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Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 18:07:00 - [1] Originally by: Butter Dog Its not funny, its just that most people havent got the time or energy to persue legal proceedings, and you know it. Its also not funny that you do such things in the first place. You are morally corrupt and have no respect for other people who play this game. Grow up. * cough * Originally by: UK Copyright Act Criticism, review and news reporting. 30.ù(1) Fair dealing with a work for the purpose of criticism or review, of that or another work or of a performance of a work, does not infringe any copyright in the work provided that it is accompanied by a sufficient acknowledgement. (2) Fair dealing with a work (other than a photograph) for the purpose of reporting current events does not infringe any copyright in the work provided that (subject to subsection (3)) it is accompanied by a sufficient acknowledgement. (3) No acknowledgement is required in connection with the reporting of current events by means of a sound recording, film, broadcast or cable programme. Under section 9 of the same act, unknown authors are those who can not be easily identified (in real life), and do not need to be credited (because you can't credit work if you don't know who made it). No matter how much you want this to be illegal, it isn't. Sorry. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 18:45:00 - [2] Sorry, but if you think TS is covered by the Telecommunications Act, you are sorely mistakened. Teamspeak is covered under legislation as a cable broadcast service, and thus covered only by copyright law. Only secure point to point VoIP communication is covered under the Telecommunications Act, and covered by the privacy provisions of that Act. Sorry if you find that inconvenient to your case. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 18:58:00 - [3] Originally by: Butter Dog Secure voice servers are not classed as cable broadcast services. Sorry if that inconveniences your case. And none of this psuedo-legal talk hides the fact your out-of-game actions are morally reprehensible. Still, if you must sc*****the barrel, go right ahead... does wonders for your PR. Yawn. You are incorrect. Anyone has legitimate access to the TS server can consider it a public broadcast system, in fact, the law REQUIRES it is treated as such. Seriously BD, you are arguing with the wrong person over the legal aspects of this. As to the morality question, I disagree again. Let us look at the Human Rights which are recognised under UK law: 16 basic human rights have been incorporated into UK law. (Summary of The Human Rights Act 1998) right to life prohibition of torture prohibition of slavery and forced labour right to liberty and security right to a fair trial no punishment without law right to respect for private and family life freedom of thought, conscience and religion freedom of expression freedom of assembly and association right to marry prohibition of discrimination protection of property right to education right to free elections abolition of the death penalty Before you try to argue the "right to respect for private life" card, it doesn't apply to public broadcasts. Sorry. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:03:00 - [4] Originally by: Butter Dog You talk about morality then quote a law? Laughable. Really? What do you think the law is based on, imorality? The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:13:00 - [5] Originally by: Butter Dog The fact you can get away with something because of a (highly debatable) legal loophole regarding secure voice servers, does not make your actions right or justifiable. It isn't a loophole, and it isn't "highly debatable". What you are asking for is censorship. You are saying it is unfair to show someone in a bad light by simply making their public broadcast more public. Censorship is lying by ommission, and lying is immoral, non? The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:19:00 - [6] Edited by: Avon on 13/10/2006 19:20:28 Originally by: Butter Dog One could argue with equal force that secure voice servers are NOT covered by Copyright laws. Indeed from the legal perspective this would make more sense. You could argue it, but you'd be wrong. Originally by: Copyright Act 6 (2) An encrypted transmission shall be regarded as capable of being lawfully received by members of the public only if decoding equipment has been made available to members of the public by or with the authority of the person making the transmission or the person providing the contents of the transmission. ie. give them the password and it is a public broadcast. I could do this all night, but I'd rather not as I have to do it all day. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:24:00 - [7] Originally by: Audrea lol, is that the forum for role playing lawyers? I wish I was a lawyer, I'd probably have to spend less time talking to them over compliance issues. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 09:47:00 - [8] Originally by: Crohnx client dropped and thats why tank failed , it will get reimbursed ... CTRL+Q will do that to you. I'm joking. However, a client crash is not CCP's fault, and not petitionable - the problem has to be with their server. No wonder the petition queue is so long. You lost a dread. Big deal. It happens. Move on. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 11:29:00 - [9] Edited by: Avon on 14/10/2006 11:33:05 Butter Dog, you really need to chill out a little and stop trying to execute a rather poor point scoring exercise. Let's just sum it up right here. BoB > You You = Bitter There. Now, if you would like to disprove that, you can do it in one of two ways. Either: a/ Defeat BoB or b/ Stop posting. Until you actually manage to do something in game to give you an ounce of credibility, you will have to expect that people may not give your words the weight you feel they deserve. I know that is frustrating for you, but ultimately here, in this part of the forums, you are a nobody. Harsh, but true. Anyway, thanks for your interest in our alliance, and spending so much of your valuable time expressing that interest. When you have something valuable, insightful, or factual to say, please hurry back. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 11:38:00 - [10] Edited by: Avon on 14/10/2006 11:40:20 Originally by: Ab Initio When we see you down here on the frontline, sharing some of your apparently limitless knowledge on EVE warfare with ASCN, perhaps we can take you seriously. Jeez, that is harsh. ASCN have enough problems without BD lending a helping hand. I know they need some new FC's, but not even I'd wish BD on them. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.15 10:58:00 - [11] Originally by: Butter Dog I was simply pointing out a few facts. You are confusing opinion with fact. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 21:23:00 - [12] Originally by: Butter Dog Regarding my discussion with Avon, it was my opinion against his. There was no proof on either side. The discussion was fairly pointless I guess, but well... thats what forums are for after all. Wasting time If you want to think what I posted was just my opinion, fine. Just don't break my opinion in the UK, because there they call it the law. As to your logical arguements, I counter you with an accusation of sophism. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 21:35:00 - [13] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Avon I counter you with an accusation of sophism. An expected accusation, considering I tend to argue with BoB members. I'm not actually pro-ASCN, believe it or not, they just rise less to the bait than you guys. You are both highly defensive and aggressive on the forums, its not a pleasant combination. But nonetheless, its quite fun provided one doesnt take it too seriously. Sounds like an admission of trolling to me. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 21:58:00 - [14] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Avon Sounds like an admission of trolling to me. Not really, I don't post to incite flames. Its just very hard to avoid that with you guys. You are tuned to react to anything you percieve as criticism - be it explicit or implied. That's a rather sweeping generalisation. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur

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