 The LGBT Last Supper 750	Posted - 2015.02.28 16:39:38 - [14] - Quote You don't need ice. You need a set of balls. There is plenty of ice in quiet parts of low sec. Of course, you can't do that if you're a brain dead miner so I guess that doesn't work?
Laura Gosh Perkone Caldari State 2	Posted - 2015.02.28 16:41:14 - [15] - Quote Musashi IV wrote: Sibyyl wrote: Unlike asteroids, ice belts reform in 4 hours. You want them to be permanent because you can't be bothered to diversify your source of income? Sounds like a great reason to me. If I could play EVE 24/7 I would not be complaining. I only have the time to play a few hours each day. Ive found out ice mining used to be the quickest way to make isk. In that case.. move to a system with ice (which i'm guessing you already have done) and PRIMARILY hit the normal ore belts for ISK... then.. if you see the icebelt on probe scanner.. GOGOGOGOG ICE RUSH (like everyone else does) Yes.. the ice will despawn very quickly because everyone wants to mine it.. (hence why its called an ice RUSH).. but the ore belts will remain there for you to mine after the belts are depleted If you want to make money to pay for your accounts.. continue your mining.. but also consider the following 1: highsec PI -- choose a planet close to a tradehub and buy the ingredients for coolant (water + electrolytes 40x each manufacturing job) import them to the planet of your choice and create coolant.. export the coolant and resell at tradehub for profit (protip -- only use planets with 15% or lower taxation.. you can find the tax details on the information panel of the customs office of each planet -- sidenote: these may change on occasion.. and also another sidenote: -- check out the trade skills for a skill called 'Custom Office Expertise' this will reduce your NPC tax (max of 10%) by 10% each level (level 5 in this skill = 5% NPC tax + whatever the corporation owner of the customs office put on it) 2: Datacore farming http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Datacore_Farming 3: Research and Development of BPO's Buy BPO's and make them PERFECT.. resell them for profit This takes some skil and knowledge about what BPO's will be profitable and what are not, but the more your research the better 4: Moon mining -- only possible to do in 0.4 (YES 0.4.. it used to be 0.3 but you can do it in 0.4 now.. CCP changed the moons in 0.4 space some updates ago) FYI -- I have 4 accounts (12 characters in total) each of them is trained up for highsec PI, mining, datacore farmining and development of BPO's.. If i remember right.. i currently have 72 planets making various things (this alone gives me an average of around 2-3 billion every 30 days) datacore mining gives me around 800-900 million every 30 days researching BPO's gives me around 4-5 billion every 30 days (sometimes more depending on the BPO's..) and this is on top of my normal mining --- if i can do it.. why not you?
Laura Gosh Perkone Caldari State 2	Posted - 2015.02.28 16:43:26 - [16] - Quote Belt Scout wrote: Laura Gosh wrote: You do realise that the ice belts are not like the normal asteroid belts... they DO NOT respawn on downtime... Actually, as long as a belt is cleared prior to DT, it will respawn when the server comes back up. I've cleared them with only a few minutes to spare before DT, them came back after DT and cleared it out again. If the belt ISN'T cleared by DT, then it will still be there as it was when the server went down. . very very true :p all sites will respawn perfectly if left with 1 roid left just before DT.. the same applies to combat sites as well i believe
Godfrey Silvarna Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light 341	Posted - 2015.02.28 17:14:51 - [17] - Quote doublepost. Whoops.
Godfrey Silvarna Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light 341	Posted - 2015.02.28 17:16:48 - [18] - Quote It's called competition. It is very good for the game. Eve needs more incentives to compete for scarce resources, not less. I wish mission runners would be put in the same spot as ice miners. It would spark conflicts and trigger creativity.
Laura Gosh Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.02.28 17:23:56 - [19] - Quote Godfrey Silvarna wrote: It's called competition. It is very good for the game. Eve needs more incentives to compete for scarce resources, not less. I wish mission runners would be put in the same spot as ice miners. It would spark conflicts and trigger creativity. I couldn't agree more More conflict is more fun, and more storyline and more history.. and of course... more opportunities for BIG fleet battles
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 20111	Posted - 2015.02.28 17:55:19 - [20] - Quote Highsec problems. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?* Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!

Varathius Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation 158	Posted - 2015.02.28 18:02:58 - [21] - Quote Musashi IV wrote: With the isk I make from ice mining I am able to do anything I wanted over the years. You must have done extremely little in eve then because that is surely not the most efficient way to make isk.
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 80	Posted - 2015.02.28 18:06:23 - [22] - Quote Musashi IV wrote: Zoe Athame wrote: Blow up your competition. Ive found out combat is very expensive. so what will you do about the isk you mined? Just Add Water
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6549	Posted - 2015.02.28 18:44:48 - [23] - Quote Varathius wrote: Musashi IV wrote: With the isk I make from ice mining I am able to do anything I wanted over the years. You must have done extremely little in eve then because that is surely not the most efficient way to make isk. Yeah, I'm sort of like what... I mined but then used the isk to do other things to get what I wanted. But then again maybe you only fly blingy hulks in highsec (safe!!) so I guess you don't need that much. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
flakeys Arkham Innovations 2698	Posted - 2015.02.28 18:50:58 - [24] - Quote Musashi IV wrote: Sibyyl wrote: Unlike asteroids, ice belts reform in 4 hours. You want them to be permanent because you can't be bothered to diversify your source of income? Sounds like a great reason to me. If I could play EVE 24/7 I would not be complaining. I only have the time to play a few hours each day. Ive found out ice mining used to be the quickest way to make isk. Completely false i'd say. Someone with just a tiny bit of brains should see that trading is the quickest way to make isk if you do not have a lot of time.Trust me , i've made close to 1 T over the last 4 years with trading and i would qualify myself as someone with at best a mediocre set of brains and i've got kids/family and a lot of workhours so it's not like i've spend 4 hours a day doing that. We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Glathull Warlock Assassins 962	Posted - 2015.02.28 18:59:17 - [25] - Quote This thread is its own satire. No need to mock it any further. I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon Shut up, Anslo. --everyone
Shiloh Templeton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 240	Posted - 2015.02.28 19:10:40 - [26] - Quote OP: If you're willing to move (possibly to a different region) you will be able to find ice fields that last longer. For example Everyshore Region has a great concentration of ice belts where it is easy to check nearby system for ice. Every ice belt will have a pattern where you can anticipate the normal spawn time by day of the week - you don't have to hang around all the time. Finally, have you considered regular mining? Ice Prices are down about 30% since the jump range change.
