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Demonica II	Posted - 2006.10.13 01:59:00 - [1] Just how far is RA going to go with farming complexes? They have forces camped in the last level of blood 6/10 complexes in aridia, they got people watching over/running the UTK serpentis 10/10 complex in SYNDICATE! Thats about as far away from their home space as they can get, of course the characters doing the farming arn't actually in the alliance, but they have been linked to RA many times. How long until RA have characters parked in every complex in EVE? Are they really this dedicated at farming on such a grand scale to fund their EVE wars? Damn it, i hate to say it, but i think ccp turns a blind eye to what is actually going on here.
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2006.10.13 02:02:00 - [2] Err so whats stoping you from camping it yourself and killing them? --- CCP how about the pith X & A mods? "Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
FFGR Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.13 02:08:00 - [3] Each person is able to decide what to do and where to go. _____________________________ siggys v. 0.5
Lister Black The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.13 02:09:00 - [4] What a great post! If only we had a special forum to discuss the comings and goings of corporations and alliances. A "Corporations, Alliance and Organization Discussion" forum if you will... Wait a second... ---------------------------- "Unshrink you?! Well that would require some sort of a REbigulator, which is a concept so ridiculous it makes me want to laugh out loud and chortle..." -Prof.Frink
Dirtball Celtic Anarchy Black Reign Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.13 02:18:00 - [5] at least they have to fight over them
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 02:19:00 - [6] Originally by: Demonica II Are they really this dedicated at farming on such a grand scale to fund their EVE wars?. Fund their mortgage more like. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
McDeth187 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.10.13 02:19:00 - [7] I hear RA dies just like any other corp when you shoot them, C/D?
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.10.13 02:32:00 - [8] Originally by: Lister Black What a great post! If only we had a special forum to discuss the comings and goings of corporations and alliances. A "Corporations, Alliance and Organization Discussion" forum if you will... Wait a second... owned Save Low-sec
Demonica II	Posted - 2006.10.13 02:37:00 - [9] Edited by: Demonica II on 13/10/2006 02:38:52 Originally by: xeom Err so whats stoping you from camping it yourself and killing them? What's stopping me is I dont play this game to pay as my job and they do, they put the dedication and effort into farming the complexes because their way of life depends on it, when you are fighting for fun and your opponent is fighting so he can put food onto the table, who do you think is going to win most of the time? Most complexes in EVE now have RA and their alts farming them every day like clockwork, They are expanding outward to new complexes at a rapid pace since the bugged 8/10 complex had its long awaited fix. They have an obvious isk farming operation of a grand scale, and what for? For their ingame wars? I dont think so. Remove all complexes from the game and see what they do then, or better yet, remove them from the game dont lose game content because of some huge farming operation. They've been allowed to get away with this for so long that over time they have just expanded more and more to the point where most of EVE's complexes are being farmed by them. Those isk sellers you see on ebay shifting many multiple billions of isk daily, who do you think they are? Macrominers? Macromining doesn't make that kind of isk, all that isk has got to be coming from somewhere, it certainly doesn't come from macrominers or out of thin air.
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.13 02:40:00 - [10] Originally by: Demonica II ... they put the dedication and effort into farming the complexes because their way of life depends on it, when you are fighting for fun and your opponent is fighting so he can put food onto the table... If that doesn't get you banned, I don't know what will... Racism in a game, what next? ____________________ Darko1107 > does anything in ascn space have tech II fittings? Quillan Rage > Iron ships
CharlieMurphy Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2006.10.13 02:54:00 - [11] Originally by: Sorja Originally by: Demonica II ... they put the dedication and effort into farming the complexes because their way of life depends on it, when you are fighting for fun and your opponent is fighting so he can put food onto the table... If that doesn't get you banned, I don't know what will... Racism in a game, what next? Sposing its the truth (i have no idea if it is or not)but should thr truth be censored because some people find a way to take offense with it? the statement doesnt look terribly racist to me anyway the way to fix complex farming is only allow people to use them once a month a determined force could still farm but at the very least you wouldnt see the same player in there day after day
Razin	Posted - 2006.10.13 02:58:00 - [12] Originally by: Lister Black What a great post! If only we had a special forum to discuss the comings and goings of corporations and alliances. A "Corporations, Alliance and Organization Discussion" forum if you will... Wait a second... Except that trolling alts like Demonica II aren't allowed to post there. And rightly so. ...
