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Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.02.28 16:15:33 -
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I'm going to be doing a presentation, at this years about EVE's markets and trading. Therefor I want to ask you, if you have ideas or suggestions, or just something you would like to seen talked about, that I could also include.
The overall idea is :
Title : Confessions of an EVE trillionaire
Description : Ever wondered what goes on behind the curtains in Jita, or how people turn 20m into 1t profits ? Here is your chance to have a peek behind the curtains, and get a glimpse of some of the things that go on, through a personal take and experience of EVEnomics.
§ Any typos, bad spelling or grammar found, are yours to keep.
¢ Bonds: Current AE07 1 Trillion (Filled) // Total : 2+ Trillon ISK
¦Æ Angel ConsultingGäó || Angel's Pawn ShopGäó
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
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Posted - 2015.02.28 20:12:28 -
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The biggest problem , and for the current traders the biggest advantage , is that people find trading boring.They give it a go for a few weeks at most and then decide to get out of it instead of sticking to it for a few more weeks wich is the time needed to ''+¡dentify how the player market works''.
As such what i would suggest , wich probably will be verry hard to accomplish , is to show that '' If at first you don't succeed,Try, try, try again ... '' -sorry hickinson for quoting you on this one  . If you could find a way to show how much fun trading can be , that alone would be a big thing.
As i have said many times before , i hate spreadsheets , hated math at school and sucked at it big time and have no clue what so ever about economics and yet i have allways found enjoyment in trading in eve.It is by far the best way for anyone who is pvp orientated to ''aquire yourself pvp assets''.
Too bad only a few of us can enjoy this part of eve life , but then if more would enjoy it our enjoyment probably would be less.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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u3pog
Ministerstvo na otbranata
5
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Posted - 2015.02.28 22:02:07 -
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flakeys wrote:The biggest problem , and for the current traders the biggest advantage , is that people find trading boring.They give it a go for a few weeks at most and then decide to get out of it instead of sticking to it for a few more weeks wich is the time needed to ''+¡dentify how the player market works''. As such what i would suggest , wich probably will be verry hard to accomplish , is to show that '' If at first you don't succeed,Try, try, try again ... '' -sorry hickinson for quoting you on this one . If you could find a way to show how much fun trading can be , that alone would be a big thing. As i have said many times before , i hate spreadsheets , hated math at school and sucked at it big time and have no clue what so ever about economics and yet i have allways found enjoyment in trading in eve.It is by far the best way for anyone who is pvp orientated to ''aquire yourself pvp assets''.Show them the risks one has to take at times , the losses one can aquire , show them the thrill of it.Trading isn't like ship pvp , it goes much much further then that. Too bad only a few of us can enjoy this part of eve life , but then if more would enjoy it our enjoyment probably would be less.
I am not good at combat pvp, probably because of the same reason - wasn't persistent enough, however I was persistent enough in trade to find out that this is where I belong. As I get better, it gets even more interesting.
As for the FanFest - It will be nice to cover the down part of the trade - taking the risks, losing billions, due to market shifts or unexpected in-game changes (jump fatigue actually turned out to be bad for business), or simply a missclick - yeah, I've lost a lot because of a simple mistake. Don't modify important orders if you are tired :) I've also earned ISK from other people's mistakes. There are so many things to mention. Trade has rich history. |
Big Lynx
The Moustachery
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Posted - 2015.02.28 22:22:34 -
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When a rich makes a mistake, he gets help from many; when a rich talks bullshite, they agree with him. |
Alexi Stokov
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.28 23:02:11 -
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Interesting premise. If you were to include a tale about your biggest score. Threw down 100 billion on something and cashed out x10. People love big numbers. |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger
Nulli Secunda
1667
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Posted - 2015.02.28 23:11:02 -
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if possible, prepare some large scale manipulation over the next weeks and let the bubble pop live on stage :)
Build your empire !
Rent Space in Feythabolis and Omist
Contact me for details :)
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
4761
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Posted - 2015.03.01 07:24:45 -
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Talk about how you can use expert-level knowledge in a narrow aspect of EVE to your advantage.