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 123	Posted - 2015.02.28 19:43:07 - [27] - Quote Musashi IV wrote: I used to have a 3 account ice mining corporation. It took many months and mil of isk to train 2 Mac and an Orca for ice mining. I could log in anytime during the day and mine my quota of ice. Now I cant even fill one mining ship let alone an Orca before the ice is depleted!! If I dont log on withen an hour of server startup I prob wont get any Ice for the day. Even if they triple the size of an ice field thier are so many ships the ice would be gone withen an hour. If I had the time I could check every hour for ice but like many players I do not have the time to play the game 24/7. Ive had to cancel 2 of my accounts because I cant make enouph isk to make them worth while. Many of you may think this sounds boring. If all I did was ice mine you would be correct. With the isk I make from ice mining I am able to do anything I wanted over the years. Now Im just about to close down my last account. CCP you need to bring back permanant ice fields or at least respawn an ice asteriod in a different location when one is depleted. SInce the last time industry stepped into some major Fozzie in Odyssey, ice mining has gone and got replaced with new mechanics called "ice camping". This means you gotta camp your ice for 4 hours to get your 20-30 icicles, then camp somewhere else. Consequently, it means nobody in hisec is getting any substantial amounts of ice anymore, and profitability of it has gone down the drain. Like I said when this change got implemented, well, Fozzie happens. Mining were also covered with Fozzie that patch, so it took 5 buffs to remove most of the Fozzie stains from it, some still remain, odds are the stench they gave is permanent. That said, regular mining recovered about 75% of potential it had before being Fozzified, even though things like hisec mining for hisec manufacturing will never recover, and the safety of mining has gone from "need a piece of brain and preparation to screw the miner" to "warp and press F1, you can do it even with goon IQ (or lack thereof)". Right now, L4s, even despite being nerfed belt-high into the ground, give better ISK/hour results than mining, but, unlike proper mining OP, they are incredibly boring, almost reaching the bottom-of-the-barrel boredom of ship pvp. I totally understand what you mean there, but unfortunately, if ice mining was all you fancied, CCP Fozzie has closed eve for you with Odyssey expansion. I suggest trying exploration, maybe it'll occupy you before something changes. PI - no, not profitable at all, since now every POCO on hisec is player-owned, you're just making the owners rich, getting nothing for yourself. Mining with Makinaws is too unsafe with the series of buffs to the easies thing in eve - suicide wanking. Blueprints research is too niche, datacore farming is quite a bother and requires some not very useful skills, but you may try those, since it doesn't require you to be online much. A popular myth of eve that station trading is profitable is false, but it may also occupy you for a few timespans per day. Try these, and wait for changes, and if waiting is becoming too bothersome, take a break, don't push yourself to like something you don't like. A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
Orlacc 818	Posted - 2015.02.28 20:14:21 - [28] - Quote TLDR I am afraid to mine ice in a WH. "Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 123	Posted - 2015.02.28 20:29:29 - [29] - Quote Orlacc wrote: TLDR I am afraid to mine ice in a WH. WH mining got Fozzified along with hisec mining and a good portion of a nullsec mining outside of blue donuts. A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3810	Posted - 2015.02.28 21:29:05 - [30] - Quote There is a solution to your woes... but frankly, with ice price going down, the last thing anybody needs are competitors. Nothing personal. BTW, some Amarran systems still have permanent, old fashioned ice belts. Demand and price are not the best but there you can mine at your heart's pleasure anytime, and for as long as you want. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar

Steppa Musana Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2015.02.28 21:35:03 - [31] - Quote I am mining ice right now. Full belt, untouched, no one in system but me, no one besides blues within 4 jumps. Leave highsec.
ashley Eoner 451	Posted - 2015.02.28 21:37:30 - [32] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: Musashi IV wrote: I used to have a 3 account ice mining corporation. It took many months and mil of isk to train 2 Mac and an Orca for ice mining. I could log in anytime during the day and mine my quota of ice. Now I cant even fill one mining ship let alone an Orca before the ice is depleted!! If I dont log on withen an hour of server startup I prob wont get any Ice for the day. Even if they triple the size of an ice field thier are so many ships the ice would be gone withen an hour. If I had the time I could check every hour for ice but like many players I do not have the time to play the game 24/7. Ive had to cancel 2 of my accounts because I cant make enouph isk to make them worth while. Many of you may think this sounds boring. If all I did was ice mine you would be correct. With the isk I make from ice mining I am able to do anything I wanted over the years. Now Im just about to close down my last account. CCP you need to bring back permanant ice fields or at least respawn an ice asteriod in a different location when one is depleted. SInce the last time industry stepped into some major Fozzie in Odyssey, ice mining has gone and got replaced with new mechanics called "ice camping". This means you gotta camp your ice for 4 hours to get your 20-30 icicles, then camp somewhere else. Consequently, it means nobody in hisec is getting any substantial amounts of ice anymore, and profitability of it has gone down the drain. Like I said when this change got implemented, well, Fozzie happens. Mining were also covered with Fozzie that patch, so it took 5 buffs to remove most of the Fozzie stains from it, some still remain, odds are the stench they gave is permanent. That said, regular mining recovered about 75% of potential it had before being Fozzified, even though things like hisec mining for hisec manufacturing will never recover, and the safety of mining has gone from "need a piece of brain and preparation to screw the miner" to "warp and press F1, you can do it even with goon IQ (or lack thereof)". Right now, L4s, even despite being nerfed belt-high into the ground, give better ISK/hour results than mining, but, unlike proper mining OP, they are incredibly boring, almost reaching the bottom-of-the-barrel boredom of ship pvp. I totally understand what you mean there, but unfortunately, if ice mining was all you fancied, CCP Fozzie has closed eve for you with Odyssey expansion. I suggest trying exploration, maybe it'll occupy you before something changes. PI - no, not profitable at all, since now every POCO on hisec is player-owned, you're just making the owners rich, getting nothing for yourself. Mining with Makinaws is too unsafe with the series of buffs to the easies thing in eve - suicide wanking. Blueprints research is too niche, datacore farming is quite a bother and requires some not very useful skills, but you may try those, since it doesn't require you to be online much. A popular myth of eve that station trading is profitable is false, but it may also occupy you for a few timespans per day. Try these, and wait for changes, and if waiting is becoming too bothersome, take a break, don't push yourself to like something you don't like. Ice prices are only as high as they are BECAUSE of the limited supply. That inflation of the price was murdered by the drop in demand thanks to the jump changes. Give the playerbase an infinite supply as before and you'll watch ice prices crash to levels that leave veldspar as more profitable. Sure you would be able to mine ice all day but you'd be lucky to clear 10m in a mackinaw with 10 hours of mining.
Glathull Warlock Assassins 967	Posted - 2015.02.28 21:41:20 - [33] - Quote Steppa Musana wrote: I am mining ice right now. Full belt, untouched, no one in system but me, no one besides blues within 4 jumps. Leave highsec. That's fascinating. What system are you in? I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon Shut up, Anslo. --everyone
Serene Repose 2314	Posted - 2015.02.28 22:12:09 - [34] - Quote "Any man can master a grief save he who has one." - Willie the Shake - Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
Pok Nibin Filial Pariahs 548	Posted - 2015.02.28 22:48:03 - [35] - Quote All I read was about the OP and his accounts. Was he the ice mining corporation that destructed? For a second it seemed this affected a bunch of players. Unless multiple accounts...where's my waders? Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to.