Deros Minmatar Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.13 03:07:00 - [13] right, so i guess you are a BRS alt yeh? D
Khemul Zula Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2006.10.13 03:08:00 - [14] /emote Sets up a shop selling tinfoil hats. This still doesn't answer the question of why you can't just kill them. Obviously they are not in high-sec space. But it is true. RA is behind everything bad in EVE. In fact I heard they use the money to fund wars in an attempt to cause lag and server crashes so that it drives up the price of ISK so that they get better profits! It makes sense! You can't prove it doesn't! "Everytime you mine Veldspar God kills a kitten."
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.13 03:22:00 - [15] What I always found strange, and had ALOT of experiance with RED and plexs in the south, is that every single spawn time, every day, week in, week out, will have RED suddenly log on to run it. Now if you figure in that the first spawn is after downtime, second is around midnight, and third is a few hours before downtime, you have to have no job, you have to change your sleep pattern to fit in with the times perfectly. No one does this for just in-game gain, give up your job, basicaly give up your entire life just so you can make money in an online game? Either VERY sad, or youre making real life money off it, it realy is as simple as that, and I'm sure there arent THAT many people in RED that are THAT sad...... Thats why its so hard to stop them from running plexs, because to stop them you basicaly have to dedicate your entire life to doing so, and not many people are willing to do that. CEO - Art of War
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.13 03:24:00 - [16] Originally by: CharlieMurphy Originally by: Sorja Originally by: Demonica II ... they put the dedication and effort into farming the complexes because their way of life depends on it, when you are fighting for fun and your opponent is fighting so he can put food onto the table... If that doesn't get you banned, I don't know what will... Racism in a game, what next? Sposing its the truth (i have no idea if it is or not)but should thr truth be censored because some people find a way to take offense with it? the statement doesnt look terribly racist to me anyway I'm not russian and find those comments absolutely unacceptable, like it's unacceptable to read racist comments about asians being farmers or whatnot, whether it's true or not. I know of british and american pilots being banned for ISK affairs against the EULA, does it give anyone the right to generalize and say british and americans are cheaters? Certainly not, because it is racism and that's against the EULA. ____________________ Darko1107 > does anything in ascn space have tech II fittings? Quillan Rage > Iron ships
Nifel Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 03:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Sorja Originally by: CharlieMurphy Originally by: Sorja Originally by: Demonica II ... they put the dedication and effort into farming the complexes because their way of life depends on it, when you are fighting for fun and your opponent is fighting so he can put food onto the table... If that doesn't get you banned, I don't know what will... Racism in a game, what next? Sposing its the truth (i have no idea if it is or not)but should thr truth be censored because some people find a way to take offense with it? the statement doesnt look terribly racist to me anyway I'm not russian and find those comments absolutely unacceptable, like it's unacceptable to read racist comments about asians being farmers or whatnot, whether it's true or not. I know of british and american pilots being banned for ISK affairs against the EULA, does it give anyone the right to generalize and say british and americans are cheaters? Certainly not, because it is racism and that's against the EULA. It's not racism. So far I've seen no race called either britians, americans, russians or chinese. And for the asian comment it's more about geography than race (lots of ISK farmers from Asia, the continent). Grow some thicker hide pls... "When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car." RKK Ranking: (MIN14)
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.13 03:34:00 - [18] Originally by: Sorja Originally by: CharlieMurphy Originally by: Sorja Originally by: Demonica II ... they put the dedication and effort into farming the complexes because their way of life depends on it, when you are fighting for fun and your opponent is fighting so he can put food onto the table... If that doesn't get you banned, I don't know what will... Racism in a game, what next? Sposing its the truth (i have no idea if it is or not)but should thr truth be censored because some people find a way to take offense with it? the statement doesnt look terribly racist to me anyway I'm not russian and find those comments absolutely unacceptable, like it's unacceptable to read racist comments about asians being farmers or whatnot, whether it's true or not. I know of british and american pilots being banned for ISK affairs against the EULA, does it give anyone the right to generalize and say british and americans are cheaters? Certainly not, because it is racism and that's against the EULA. Not seeing a race mentioned in this post, except in your reply, where is the racism, I'm not seeing it? CEO - Art of War
CharlieMurphy Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2006.10.13 03:40:00 - [19] Edited by: CharlieMurphy on 13/10/2006 03:42:05 Quote: I'm not russian and find those comments absolutely unacceptable im not russian either and the post doesnt bother me in the slightest if you arnt russian why do you even care? If i see an asian isk farming i will point and say look there is an asian farmer its not racism its just fact I also beleive the OP mentioned a corp not a nationality are you being racist by suggesting that corp is all one nationality Edit:bah beaten to it
franny Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2006.10.13 03:49:00 - [20] bah, what happened to the good old days, when everyone had to fight the Polish for that plex PTF/Bermuda/BRS used to love fighting for that plex, I know I have the kill and loss mails from them in UTKS did BRS turn into empire carebears?