For instance, someone might know a *lot* about Caldari FW from three months in the militia, and use that information to make ISK supplying the militia members with their preferred ships, and placing buy orders for militia produced items like Datacore - Quantum Physics .
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
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Posted - 2015.03.01 08:08:46 -
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Big Lynx wrote:When a rich makes a mistake, he gets help from many; when a rich talks bullshite, they agree with him.
Uhm , this is eve .When a rich makes a mistake or talks bullshit people laugh at , point at and mock him .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Big Lynx
The Moustachery
1011
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Posted - 2015.03.01 11:03:23 -
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flakeys wrote:Big Lynx wrote:When a rich makes a mistake, he gets help from many; when a rich talks bullshite, they agree with him. Uhm , this is eve .When a rich makes a mistake or talks bullshit people laugh at , point at and mock him .
What I intended to point out is, that I don't like self-adulation. however, u r right. This is (an) eve(-phenomenon). |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2700
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Posted - 2015.03.01 13:00:44 -
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Big Lynx wrote:flakeys wrote:Big Lynx wrote:When a rich makes a mistake, he gets help from many; when a rich talks bullshite, they agree with him. Uhm , this is eve .When a rich makes a mistake or talks bullshit people laugh at , point at and mock him . What I intended to point out is, that I don't like self-adulation. however, u r right. This is (an) eve(-phenomenon).
Well in wich case we could say that no actuall eve player should do a presentation at fanfest then?As in some sense one could allways interpretate that as self-adulation.People like to hear other eve players talk about their experiences , even if for some it might come over as self-adulation , wich is why the 'this is eve' trailer was seen as the best eve trailer ever.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.03.01 17:58:20 -
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I would like to point out, that I strongly believe the following :
No one else is capable of making a presentation at FanFest other than me.
No one else could make nearly as good a presentation as me.
No one else has better/more knowledge than me.
No one else is more important than me.
Everyone should listen to me.
Everyone should give me their respect and full attention.
I'm incapable of making any mistakes.
I'm the center of the world.
...sure... 
That or ... maybe I'm just willing to actually share some of my knowledge, in the hopes that other people would find it; insightful, helping, beneficial or funny
§ Any typos, bad spelling or grammar found, are yours to keep.
¢ Bonds: Current AE07 1 Trillion (Filled) // Total : 2+ Trillon ISK
¦Æ Angel ConsultingGäó || Angel's Pawn ShopGäó
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Big Lynx
The Moustachery
1013
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Posted - 2015.03.01 19:09:19 -
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Angelica Everstar wrote:I would like to point out, that I strongly believe the following : No one else is capable of making a presentation at FanFest other than me. No one else could make nearly as good a presentation as me. No one else has better/more knowledge than me. No one else is more important than me. Everyone should listen to me. Everyone should give me their respect and full attention. I'm incapable of making any mistakes. I'm the center of the world. ...sure...
Irony: the condom against the fertility of our mistakes. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2700
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Posted - 2015.03.01 19:34:08 -
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Big Lynx wrote:Angelica Everstar wrote:I would like to point out, that I strongly believe the following : No one else is capable of making a presentation at FanFest other than me. No one else could make nearly as good a presentation as me. No one else has better/more knowledge than me. No one else is more important than me. Everyone should listen to me. Everyone should give me their respect and full attention. I'm incapable of making any mistakes. I'm the center of the world. ...sure... Irony: the condom against the fertility of our mistakes.
GÇ£From even the greatest of horrors irony is seldom absent.GÇ¥ H.P.Lovecraft .
But i allways loved this line more : GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ .But that's mostly due to it being on an iron maiden flag , of wich i was a big fan in my younger days  .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2700
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Posted - 2015.03.01 19:35:15 -
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Angelica Everstar wrote:I would like to point out, that I strongly believe the following : No one else is capable of making a presentation at FanFest other than me. No one else could make nearly as good a presentation as me. No one else has better/more knowledge than me. No one else is more important than me. Everyone should listen to me. Everyone should give me their respect and full attention. I'm incapable of making any mistakes. I'm the center of the world. ...sure... That or ... maybe I'm just willing to actually share some of my knowledge, in the hopes that other people would find it; insightful, helping, beneficial or funny
No one else is capable of making a presentation at FanFest other than me.