Ptraci 3 R Corporation The Irukandji. 1921	Posted - 2015.02.28 22:54:56 - [36] - Quote Musashi IV wrote: I used to have a 3 account ice mining corporation. It took many months and mil of isk to train 2 Mac and an Orca for ice mining. I could log in anytime during the day and mine my quota of ice. Now I cant even fill one mining ship let alone an Orca before the ice is depleted!! If I dont log on withen an hour of server startup I prob wont get any Ice for the day. Even if they triple the size of an ice field thier are so many ships the ice would be gone withen an hour. If I had the time I could check every hour for ice but like many players I do not have the time to play the game 24/7. Ive had to cancel 2 of my accounts because I cant make enouph isk to make them worth while. Many of you may think this sounds boring. If all I did was ice mine you would be correct. With the isk I make from ice mining I am able to do anything I wanted over the years. Now Im just about to close down my last account. CCP you need to bring back permanant ice fields or at least respawn an ice asteriod in a different location when one is depleted. So jump into a catalyst and go pop some mining ships!
Bagatur I School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 50	Posted - 2015.02.28 23:59:41 - [37] - Quote Musashi IV wrote: Abrazzar wrote: I'd say you have to move systems. I have several char in different locations looking for ice. Their are so many players ice mining that all ice is gone withen 1 hour. the place I mine in occasionally have anywhere from 15 to 20 in ice belts with full mining boosts. it takes over 2 hours to deplete the belt. so yeah, you are full of it.
Michael Ruckert Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando 282	Posted - 2015.03.01 02:06:18 - [38] - Quote Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote: You don't need ice. You need a set of balls. There is plenty of ice in quiet parts of low sec. Of course, you can't do that if you're a brain dead miner so I guess that doesn't work? This. I know a low sec 0.4 system adjacent to two 0.5 systems that has an ice belt that I've never seen mined when I'm online. And there is rarely anyone in system. Stop the whining. "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 1937	Posted - 2015.03.01 05:39:05 - [39] - Quote Steppa Musana wrote: I am mining ice right now. Full belt, untouched, no one in system but me, no one besides blues within 4 jumps. Leave highsec. Don't even have to leave highsec, I see untouched Ice Belts in high sec even. Though obviously not with only blues (since highsec is the hole in the blue doughnut). But that 'only blues' will change anyway when Sov gets sorted properly. However that's beside the point, you can get untouched Ice in highsec. And 2500 Units takes a while.
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 124	Posted - 2015.03.01 06:43:47 - [40] - Quote Bagatur I wrote: Musashi IV wrote: Abrazzar wrote: I'd say you have to move systems. I have several char in different locations looking for ice. Their are so many players ice mining that all ice is gone withen 1 hour. the place I mine in occasionally have anywhere from 15 to 20 in ice belts with full mining boosts. it takes over 2 hours to deplete the belt. so yeah, you are full of it. Nevyn Auscent wrote: Steppa Musana wrote: I am mining ice right now. Full belt, untouched, no one in system but me, no one besides blues within 4 jumps. Leave highsec. Don't even have to leave highsec, I see untouched Ice Belts in high sec even. Though obviously not with only blues (since highsec is the hole in the blue doughnut). But that 'only blues' will change anyway when Sov gets sorted properly. However that's beside the point, you can get untouched Ice in highsec. And 2500 Units takes a while. 2500 units are like 20 miner-hours at most, even in Procurers (assuming proper boosts). 15 if you're using yield fits, but it's currently kind of blue-donut-only strategy. 20 people should get it done real quick, and fill like 1 Orca and their barges for each party. Which is, with current prices, about 15-18 million ISK per account per hour. Meeeeeeeeeeeh. People camp ice when they need ice, mining ice for profit is dead and gone. A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.

Nasar Vyron S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS. 4	Posted - 2015.03.01 06:58:35 - [41] - Quote Basically what you have here is a misinterpretation of the underlying problem: Too many players in high sec. They hide there with the excuse of not liking pvp, null sec being too scary, the big coalitions will destroy them, their friends are in high sec - the list goes on - just to avoid moving out to WH space or null as would be natural progression for any player in the past. But who can blame them, once the fighter nerf goes through, due to the decrease in value of deadspace mods (thank you Rhea) you can literally make more money in high sec incursions than most null activities. But thanksfully WH space still makes more (thank god, more risk deserves more reward) The problem we have here is CCP failing us in giving their players a reason to leave high security space. Simple enough. PS - don't complain about your baby ice belts in empire space, grow a pair and move to null. You don't have to be a master of all doctrine ships to contribute and be accepted into a null alliance, bring your friends!
Sisohiv Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 283	Posted - 2015.03.01 07:41:08 - [42] - Quote Mine Scordite, Plag, even Veld, OP. 15 mill an hr in a Skiff, mining Scordite is what I average. Even if you had unlimited Ice you wouldn't make that.
Serene Repose 2318	Posted - 2015.03.01 10:45:05 - [43] - Quote Ptraci wrote: Musashi IV wrote: I used to have a 3 account ice mining corporation. It took many months and mil of isk to train 2 Mac and an Orca for ice mining. I could log in anytime during the day and mine my quota of ice. Now I cant even fill one mining ship let alone an Orca before the ice is depleted!! If I dont log on withen an hour of server startup I prob wont get any Ice for the day. Even if they triple the size of an ice field thier are so many ships the ice would be gone withen an hour. If I had the time I could check every hour for ice but like many players I do not have the time to play the game 24/7. Ive had to cancel 2 of my accounts because I cant make enouph isk to make them worth while. Many of you may think this sounds boring. If all I did was ice mine you would be correct. With the isk I make from ice mining I am able to do anything I wanted over the years. Now Im just about to close down my last account. CCP you need to bring back permanant ice fields or at least respawn an ice asteriod in a different location when one is depleted. So jump into a catalyst and go pop some mining ships! Yeah! Simple pleasures for simple minds! Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 124	Posted - 2015.03.01 11:26:20 - [44] - Quote Nasar Vyron wrote: Basically what you have here is a misinterpretation of the underlying problem: Too many players in high sec. They hide there with the excuse of not liking pvp, null sec being too scary, the big coalitions will destroy them, their friends are in high sec - the list goes on - just to avoid moving out to WH space or null as would be natural progression for any player in the past. I've been living in Providence long enough to assure you ice camping there is even worse. At least you don't get rorqualdrops and insta-20-hulks on your ice in hisec. What would you say next, too many people in Providence is the problem? Nasar Vyron wrote: But who can blame them, once the fighter nerf goes through, due to the decrease in value of deadspace mods (thank you Rhea) you can literally make more money in high sec incursions than most null activities. But thanksfully WH space still makes more (thank god, more risk deserves more reward) The problem we have here is CCP failing us in giving their players a reason to leave high security space. Simple enough. Of course, the old stupid argument that every hisec player instantly jumps into incursions to get spacerich. Because concord LP are not devaluable, and payouts per face almost reach a bounty tick of ratting Afktar. Not to mention extremely low availability and extremely high screwability of incursion running. At least you don't cry about L4 like goonies, then again, L4 were already screwed, mining were screwed, and trading is getting screwed by series of suicide wanking buffs and industrial nerfs, and POCOs screwed hisec PI. Odyssey also screwed hisec exploration, and since half hisec escalations lead to lowsec and forbidden for T3s, hisec complex running is also dulled. Right now, I must say hisec is in shape so bad that goonies who cried about it in fear must be happy now. There is nothing you can do in there to avoid getting broke. Nasar Vyron wrote: PS - don't complain about your baby ice belts in empire space, grow a pair and move to null. You don't have to be a master of all doctrine ships to contribute and be accepted into a null alliance, bring your friends! You have to wag your tail and be obedient pet to be accepted, this has always been the truth. A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 854	Posted - 2015.03.01 12:13:52 - [45] - Quote Musashi IV wrote: If I could play EVE 24/7 I would not be complaining. I only have the time to play a few hours each day. Ive found out ice mining used to be the quickest way to make isk. So you use your very limited free time to play the most boring minigame in all of gaming? the Code ALWAYS wins
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 124	Posted - 2015.03.01 12:14:57 - [46] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Musashi IV wrote: If I could play EVE 24/7 I would not be complaining. I only have the time to play a few hours each day. Ive found out ice mining used to be the quickest way to make isk. So you use your very limited free time to play the most boring minigame in all of gaming? You mean combat pvp? A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
Moonlit Raid State War Academy Caldari State 236	Posted - 2015.03.01 14:07:51 - [47] - Quote Please post more success stories of CCP bringing down the appeal of botting. If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.