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.13 03:56:00 - [21] Originally by: franny bah, what happened to the good old days, when everyone had to fight the Polish for that plex PTF/Bermuda/BRS used to love fighting for that plex, I know I have the kill and loss mails from them in UTKS did BRS turn into empire carebears? Us and BRS pooned Bermudas 4 Carriers in one go, they havnt been seen since. PTF I have no knowlege of. And BRS are actively fighting for the plex, but as stated earlier, unless you dedicate your life to stopping others that dedicate their life to running it, you arent going to stop them, especialy when they have other alliances that dont seem to mind them doing it and actively support them in doing it. CEO - Art of War
Mak'shar Karrde Minmatar UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.13 04:19:00 - [22] Edited by: Mak''shar Karrde on 13/10/2006 04:20:52 For all their suspect actions in game, RA are one of the most dedicated alliances I have seen in any MMOG. If they can run all those complexes without exploiting then congrats to them. It's up to the rest of us to force them out if we want but it definetly won't be easy. They will be there day after day fighting for it. They are organised, they are experianced and they don't mind waking up at 4 in the morning if that is when they're most likely to succeed. Now I've no doubt they've, shall we say, pushed the boundries at times, but even without that they would still be the pains in the arse they are today. And I mean it in the good way, it's always nice to have good enemys to fight. It makes victories that much more enjoyable.
Jiam Grymauch	Posted - 2006.10.13 04:36:00 - [23] Originally by: Sorja Originally by: Demonica II ... they put the dedication and effort into farming the complexes because their way of life depends on it, when you are fighting for fun and your opponent is fighting so he can put food onto the table... If that doesn't get you banned, I don't know what will... Racism in a game, what next? No *****, it is called an opinion. Try to quit stifling other peoples. Thanks.
Kaiu Hinkledolph and K Associates The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.10.13 04:37:00 - [24] Originally by: Rift Scorn Originally by: Demonica II Are they really this dedicated at farming on such a grand scale to fund their EVE wars?. Fund their mortgage more like. That some racist anti-russian thing ? ____________________ MOGarmy
Johnny Bravo Gallente Draconis Navitas Aeterna Pure.	Posted - 2006.10.13 04:44:00 - [25] Contrary to popular belief, ppls what what play EvE to fund they RL life are useally dont run plexes. Most of them easely found rather in empire macromining or 0.0 10-box mining. Each mining barge in 0.0 will easely get you 600-700 mil a day, and you can get many of them running at the same time. So better look for these ISK ebayers in major "safe" alliances like ACSN, D2, etc.
Kelgen Thann SUBLIME L.L.C. Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.10.13 05:25:00 - [26] I love how racisim came up in this thread. This is like a black guy being accused of committing a crime and playing a race card If they are faming isk then they are.. So what. If a bunch of players move in and camp it takes another group to move them out. OR be a pain for them and when they are taking attack their tank and warp out.
Weirda Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age	Posted - 2006.10.13 05:30:00 - [27] sorja just bummed because got smacked down about saying something about chinese people logging. Weirda read 'in soviet russia, the complex farm YOU' somewhere, that was funny. __ Weirda Join QOTSA Now Stealth Bomber Tweaks
Bohoba Caldari The Dark Angles	Posted - 2006.10.13 05:53:00 - [28] found to be bot's most of them. timed to the (T) Get Into the Game it makes it fun for all
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.13 05:56:00 - [29] Originally by: Kaiu Originally by: Rift Scorn Originally by: Demonica II Are they really this dedicated at farming on such a grand scale to fund their EVE wars?. Fund their mortgage more like. That some racist anti-russian thing ? Think some people realy need to learn what racism means CEO - Art of War
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.13 06:37:00 - [30] Edited by: Plutoinum on 13/10/2006 06:44:22 Originally by: Kaiu Originally by: Rift Scorn Originally by: Demonica II Are they really this dedicated at farming on such a grand scale to fund their EVE wars?. Fund their mortgage more like. That some racist anti-russian thing ? First of all, RA are international. But ok, the poster probably meant the eastern europeans or even russians in RA. Then it's still just smack or a predjudice, but can't be racism, because noone would call russians, eastern europeans etc. a race. What he meant was the inhabitants of a few countries, but no race. Same as if people say something against Germans, which sometimes happens. I don't see that as racism, because we are no race, I just see it as stupid smack from some idiot. Having a break from EVE until my broadband connection is working again.