No one else could make nearly as good a presentation as me.
Remove these two lines and i would swear i'm quoting my wife .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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virm pasuul
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.01 22:09:53 -
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Angelica Everstar wrote:I'm going to be doing a presentation, at this years about EVE's markets and trading. Therefor I want to ask you, if you have ideas or suggestions, or just something you would like to seen talked about, that I could also include.
The overall idea is :
Title : Confessions of an EVE trillionaire
Description : Ever wondered what goes on behind the curtains in Jita, or how people turn 20m into 1t profits ? Here is your chance to have a peek behind the curtains, and get a glimpse of some of the things that go on, through a personal take and experience of EVEnomics.
How your trading strategy evolved over time.
I'm going to start talking gibberish, stick with me I hope it will turn to a relevant point.
In chemistry they teach kids that atoms are the smallest things. Later they then turn around and explain there are smaller things. This continues.
The point is you start off with a simple model. The model helps understand the system being modeled.
Once the model has reached the limits of it's usefulness a new model is then used to reach beyond these limits.
How about a similar evolution of market models or trading methods. Why each works, where it starts to fail, what the next step is.
e.g. 0.1 isk trading versus 90% of best price in the last year trading.
The advantages and disadvantages of different strategies, under what circumstances each shines, and where they shouldn't be used.
Other random bits and bobs -
Less well know market strategies e.g.
Canary orders of small batches of goods sold at high prices designed purely to form an alert for a fast turn around manufacturer once they start selling.
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Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.03.02 17:46:31 -
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I want to say thanks for the many great ideas already 
I will try to work most of them into the presentation. There also some, that I'm in no way capable of talking about, due to lack of knowledge and so on. So I will leave those out.
PLEASE, let the ideas coming - The presentation is still very much "work in progress"
§ Any typos, bad spelling or grammar found, are yours to keep.
¢ Bonds: Current AE07 1 Trillion (Filled) // Total : 2+ Trillon ISK
¦Æ Angel ConsultingGäó || Angel's Pawn ShopGäó
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Bellamy Flynn
Hole Truth
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Posted - 2015.03.02 18:37:46 -
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I'm not familiar with the workings of fanfest....will your talk be recorded or streamed for those that cannot attend? I would definitely like to hear it. |
Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.03.02 18:55:01 -
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That is not known at this point, as its the first year with player presentations at FanFest.
BUT odds are goods, and if they do - I will deffo post link here too
§ Any typos, bad spelling or grammar found, are yours to keep.
¢ Bonds: Current AE07 1 Trillion (Filled) // Total : 2+ Trillon ISK
¦Æ Angel ConsultingGäó || Angel's Pawn ShopGäó
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dominickthebuff buff
Mining Tec Industries inc.
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Posted - 2015.03.02 21:38:19 -
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I tried pvp mining wh exploration and what keept getting me was wars because I am never safe lol now I'm trading and loving it it's like pvp with out a true decleration of war |
Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.03.06 18:26:08 -
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As Monday is last day for handing in ...
So now is you last chance to make suggestions :)
All the best
~Angel~
§ Any typos, bad spelling or grammar found, are yours to keep.
¢ Bonds: Current AE07 1 Trillion (Filled) // Total : 2+ Trillon ISK
¦Æ Angel ConsultingGäó || Angel's Pawn ShopGäó
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Koniforous
Tauren Transit
211
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Posted - 2015.03.06 18:51:15 -
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Angelica Everstar wrote:As Monday is last day for handing in ...
So now is you last chance to make suggestions :)
All the best
~Angel~
I'd love to hear about any 3rd party tools/programs/apps and websites you think are useful. A brief history of your trading, but also a quick bullet point history of how trading techniques have changed with a larger player base, and even a history of market discussion forums would be cool. I'd love to hear you touch on how public funding has changed over the years, from big banks, insolvencies, hedge funds, trusted 3rd parties and auditors, and how the lending market has changed from banks and large ipo's to simply posting a loan request with all the details already worked out.
I'd also love to hear where you think the future will take MD forums, lending, and even trading, including the possible effects you suspect will affect trading with upcoming sov changes.