Damjan Fox Fox Industries and Exploration 109	Posted - 2015.03.01 14:47:08 - [48] - Quote @OP Find yourself a more quiet system with less competition. Highsec islands tend to have far less people around. Use courier contracts (e.g. RedFrog) to get your equipment out there, if you are afraid, to haul it on your own. Your Orca is giving you a higher boost on ore mining, than on ice mining. I don't know the exact numbers right now, but fully skilled i think it was around 48% max boost for ice and 70% for ore. This and the price drop of ice would make it equally, if not even more profitable, to mine ore instead of ice. Ore asteroids are a lot smaller in size of course, so you'd have to switch targets more often, which is more work, than ice mining. But, on the other hand, you don't have to wait 4 hours for ore to spawn. (And, of course, there is always the option to go to Low / Null.)
Wraith Soulsark Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi 0	Posted - 2015.03.01 15:07:10 - [49] - Quote Laura Gosh wrote: Musashi IV wrote: Sibyyl wrote: Unlike asteroids, ice belts reform in 4 hours. You want them to be permanent because you can't be bothered to diversify your source of income? Sounds like a great reason to me. If I could play EVE 24/7 I would not be complaining. I only have the time to play a few hours each day. Ive found out ice mining used to be the quickest way to make isk. In that case.. move to a system with ice (which i'm guessing you already have done) and PRIMARILY hit the normal ore belts for ISK... then.. if you see the icebelt on probe scanner.. GOGOGOGOG ICE RUSH (like everyone else does) Yes.. the ice will despawn very quickly because everyone wants to mine it.. (hence why its called an ice RUSH).. but the ore belts will remain there for you to mine after the belts are depleted If you want to make money to pay for your accounts.. continue your mining.. but also consider the following 1: highsec PI -- choose a planet close to a tradehub and buy the ingredients for coolant (water + electrolytes 40x each manufacturing job) import them to the planet of your choice and create coolant.. export the coolant and resell at tradehub for profit (protip -- only use planets with 15% or lower taxation.. you can find the tax details on the information panel of the customs office of each planet -- sidenote: these may change on occasion.. and also another sidenote: -- check out the trade skills for a skill called 'Custom Office Expertise' this will reduce your NPC tax (max of 10%) by 10% each level (level 5 in this skill = 5% NPC tax + whatever the corporation owner of the customs office put on it) 2: Datacore farming http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Datacore_Farming 3: Research and Development of BPO's Buy BPO's and make them PERFECT.. resell them for profit This takes some skil and knowledge about what BPO's will be profitable and what are not, but the more your research the better 4: Moon mining -- only possible to do in 0.4 (YES 0.4.. it used to be 0.3 but you can do it in 0.4 now.. CCP changed the moons in 0.4 space some updates ago) FYI -- I have 4 accounts (12 characters in total) each of them is trained up for highsec PI, mining, datacore farmining and development of BPO's.. If i remember right.. i currently have 72 planets making various things (this alone gives me an average of around 2-3 billion every 30 days) datacore mining gives me around 800-900 million every 30 days researching BPO's gives me around 4-5 billion every 30 days (sometimes more depending on the BPO's..) and this is on top of my normal mining --- if i can do it.. why not you? Unlike the normal herpa derp move to low sec move to null wh blah blah blah this was a very informative detailed and helpful post well done and thank you
Laura Gosh Perkone Caldari State 7	Posted - 2015.03.01 15:18:33 - [50] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: There is a solution to your woes... but frankly, with ice price going down, the last thing anybody needs are competitors. Nothing personal. BTW, some Amarran systems still have permanent, old fashioned ice belts. Demand and price are not the best but there you can mine at your heart's pleasure anytime, and for as long as you want. Wait.... there are still permanent ice belts out there? That's news to me -- care to fill me in on the details, what systems etc? just out of curiosity Thanks o/

Laura Gosh Perkone Caldari State 7	Posted - 2015.03.01 15:23:09 - [51] - Quote Wraith Soulsark wrote: Unlike the normal herpa derp move to low sec move to null wh blah blah blah this was a very informative detailed and helpful post well done and thank you You're welcome
Killian Trystan Unity Ventures 3	Posted - 2015.03.01 20:27:28 - [52] - Quote Shiloh Templeton wrote: OP: If you're willing to move (possibly to a different region) you will be able to find ice fields that last longer. For example Everyshore Region has a great concentration of ice belts where it is easy to check nearby system for ice. Every ice belt will have a pattern where you can anticipate the normal spawn time by day of the week - you don't have to hang around all the time. I live in Everyshore, and it's full of bots that CCP doesn't give a damn about. To the point that there's at least 10 multiboxing fleets (probably more) that go out, every single day, and go through every single ice belt in the five systems in the upper-left corner of the Everyshore region... In maybe a few hours? No solo players get a chance. Sucks when I don't have the reprocessing skills (or standings) to make lots of ISK from ore, whereas just selling plain blue ice makes a lot more. And yes, I've tried reporting the bots, multiple times. Every time I see the bot fleets, I report each and every one of them. Even sent in a ticket to CCP, sent in a list of names and why they hadn't been banned because of their obvious ISBoxer/Macro botting. "Oh sorry, you should just report them as bots with the report as bot feature" closes ticket So yeah.. CCP doesn't give a damn about botting.
Abrazzar Vardaugas Family 6107	Posted - 2015.03.01 20:27:43 - [53] - Quote Out of curiosity: How much bounty do you need to put on a, say, retriever pilot, to make it profitable to gank? How much for a Skiff? An Orca? A freighter? Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics
Yogsoloth Percussive Diplomacy 173	Posted - 2015.03.01 20:38:16 - [54] - Quote Musashi IV wrote: I used to have a 3 account ice mining corporation. It took many months and mil of isk to train 2 Mac and an Orca for ice mining. I could log in anytime during the day and mine my quota of ice. Now I cant even fill one mining ship let alone an Orca before the ice is depleted!! If I dont log on withen an hour of server startup I prob wont get any Ice for the day. Even if they triple the size of an ice field thier are so many ships the ice would be gone withen an hour. If I had the time I could check every hour for ice but like many players I do not have the time to play the game 24/7. Ive had to cancel 2 of my accounts because I cant make enouph isk to make them worth while. Many of you may think this sounds boring. If all I did was ice mine you would be correct. With the isk I make from ice mining I am able to do anything I wanted over the years. Now Im just about to close down my last account. CCP you need to bring back permanant ice fields or at least respawn an ice asteriod in a different location when one is depleted. If your mining for isk to plex your accounts, you're not really a paying subscriber and as such you aren't a priority for CCP, more of an after thought really. As you've stated someone else is always available to mine those belts and keep the market fed. Branch out, expand your horizons and look for a new more lucrative, efficient, and perhaps more entertaining way to plex your account(s) imho.