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.10.13 07:00:00 - [31] i think its a matter of that they can and tbh not many ppl take em on. If BOB werent at war with ASCN i reckon that they would soon be on RA (has anyone investigated if RA are close to building some titans because if everyone isnt careful that will be next n the menu) and they have remained deadly silent which means yore probably looking at what 3-4 titans quickly Kalli will also screw RA and co up a bit if it is them why well complexes are going to be come moveable randomly placed things within each constellation so and end to camping a specific system and the need for them to move around each day will make it more difficult
Ingols	Posted - 2006.10.13 08:42:00 - [32] Look players, this problem was solved some time ago by other MMORPS. It's called "instanced" play areas. Meaning that when a gang goes into the complex, they spawn their own copy of the complex. Another gang can go into the complex and spawn their own copy. Having one corporation / guild / whatever you call it have and maintain control of item drop points is known and has proven to be points of contention between casual players (the bread and butter of the game) and GM's CSR's. When it becomes to burdonsome for the casual player to effectively play the game, then those players are ripe for defection to other mmorpgs. Eve is a great game, attested by the fact that it's growing subscription, despite assumed collusion between player corps and CSR/DEV (for the sake of storyline content and game economy), and quite possible black market ebay ISK selling from same.
Laythun Undercover Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 09:02:00 - [33] Originally by: Ingols Look players, this problem was solved some time ago by other MMORPS. It's called "instanced" play areas. Meaning that when a gang goes into the complex, they spawn their own copy of the complex. Another gang can go into the complex and spawn their own copy. Having one corporation / guild / whatever you call it have and maintain control of item drop points is known and has proven to be points of contention between casual players (the bread and butter of the game) and GM's CSR's. When it becomes to burdonsome for the casual player to effectively play the game, then those players are ripe for defection to other mmorpgs. Eve is a great game, attested by the fact that it's growing subscription, despite assumed collusion between player corps and CSR/DEV (for the sake of storyline content and game economy), and quite possible black market ebay ISK selling from same. Dont be so stupid. Anyway whats the big deal, i ALWAYS see people whining complaining about RA this RA that, damn why do u care so much?? if you wanted to run the plex you'd log in straight after DT as well. Ive done it we all have. it just so happens that 'some' people from RA like to do it ALL the time. so what?? I like to shoot people all the time, if i stay awake 15 hours to do it, its within your power to stop me, as with the complex camping. Im sick to death of all this whining, do something about it. CCP gave u the same tools as the gave RA and any other complex campers so bloody well use them. Proud Member of the Anti Whine 14
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.13 09:14:00 - [34] Originally by: Laythun Originally by: Ingols Look players, this problem was solved some time ago by other MMORPS. It's called "instanced" play areas. Meaning that when a gang goes into the complex, they spawn their own copy of the complex. Another gang can go into the complex and spawn their own copy. Having one corporation / guild / whatever you call it have and maintain control of item drop points is known and has proven to be points of contention between casual players (the bread and butter of the game) and GM's CSR's. When it becomes to burdonsome for the casual player to effectively play the game, then those players are ripe for defection to other mmorpgs. Eve is a great game, attested by the fact that it's growing subscription, despite assumed collusion between player corps and CSR/DEV (for the sake of storyline content and game economy), and quite possible black market ebay ISK selling from same. Dont be so stupid. Anyway whats the big deal, i ALWAYS see people