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Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.03.06 19:00:24 -
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I think my biggest challenge is going to pick what to include in my 20mins 
§ Any typos, bad spelling or grammar found, are yours to keep.
¢ Bonds: Current AE07 1 Trillion (Filled) // Total : 2+ Trillon ISK
¦Æ Angel ConsultingGäó || Angel's Pawn ShopGäó
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Angelica Everstar
90
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Posted - 2015.03.19 10:59:19 -
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Update :
The presentation will be recorded and put on YouTube. Will post the link, it when it's up.
I have tried to work some of the ideas into the presentation. Still feel that it's not as good as I would have liked. BUT I got stuck on an Icelandic mountain due to snow and wind, without power or internet. So I can always blame it on that
§ Any typos, bad spelling or grammar found, are yours to keep.
¢ Bonds: Current AE07 1 Trillion (Filled) // Total : 2+ Trillon ISK
¦Æ Angel ConsultingGäó || Angel's Pawn ShopGäó
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Vaako Omaristos
Sentatus Populusque Romanus
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Posted - 2015.03.19 13:34:18 -
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Looking forward to seeing it. Might give me a few ideas. |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
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Posted - 2015.03.21 05:54:00 -
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Looking forward to your presentation, hopefully the pub crawl didn't ruin you.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
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Posted - 2015.03.21 15:00:22 -
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Good luck , will be nice to see the 'face behind the man'' or well female regarding your avatar
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5657
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Posted - 2015.03.21 19:56:23 -
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flakeys wrote:Big Lynx wrote:Angelica Everstar wrote:I would like to point out, that I strongly believe the following : No one else is capable of making a presentation at FanFest other than me. No one else could make nearly as good a presentation as me. No one else has better/more knowledge than me. No one else is more important than me. Everyone should listen to me. Everyone should give me their respect and full attention. I'm incapable of making any mistakes. I'm the center of the world. ...sure... Irony: the condom against the fertility of our mistakes. GÇ£From even the greatest of horrors irony is seldom absent.GÇ¥ H.P.Lovecraft . But i allways loved this line more : GÇ£That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die.GÇ¥ .But that's mostly due to it being on an iron maiden flag , of wich i was a big fan in my younger days .
Man, I love both you, Lovecraft AND the Iron Maiden 
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Koniforous
Tauren Transit
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Posted - 2015.03.24 15:38:36 -
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How did this go, was it fun? I haven't had time to watch it yet
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Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.03.24 17:17:23 -
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It went well, and was great fun. But its still not up - will be a little week before it comes up I was told.
§ Any typos, bad spelling or grammar found, are yours to keep.
¢ Bonds: Current AE07 1 Trillion (Filled) // Total : 2+ Trillon ISK
¦Æ Angel Consulting (Tobeannounced) Gäó
@EveEntrepreneur
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Ra Masa
Yulai Guard
Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.25 18:46:25 -
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I was in the audience and really enjoyed it, in fact I would have happily sat through a longer session.
Thanks for taking the time to do it. |
virm pasuul
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.25 20:05:42 -
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GRRR not enjoying the waiting. Post it please whoever is doing it.
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TheSmokingHertog
TALIBAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2015.03.26 00:21:22 -
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The end time of pubcrawl and the start of the presentation were greatly timed.
Besides that, it was a great pile of awesomeness ;) |
Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.03.26 03:05:48 -
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I could easily have talked for a full hour, being a teacher and all
I got home at 5am from the pub crawl, and started the presentation 6 hours later - You might be able to see that in the presentation :D
The time of the presentation could deffo have been better 
Thanks for the many positive replies - always nice to hear that people like what you made
§ Any typos, bad spelling or grammar found, are yours to keep.
¢ Bonds: Current AE07 1 Trillion (Filled) // Total : 2+ Trillon ISK
¦Æ Angel Consulting (Tobeannounced) Gäó
@EveEntrepreneur
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Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
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Posted - 2015.03.26 04:45:33 -
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Never trust Norn on a pubcrawl. |
Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.03.27 21:23:12 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jytAfRGsjw
My presentation - enjoy
§ Any typos, bad spelling or grammar found, are yours to keep.