Nathan Semah N-C-i-S 3	Posted - 2015.03.01 20:42:33 - [55] - Quote Killian Trystan wrote: Shiloh Templeton wrote: OP: If you're willing to move (possibly to a different region) you will be able to find ice fields that last longer. For example Everyshore Region has a great concentration of ice belts where it is easy to check nearby system for ice. Every ice belt will have a pattern where you can anticipate the normal spawn time by day of the week - you don't have to hang around all the time. I live in Everyshore, and it's full of bots that CCP doesn't give a damn about. To the point that there's at least 10 multiboxing fleets (probably more) that go out, every single day, and go through every single ice belt in the five systems in the upper-left corner of the Everyshore region... In maybe a few hours? No solo players get a chance. Sucks when I don't have the reprocessing skills (or standings) to make lots of ISK from ore, whereas just selling plain blue ice makes a lot more. And yes, I've tried reporting the bots, multiple times. Every time I see the bot fleets, I report each and every one of them. Even sent in a ticket to CCP, sent in a list of names and why they hadn't been banned because of their obvious ISBoxer/Macro botting. "Oh sorry, you should just report them as bots with the report as bot feature" closes ticket So yeah.. CCP doesn't give a damn about botting. Multiboxing isn't botting try not to confuse the two. Multiboxing if perfectly legal within the rules laid down by CCP (subject to change), Botting however is not.
Killian Trystan Unity Ventures 3	Posted - 2015.03.01 20:48:54 - [56] - Quote Nathan Semah wrote: Killian Trystan wrote: Shiloh Templeton wrote: OP: If you're willing to move (possibly to a different region) you will be able to find ice fields that last longer. For example Everyshore Region has a great concentration of ice belts where it is easy to check nearby system for ice. Every ice belt will have a pattern where you can anticipate the normal spawn time by day of the week - you don't have to hang around all the time. I live in Everyshore, and it's full of bots that CCP doesn't give a damn about. To the point that there's at least 10 multiboxing fleets (probably more) that go out, every single day, and go through every single ice belt in the five systems in the upper-left corner of the Everyshore region... In maybe a few hours? No solo players get a chance. Sucks when I don't have the reprocessing skills (or standings) to make lots of ISK from ore, whereas just selling plain blue ice makes a lot more. And yes, I've tried reporting the bots, multiple times. Every time I see the bot fleets, I report each and every one of them. Even sent in a ticket to CCP, sent in a list of names and why they hadn't been banned because of their obvious ISBoxer/Macro botting. "Oh sorry, you should just report them as bots with the report as bot feature" closes ticket So yeah.. CCP doesn't give a damn about botting. Multiboxing isn't botting try not to confuse the two. Multiboxing if perfectly legal within the rules laid down by CCP (subject to change), Botting however is not. So someone using a Macro program isn't botting? /raises-eyebrow Because according to a ticket I sent to CCP, what they're doing is botting.
Nathan Semah N-C-i-S 3	Posted - 2015.03.01 20:53:28 - [57] - Quote Killian Trystan wrote: Nathan Semah wrote: Killian Trystan wrote: Shiloh Templeton wrote: OP: If you're willing to move (possibly to a different region) you will be able to find ice fields that last longer. For example Everyshore Region has a great concentration of ice belts where it is easy to check nearby system for ice. Every ice belt will have a pattern where you can anticipate the normal spawn time by day of the week - you don't have to hang around all the time. I live in Everyshore, and it's full of bots that CCP doesn't give a damn about. To the point that there's at least 10 multiboxing fleets (probably more) that go out, every single day, and go through every single ice belt in the five systems in the upper-left corner of the Everyshore region... In maybe a few hours? No solo players get a chance. Sucks when I don't have the reprocessing skills (or standings) to make lots of ISK from ore, whereas just selling plain blue ice makes a lot more. And yes, I've tried reporting the bots, multiple times. Every time I see the bot fleets, I report each and every one of them. Even sent in a ticket to CCP, sent in a list of names and why they hadn't been banned because of their obvious ISBoxer/Macro botting. "Oh sorry, you should just report them as bots with the report as bot feature" closes ticket So yeah.. CCP doesn't give a damn about botting. Multiboxing isn't botting try not to confuse the two. Multiboxing if perfectly legal within the rules laid down by CCP (subject to change), Botting however is not. So someone using a Macro program isn't botting? /raises-eyebrow Because according to a ticket I sent to CCP, what they're doing is botting. That's not what I said, I said multiboxing is not botting try not to confuse the two. Yes if you believe these people are botting then by all means keep reporting them. if however it turns out this person(s) are multiboxing with in the rules then they are perfectly entitled to continue what they are doing
Killian Trystan Unity Ventures 3	Posted - 2015.03.01 20:55:39 - [58] - Quote Nathan Semah wrote: Killian Trystan wrote: Nathan Semah wrote: Killian Trystan wrote: Shiloh Templeton wrote: OP: If you're willing to move (possibly to a different region) you will be able to find ice fields that last longer. For example Everyshore Region has a great concentration of ice belts where it is easy to check nearby system for ice. Every ice belt will have a pattern where you can anticipate the normal spawn time by day of the week - you don't have to hang around all the time. I live in Everyshore, and it's full of bots that CCP doesn't give a damn about. To the point that there's at least 10 multiboxing fleets (probably more) that go out, every single day, and go through every single ice belt in the five systems in the upper-left corner of the Everyshore region... In maybe a few hours? No solo players get a chance. Sucks when I don't have the reprocessing skills (or standings) to make lots of ISK from ore, whereas just selling plain blue ice makes a lot more. And yes, I've tried reporting the bots, multiple times. Every time I see the bot fleets, I report each and every one of them. Even sent in a ticket to CCP, sent in a list of names and why they hadn't been banned because of their obvious ISBoxer/Macro botting. "Oh sorry, you should just report them as bots with the report as bot feature" closes ticket So yeah.. CCP doesn't give a damn about botting. Multiboxing isn't botting try not to confuse the two. Multiboxing if perfectly legal within the rules laid down by CCP (subject to change), Botting however is not. So someone using a Macro program isn't botting? /raises-eyebrow Because according to a ticket I sent to CCP, what they're doing is botting. That's not what I said, I said multiboxing is not botting try not to confuse the two. Yes if you believe these people are botting then by all means keep reporting them. if however it turns out this person(s) are multiboxing with in the rules then they are perfectly entitled to continue what they are doing I would wonder how a multiboxer would be within the rules if the entire fleet's mining lasers all start at the exact same time, on the same ice asteroid...