whining complaining about RA this RA that, damn why do u care so much?? if you wanted to run the plex you'd log in straight after DT as well. Ive done it we all have. it just so happens that 'some' people from RA like to do it ALL the time. so what?? I like to shoot people all the time, if i stay awake 15 hours to do it, its within your power to stop me, as with the complex camping. Im sick to death of all this whining, do something about it. CCP gave u the same tools as the gave RA and any other complex campers so bloody well use them. Not everyone can dedicate their entire lives to a plex spawn timer. Some people have jobs, you know, where they actualy leave the house and go to a place of work, not log into a game. CEO - Art of War
The Enslaver Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.13 09:28:00 - [35] Not surprising. RA almost had a civil war over their 10/10 complex after the 8/10's were nerfed Pretty pathetic tbh, really needs to be sorted out. --------

Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.10.13 09:31:00 - [36] Please keep this thread on topic - that is about complexe camping / farming, NOT racism, i have read it carefully and i find not evidence of anything racist being said, but the discussion about it also does not belong here. Thanks ____ forum rules \| Email us

Laythun Undercover Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 09:31:00 - [37] Originally by: Nebuli Originally by: Laythun Originally by: Ingols Look players, this problem was solved some time ago by other MMORPS. It's called "instanced" play areas. Meaning that when a gang goes into the complex, they spawn their own copy of the complex. Another gang can go into the complex and spawn their own copy. Having one corporation / guild / whatever you call it have and maintain control of item drop points is known and has proven to be points of contention between casual players (the bread and butter of the game) and GM's CSR's. When it becomes to burdonsome for the casual player to effectively play the game, then those players are ripe for defection to other mmorpgs. Eve is a great game, attested by the fact that it's growing subscription, despite assumed collusion between player corps and CSR/DEV (for the sake of storyline content and game economy), and quite possible black market ebay ISK selling from same. Dont be so stupid. Anyway whats the big deal, i ALWAYS see people whining complaining about RA this RA that, damn why do u care so much?? if you wanted to run the plex you'd log in straight after DT as well. Ive done it we all have. it just so happens that 'some' people from RA like to do it ALL the time. so what?? I like to shoot people all the time, if i stay awake 15 hours to do it, its within your power to stop me, as with the complex camping. Im sick to death of all this whining, do something about it. CCP gave u the same tools as the gave RA and any other complex campers so bloody well use them. Not everyone can dedicate their entire lives to a plex spawn timer. Some people have jobs, you know, where they actualy leave the house and go to a place of work, not log into a game. So what?? so your gonna ** on someone cos they dont work? or they dont have too? or they dont want too? does that affect you? no no its doesnt. Its all choices, were none of you taught to respect other peoples choices in life? whether you agree or not? its sad that everyone is whining so much and doin zip about it. Proud Member of the Anti Whine 14**
Orri Sarikusa	Posted - 2006.10.13 09:35:00 - [38] Should've banned the sploiters when they had the chance. --- How to avoid a ban. The Manuel approach - 'I know nothing I'm from Barcelona'
Jags4ever Caldari M. Corp	Posted - 2006.10.13 09:39:00 - [39] The problem is not a certian alliance (or any alliance for that matter) camping the complexes 23/7 its the way they are implemented. Spawns should be random and within a constellation so that people need to look for them , not spawning at the same time every day and remaining in the same space. Maybe a random plex will spawn from a 5/10 to a 10/10 each time , depending on sec status of a system so if you are in say 0.1 you may get a 10/10 spawning but it may be 500/1 that it happens. CCP need to have a radical rethink over how it has implemented plexes IMO.