¢ Bonds: Current AE07 1 Trillion (Filled) // Total : 2+ Trillon ISK
¦Æ Angel Consulting (Tobeannounced) Gäó
@EveEntrepreneur
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Bellamy Flynn
Hole Truth
0
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Posted - 2015.03.27 22:08:32 -
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Angelica Everstar wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jytAfRGsjw My presentation - enjoy
Thanks for the link. Would have liked an hour presentation but such is life. |
u3pog
Ministerstvo na otbranata
8
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Posted - 2015.03.27 22:23:48 -
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Bellamy Flynn wrote:Angelica Everstar wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jytAfRGsjw My presentation - enjoy Thanks for the link. Would have liked an hour presentation but such is life.
We'll just have to figure out the rest on our own. Very good presentation. I began same as you - in 2008, but I made waay bigger breaks and my mission running took a lot more before I finally decided to stop doing it. I am happy with trading and I will continue to do it. I's good to see you are sharing some of your epic path to get to a trillion. I am sure you've been through a lot, but from now on you can simply manipulate almost everything into the game, so yeah money is power. Trading is another way of doing PvP :)
Keep up the good work and fly safe o7 |
Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.03.28 10:28:35 -
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@Bellamy Flynn
I could have done an hour easily, maybe even more 
There is a good chance that I will return next year, with another.
Might even get more than 20mins
@u3pog
There is so many great stories that there was just not time for. Ex. like a small typo costing me 4.5b in broker fees
Manipulates are fun, but prefer just reading the market - less risky
§ Any typos, bad spelling or grammar found, are yours to keep.
¢ Bonds: Current AE07 1 Trillion (Filled) // Total : 2+ Trillon ISK
¦Æ Angel Consulting (Tobeannounced) Gäó
@EveEntrepreneur
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u3pog
Ministerstvo na otbranata
8
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Posted - 2015.03.28 17:21:28 -
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Angelica Everstar wrote:@Bellamy Flynn I could have done an hour easily, maybe even more There is a good chance that I will return next year, with another. Might even get more than 20mins @u3pog There is so many great stories that there was just not time for. Ex. like a small typo costing me 4.5b in broker fees Manipulates are fun, but prefer just reading the market - less risky
Next year you could name your presentation: The confessions of a multi-trillionaire
4.5b in froker fees that must have been a huge number. If I assume your broker fees to be somewhere around 0.25%, then you must have put an order for about 1.8 trillion ISK?
By the way I like how you keep track of all the PLEX you've sold...I have no clue how many I've sold, but the numbers are trivial, compared to yours. Most of my money is locked in assets waiting for the price to rise up, so I don't have much spare cash to trade them, I guess you always have a fair amount of liquid cash or you use bonds for that? |
Big Lynx
1073
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Posted - 2015.03.28 22:32:28 -
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Bad presentation. just self-adulation. nothing essential for the audience. |
Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
165
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Posted - 2015.03.28 23:14:49 -
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Speaking of self-adulation... flipping 162,500 plex for 650 bil profit... #effort |
IcyMind Arierep
Chaotic Tranquility
Warp to Cyno.
9
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Posted - 2015.03.29 01:58:30 -
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still i want to see the presentation !!!
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Agata Matahari
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2015.03.29 09:30:49 -
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Angelica Everstar wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jytAfRGsjw My presentation - enjoy
20 fuckin minutes to say that he has a lot of money, his digg has to be really small...n++ |
Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
165
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Posted - 2015.03.29 10:00:42 -
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Agata Matahari wrote:Angelica Everstar wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jytAfRGsjw My presentation - enjoy 20 fuckin minutes to say that he has a lot of money, his digg has to be really small...n++
So Hemmo agrees with big lynx |
Koniforous
Tauren Transit
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Posted - 2015.03.31 17:43:35 -
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Angelica Everstar wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jytAfRGsjw My presentation - enjoy
Finally had a chance to watch it. Great presentation. I especially liked your plex stats. I got into plex trading within a few months after starting my trading and was making a comfortable billion each month on them alone.
So when can we expect to see weekly YouTube videos about trading, and market analysis, from you?
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