Nathan Semah N-C-i-S 3	Posted - 2015.03.01 21:00:10 - [59] - Quote Killian Trystan wrote: I would wonder how a multiboxer would be within the rules if the entire fleet's mining lasers all start at the exact same time, on the same ice asteroid... Hence the reason if you believe they are doing something wrong then report them. Just don't automaticly assume because they are multiboxing that they are botting/cheating.
Killian Trystan Unity Ventures 3	Posted - 2015.03.01 21:04:47 - [60] - Quote Nathan Semah wrote: Killian Trystan wrote: I would wonder how a multiboxer would be within the rules if the entire fleet's mining lasers all start at the exact same time, on the same ice asteroid... Hence the reason if you believe they are doing something wrong then report them. Just don't automaticly assume because they are multiboxing that they are botting/cheating. I know that there's a difference. It's just that the majority of these fleets are obviously bots when they all start actions at the exact same time. And I'm not meaning fleet warping, as in start lasers at the same time, moving through the ice belt at the same time, all ejecting their cans at precisely the same moment etc.

Ptraci 3 R Corporation The Irukandji. 1921	Posted - 2015.03.01 21:22:01 - [61] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: Ptraci wrote: So jump into a catalyst and go pop some mining ships! Yeah! Simple pleasures for simple minds! Well to be honest this would actually do something about the problem, compared to whining about it in GD which does nothing about it.
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3813	Posted - 2015.03.01 21:26:26 - [62] - Quote Laura Gosh wrote: Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: There is a solution to your woes... but frankly, with ice price going down, the last thing anybody needs are competitors. Nothing personal. BTW, some Amarran systems still have permanent, old fashioned ice belts. Demand and price are not the best but there you can mine at your heart's pleasure anytime, and for as long as you want. Wait.... there are still permanent ice belts out there? That's news to me -- care to fill me in on the details, what systems etc? just out of curiosity Thanks o/ Frankly, I don't know which they are. It was detailed on the devblog about the changes to ice mining and as far as I know they still work in the same way. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
BrundleMeth Caldari Provisions Caldari State 382	Posted - 2015.03.01 23:38:54 - [63] - Quote Things change.....EVERYTHING changes....... Adapt or quit....
Chopper Rollins Lantean Empire 1051	Posted - 2015.03.02 02:26:30 - [64] - Quote I noticed a null system with TWO ice belts in it the other day. A really quiet system too, just off a pipe. Get out of hisec. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
masternerdguy Inner Shadow Did he say Jump 1797	Posted - 2015.03.02 03:01:22 - [65] - Quote You're kidding right? They respawn every 4 hours! You just need to move to the new one Things are only impossible until they are not.
Laura Gosh Perkone Caldari State 9	Posted - 2015.03.02 03:17:40 - [66] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Laura Gosh wrote: Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: There is a solution to your woes... but frankly, with ice price going down, the last thing anybody needs are competitors. Nothing personal. BTW, some Amarran systems still have permanent, old fashioned ice belts. Demand and price are not the best but there you can mine at your heart's pleasure anytime, and for as long as you want. Wait.... there are still permanent ice belts out there? That's news to me -- care to fill me in on the details, what systems etc? just out of curiosity Thanks o/ Frankly, I don't know which they are. It was detailed on the devblog about the changes to ice mining and as far as I know they still work in the same way. Thanks for the help found the blog from odyssey http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/resource-shakeup-blog/#ICE 'With the exception of some systems in the territories of the Amarr Empire, Khanid Kingdom, and Ammatar Mandate, all systems that currently contain ice belts will have at least one instance of these new Ice Anomalies. Some systems, mostly those that currently contain two or three ice belts, will contain multiple instances of the Ice Anomalies. A full list of Amarrian highsec systems that will contain these new anomalies can be found in our companion blog, so that players can determine if their home will still have ice after the patch.' I think this basically says that SOME systems around the amarr area will have their ice removed permanently, but not all systems Nevermind but thank you for helping I was all excited for a second that some of the old ice belts still existed
Badel Jramodarr 12380	Posted - 2015.03.02 03:18:03 - [67] - Quote Musashi IV wrote: Ive found out ice mining used to be the quickest way to make isk. Time for more research. Your information is incorrect and out of date. You aren't even aware of how ice anomalies work. I don't always have a signature; but when I do, it doesn't say anything at all ...I'm on a horse
Legion Masser Masser Prime Corp 0	Posted - 2015.03.02 08:32:27 - [68] - Quote OP - Ice competitors are fierce - I used to know a guy SAY MY NAME
Moonlit Raid State War Academy Caldari State 237	Posted - 2015.03.02 15:33:20 - [69] - Quote Heisenberg. If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.
Caleb Seremshur The Atomic Fallout Kids 503	Posted - 2015.03.02 16:23:42 - [70] - Quote Laura Gosh wrote: Musashi IV wrote: Sibyyl wrote: Unlike asteroids, ice belts reform in 4 hours. You want them to be permanent because you can't be bothered to diversify your source of income? Sounds like a great reason to me. If I could play EVE 24/7 I would not be complaining. I only have the time to play a few hours each day. Ive found out ice mining used to be the quickest way to make isk. In that case.. move to a system with ice (which i'm guessing you already have done) and PRIMARILY hit the normal ore belts for ISK... then.. if you see the icebelt on probe scanner.. GOGOGOGOG ICE RUSH (like everyone else does) Yes.. the ice will despawn very quickly because everyone wants to mine it.. (hence why its called an ice RUSH).. but the ore belts will remain there for you to mine after the belts are depleted If you want to make money to pay for your accounts.. continue your mining.. but also consider the following 1: highsec PI -- choose a planet close to a tradehub and buy the ingredients for coolant (water + electrolytes 40x each manufacturing job) import them to the planet of your choice and create coolant.. export the coolant and resell at tradehub for profit (protip -- only use planets with 15% or lower taxation.. you can find the tax details on the information panel of the customs office of each planet -- sidenote: these may change on occasion.. and also another sidenote: -- check out the trade skills for a skill called 'Custom Office Expertise' this will reduce your NPC tax (max of 10%) by 10% each level (level 5 in this skill = 5% NPC tax + whatever the corporation owner of the customs office put on it) 2: Datacore farming http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Datacore_Farming 3: Research and Development of BPO's Buy BPO's and make them PERFECT.. resell them for profit This takes some skil and knowledge about what BPO's will be profitable and what are not, but the more your research the better 4: Moon mining -- only possible to do in 0.4 (YES 0.4.. it used to be 0.3 but you can do it in 0.4 now.. CCP changed the moons in 0.4 space some updates ago) FYI -- I have 4 accounts (12 characters in total) each of them is trained up for highsec PI, mining, datacore farmining and development of BPO's.. If i remember right.. i currently have 72 planets making various things (this alone gives me an average of around 2-3 billion every 30 days) datacore mining gives me around 800-900 million every 30 days researching BPO's gives me around 4-5 billion every 30 days (sometimes more depending on the BPO's..) and this is on top of my normal mining --- if i can do it.. why not you? Annnd this ladies and gentlemen is precisely why having alts in a game like this is bad. Just look at this fine example of bloat here and marinate in the implications. Faction warfare pilot and solo/small gang PVP advocate

Seven Koskanaiken Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 1416	Posted - 2015.03.02 16:32:09 - [71] - Quote I hear you can rent systems in 0.0 now.
Agatir Solenth Servants of the Throne Worlds 40	Posted - 2015.03.02 16:49:25 - [72] - Quote Since you have a good foundation of skills, might I suggest that you change the type of rock you mine? You might be surprised what kind of revenue that will open up.
ashley Eoner 453	Posted - 2015.03.02 18:45:33 - [73] - Quote Killian Trystan wrote: Shiloh Templeton wrote: OP: If you're willing to move (possibly to a different region) you will be able to find ice fields that last longer. For example Everyshore Region has a great concentration of ice belts where it is easy to check nearby system for ice. Every ice belt will have a pattern where you can anticipate the normal spawn time by day of the week - you don't have to hang around all the time. I live in Everyshore, and it's full of bots that CCP doesn't give a damn about. To the point that there's at least 10 multiboxing fleets (probably more) that go out, every single day, and go through every single ice belt in the five systems in the upper-left corner of the Everyshore region... In maybe a few hours? No solo players get a chance. Sucks when I don't have the reprocessing skills (or standings) to make lots of ISK from ore, whereas just selling plain blue ice makes a lot more. And yes, I've tried reporting the bots, multiple times. Every time I see the bot fleets, I report each and every one of them. Even sent in a ticket to CCP, sent in a list of names and why they hadn't been banned because of their obvious ISBoxer/Macro botting. "Oh sorry, you should just report them as bots with the report as bot feature" closes ticket So yeah.. CCP doesn't give a damn about botting. You are confusing simple windowed mode eve multiboxing with botting. Multiboxing isn't illegal and doesn't require macros or isboxer. More than likely none of the people you even reported use a program for window management. Killian Trystan wrote: I would wonder how a multiboxer would be within the rules if the entire fleet's mining lasers all start at the exact same time, on the same ice asteroid... That's moronic on their part for hitting the same roid. I can control 12 miners with an orca and a freighter with no issue just using eve in windowed mode. I could also do it so fast that most of the lasers turn on at the same time from your perspective due to the long server ticks in this game. Yogsoloth wrote: If your mining for isk to plex your accounts, you're not really a paying subscriber and as such you aren't a priority for CCP, more of an after thought really. As you've stated someone else is always available to mine those belts and keep the market fed. Branch out, expand your horizons and look for a new more lucrative, efficient, and perhaps more entertaining way to plex your account(s) imho. Except that plex probably had to be bought with real money and more then likely cost more then what an actual subscription cost.
Zekora Rally Negative Density 11	Posted - 2015.03.03 10:55:47 - [74] - Quote The hilarious part about this thread are those telling the OP to move to lowsec or whs to mine ice. You might as well just warp-in then self destruct, why would you want to mine anything in a wh especially shattered systems which have at least 4 incoming holes at any given time?
Alexei Stryker Steiners Erben 59	Posted - 2015.03.03 11:08:26 - [75] - Quote Zekora Rally wrote: The hilarious part about this thread are those telling the OP to move to lowsec or whs to mine ice. You might as well just warp-in then self destruct, why would you want to mine anything in a wh especially shattered systems which have at least 4 incoming holes at any given time? Because people need some miners to shoot? Walking in station
Anthar Thebess 942	Posted - 2015.03.03 11:11:27 - [76] - Quote Go to lowsec / nullsec they have plenty of ice. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Artemis Ellery Sazas Full Spectrum Inc Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 25	Posted - 2015.03.03 11:16:13 - [77] - Quote I would recommend contracting all your assets over to me so they can be put to immediate and proper use.
Musashi IV Off-World Mining 43	Posted - 2015.03.03 11:29:02 - [78] - Quote Belt Scout wrote: Those old 100,000 unit ice belts have been gone for some time now. The new belts are 2500 units and they respawn 4 hours after being cleared. This was done so players in other time zones could get their share of ice. (I believe that's the reason anyway.) Myself, I shut downa large ISBoxer fleet to comply wit the new EULA changes and I'm not having any problems supporting my new, MUCH smaller, manual fleet. You just have a to work at it a little harder. . Why should I have to shut down my fleet . All those hours of training and millions of isk are wasted!!! What CCP did was wrong!!
Moonlit Raid State War Academy Caldari State 239	Posted - 2015.03.03 11:51:04 - [79] - Quote Musashi IV wrote: Belt Scout wrote: Those old 100,000 unit ice belts have been gone for some time now. The new belts are 2500 units and they respawn 4 hours after being cleared. This was done so players in other time zones could get their share of ice. (I believe that's the reason anyway.) Myself, I shut downa large ISBoxer fleet to comply wit the new EULA changes and I'm not having any problems supporting my new, MUCH smaller, manual fleet. You just have a to work at it a little harder. . Why should I have to shut down my fleet . All those hours of training and millions of isk are wasted!!! What CCP did was wrong!! Can't tell if bait. If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.
Lennox Dantes The Scope Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2015.03.03 13:37:47 - [80] - Quote So, you can sit in wide open space, in a defenseless ship (multiple defensive ships), and engage in an activity that makes you ISK. Then you safely fly through space, passing through multiple gates where no one can interact with you and safely dock a market and process and sell your items (or whatever you do) in complete safety. This is on the back of a huge mining update years ago which gave you a magical ore bay to reduce your need to jettison anything... NOW, you want unlimited resources to mine! The saddest thing is that CCP listens to people like you. They continually vandalize their game to make it more like everything else on the market to accommodate people like you. They have been doing it for years. Yet, 1.5 years ago I would log in to a server of 40k people. Now, it's 20k. Do you think this is because CCP needs to keep buttering the stretch - marked thighs of carebears? Or is it because this game is straying so far from its roots that people are just over it. I know way too many high sec industrialists that solo play (because they don't need a group anymore) and quit after a few months. With Star Citizen coming out Eve will no longer be the Space Sim King. If you have seen their mining system and their entirely carebear oriented game, Eve will find themselves being the worse version of the same thing. IMO, CCPS need to revert to the harshness it had when I started out to differentiate itself and remain the niche titan it was in the past. Because, let's face it, this game is just a glorified theme park out in High Sec now.

Drez Arthie Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2015.03.03 15:48:02 - [81] - Quote Lennox Dantes wrote: The saddest thing is that CCP listens to people like you. They continually vandalize their game to make it more like everything else on the market to accommodate people like you. They have been doing it for years. Yet, 1.5 years ago I would log in to a server of 40k people. Now, it's 20k. Do you think this is because CCP needs to keep buttering the stretch - marked thighs of carebears? Or is it because this game is straying so far from its roots that people are just over it It's because it's a 10+ year old game. Everything loses its novelty after a while. We shouldn't flatter ourselves to think our forum ranting has that much influence over the game's future.
Moonlit Raid State War Academy Caldari State 239	Posted - 2015.03.03 16:40:05 - [82] - Quote I think it's because all those isboxer alts aren't logging in, so there's probably just as many players, just much fewer toons. If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.
xartin ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans 15	Posted - 2015.03.03 17:51:09 - [83] - Quote Definitely overlooking the availability of under mined nullsec ice belts. Find a nullsec corp that lives in sov controlled nullsec space and get out of highsec. https://i.imgur.com/cbAw2l4.png
Minmatar Citizen160812 The LGBT Last Supper 757	Posted - 2015.03.03 19:02:14 - [84] - Quote Drez Arthie wrote: Lennox Dantes wrote: The saddest thing is that CCP listens to people like you. They continually vandalize their game to make it more like everything else on the market to accommodate people like you. They have been doing it for years. Yet, 1.5 years ago I would log in to a server of 40k people. Now, it's 20k. Do you think this is because CCP needs to keep buttering the stretch - marked thighs of carebears? Or is it because this game is straying so far from its roots that people are just over it It's because it's a 10+ year old game. Everything loses its novelty after a while. We shouldn't flatter ourselves to think our forum ranting has that much influence over the game's future. Forum ranting? No, but CCP's constant pursuit of "NEW player retention" has cost them OLD player retention. It's common though in MMOs. They all end up chasing the new short term money rather than hanging onto the long term loyal customers. By now you would think developers would have learned their lesson but they haven't.
Brutus Utama Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx 6	Posted - 2015.03.04 13:46:07 - [85] - Quote I partially agree with the OP here but also partially do not..... Ice mining sucks at the minute compared to how it was also the belts are emptied very fast (in high sec) but if you find the right system we had a nice one it had a few regulars and 1 mini borg (who was really rude) but in 1 month i pulled in 16k blocks of ice..... then i realised i had an issue.... all this ice and already alot out there... my options were to hold onto it or crash the market with it.... so i have a 17k blocks of ice in high sec atm and moved to nullsec untill the price rises again.... since the jump changes ice is not worth making a living mining.... I make 2-3x more isk mining normal roids in null sec than i did mining ice....also i didnt believe it at first but null sec is safer than high sec.... We have an ice belt near us which is untouched 95% of the time but the logistics make it not a viable mine...
Dave Stark 7406	Posted - 2015.03.04 13:52:28 - [86] - Quote right click, warp to asteroid belt. stop whining.
Shiloh Templeton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 240	Posted - 2015.03.04 14:54:46 - [87] - Quote Brutus Utama wrote: so i have 17k blocks of ice in high sec atm ... until the price rises again Unless CCP introduces a new use for Ice I doubt the price is coming back.
Shiloh Templeton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 240	Posted - 2015.03.04 15:01:41 - [88] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: I must say hisec is in bad shape ... There is nothing you can do there to avoid getting broke. How so, when you can avoid having any losses in hisec?
Zekora Rally Negative Density 12	Posted - 2015.03.04 19:37:40 - [89] - Quote Alexei Stryker wrote: Zekora Rally wrote: The hilarious part about this thread are those telling the OP to move to lowsec or whs to mine ice. You might as well just warp-in then self destruct, why would you want to mine anything in a wh especially shattered systems which have at least 4 incoming holes at any given time? Because people need some miners to shoot? Fair enough.
Gizznitt Malikite Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 4226	Posted - 2015.03.04 20:34:11 - [90] - Quote Make friends in providence. It's a NRDS region of space that has lots of ice belts. I recommend contacting CVA before moving in, but they typically welcome PvE'ers into the area.

Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6550	Posted - 2015.03.04 21:32:43 - [91] - Quote Shiloh Templeton wrote: Basil Pupkin wrote: I must say hisec is in bad shape ... There is nothing you can do there to avoid getting broke. How so, when you can avoid having any losses in hisec? I think the gankers need to be nerfed more. Or perhaps they are thinking of the BUMPERS?! ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 1044	Posted - 2015.03.05 04:11:04 - [92] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: ... diversify your source of income? For emphasis. Op: Ice is much easier to skill for than ore. Try Null Sec, just not where I am, please. (I already have my quota of people moaning and gnashing their teeth) CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 4792	Posted - 2015.03.05 05:39:57 - [93] - Quote OP, your problems are all the fault of other miners. There's no need to whine, however! Train a gank alt, and solve the problem for yourself. The skillplan for new Catalyst pilots at www.minerbumping.com should be of use to you. Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
Leannor Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates. 123	Posted - 2015.03.05 13:59:44 - [94] - Quote two solutions ... mine ore? There's still a decent income if you choose the right ore. or ... find several (maybe just 4) ice belts, and rotate around them as they end and respwan ... never ending. Simples. "Lykouleon wrote: STOP TOUCHING ICONIC SHIP PARTS"
Kuga Sacred Templars DARKNESS. 22	Posted - 2015.03.07 17:49:47 - [95] - Quote Move to null sec - there's boat loads of ice down here. You will also have the opportunity to expand your operation into PI and building fuel blocks there which the local population will gladly buy for above Jita price (because importing is expensive). I think you need to get out of a rut and explore your options a bit more. Don't get stuck by your self fabricated limitations!
Felicity Love Imperium Galactic Navy 2208	Posted - 2015.03.07 21:28:28 - [96] - Quote Musashi IV wrote: Why should I have to shut down my fleet? All those hours of training and millions of ISK are wasted!!!. What CCP did was wrong!! Nothing is ever wasted. Pull your head out of your ass and use it to think of alternatives. Be the first kid on your block to come up with a new idea that makes tonnes of ISK. "EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.-á-á ( Pick four, any four. They all smell. -á)
Hiyora Akachi Perkone Caldari State 226	Posted - 2015.03.08 02:41:02 - [97] - Quote Musashi IV wrote: Why should I have to shut down my fleet? All those hours of training and millions of ISK are wasted!!!. What CCP did was wrong!! Move to Osmon, we had four ice anoms running concurrently today. **** was spooky.
Logan Revelore Symbiotic Systems 44	Posted - 2015.03.08 12:42:27 - [98] - Quote Musashi IV wrote: Abrazzar wrote: I'd say you have to move systems. I have several char in different locations looking for ice. Their are so many players ice mining that all ice is gone withen 1 hour. If that is the case then the market will balance itself and people will stop mining ice as it has become unprofitable.. When that happens there will be more ice available again.
Mephiztopheleze Republic University Minmatar Republic 32	Posted - 2015.03.09 03:14:33 - [99] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Highsec problems. this. There's ice belts in 0.0 that are essentially untouched. There's one I leave an ice miner in while I go ratting in the system. If rats arrive at the belt, I warp back to defend my alt. If a neut enters system, dock up the miner. I have never seen any other player in that belt, although I assume that others mine it occasionally because it respawned a while back. As mentioned, ice prices have dropped since the Phoebe changes. However, towers still need fuelblocks and jump freighters still need 'topes. Resident Newbie at: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
Amyclas Amatin SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation 629	Posted - 2015.03.09 07:33:16 - [100] - Quote You should be allowed to farm isk all day in ice belts! There are bottom lines and kids to feed after all! For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"

Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6574	Posted - 2015.03.09 07:35:25 - [101] - Quote Ice mining, truly a chill experience. (I've done it enough) ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Jessie Jackson DeepSpace Resources DeepSpace. 0	Posted - 2015.03.09 08:51:10 - [102] - Quote Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote: You don't need ice. You need a set of balls. There is plenty of ice in quiet parts of low sec. Of course, you can't do that if you're a brain dead miner so I guess that doesn't work? Well...aren't you friendly.


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