The Enslaver Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.13 09:57:00 - [40] Originally by: Jags4ever The problem is not a certian alliance (or any alliance for that matter) camping the complexes 23/7 its the way they are implemented. Spawns should be random and within a constellation so that people need to look for them , not spawning at the same time every day and remaining in the same space. Maybe a random plex will spawn from a 5/10 to a 10/10 each time , depending on sec status of a system so if you are in say 0.1 you may get a 10/10 spawning but it may be 500/1 that it happens. CCP need to have a radical rethink over how it has implemented plexes IMO. CCP originally planned for them to move around, and I've brought it up multiple times over the last year or so. They don't care about it. --------
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.13 10:01:00 - [41] Originally by: Laythun Originally by: Nebuli Originally by: Laythun Originally by: Ingols Look players, this problem was solved some time ago by other MMORPS. It's called "instanced" play areas. Meaning that when a gang goes into the complex, they spawn their own copy of the complex. Another gang can go into the complex and spawn their own copy. Having one corporation / guild / whatever you call it have and maintain control of item drop points is known and has proven to be points of contention between casual players (the bread and butter of the game) and GM's CSR's. When it becomes to burdonsome for the casual player to effectively play the game, then those players are ripe for defection to other mmorpgs. Eve is a great game, attested by the fact that it's growing subscription, despite assumed collusion between player corps and CSR/DEV (for the sake of storyline content and game economy), and quite possible black market ebay ISK selling from same. Dont be so stupid. Anyway whats the big deal, i ALWAYS see people whining complaining about RA this RA that, damn why do u care so much?? if you wanted to run the plex you'd log in straight after DT as well. Ive done it we all have. it just so happens that 'some' people from RA like to do it ALL the time. so what?? I like to shoot people all the time, if i stay awake 15 hours to do it, its within your power to stop me, as with the complex camping. Im sick to death of all this whining, do something about it. CCP gave u the same tools as the gave RA and any other complex campers so bloody well use them. Not everyone can dedicate their entire lives to a plex spawn timer. Some people have jobs, you know, where they actualy leave the house and go to a place of work, not log into a game. So what?? so your gonna ** on someone cos they dont work? or they dont have too? or they dont want too? does that affect you? no no its doesnt. Its all choices, were none of you taught to respect other peoples choices in life? whether you agree or not? its sad that everyone is whining so much and doin zip about it. Doing zip about it... Personaly I have heart problems, I cannot work due to that, I spent several months making it impossible for RED to run a specific plex, along with some other people in the corp who either are at uni and could fit it in, or took holidays around that time. But its impossible to maintain it for any length of time, people have lives to live. Think you dont understand the scope of what is going on tbh, and unless people have seen it with their own eyes, and watched how its all done cant realy understand it, its very easy to say you can do the same, but unless you get about 200 or more people together, all who dont work and all who share accounts you cant do it, its as simple as that. If you were to watch it, and study it, and try and fight against it you would come to the same conclusion as everyone else does who has, its a big scale ISK selling ring, there are no two ways about it, its a job. Unless you make it your full time job to stop it, youre never going to, the only people who can stop it are CCP themselves. And to say it doesnt effect me is frankly rubbish, it effects every single player in the game, if you cant see how thats the case you need to think a little longer on it. Respect other peoples choices in life? do I respect a rapists decision to ***people? no I do not, do I respect a murders decision to murder people? no I do not, do I respect law breakers? no I do not, do I respect people who break the rules of this game we play? no I do not. CEO - Art of War
Laythun Undercover Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 10:11:00 - [42] If your going to talk in extremeties then i'll stop discussing with you right now. cos the ***comment has no relevance whatsoever. comparing camping plex to *it pretty stupid and immature. Anyway to the point, i have seen plex campers, ive been to the south many occasions, ive lived there etc etc etc (pfft why i need to explain myself to u lord knows) but anyway, i cant stand it when people throw around accusations of this and that with no real proof. the fact that they run the plex all the time is no proof of and 'isk ring' thats just jumping to conclusions, which seems to be in vogue on the eve-o boards now. Quite frankly i couldnt care less about what you can or cannot do in game due to rl problems, thats your problem. and not the problem of people who can and are willing to play all the time. You ever wondered (for instance) what i costs to run a war against the southern coalition for over a year?? think about the isk involved in that then think about the plex. Also im tired, real tired of people like you whining cos someone is more dedicated to the game, maybe there not living there life, but thats there problem not yours. I suggest u qquit your whining about other people if u cant do anything about it. To the Ens: Yes i have seen your proposal a fair few times and it seem to be the best solution to a more dynamic complex system. Proud Member of the Anti Whine 14**
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.13 10:16:00 - [43] Lay, you made points and I countered them, that was all. And you have to be blind not to see what is going on, I do have proof as it happens, but not that I can use or divulge as it would get a friend into trouble. And as for the prolongued campaign against the coalition, did you not know about the bugged 8/10s? CEO - Art of War
Laythun Undercover Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 10:36:00 - [44] Originally by: Nebuli Edited by: Nebuli on 13/10/2006 10:24:33 Lay, you made points and I countered them, that was all. And you have to be blind not to see what is going on, I do have proof as it happens, but not that I can use or divulge as it would get a friend into trouble. And as for the prolongued campaign against the coalition, did you not know about the bugged 8/10s? My health problems have no impact on what I can and cant do in the game, was simply pointing out I'm not having a go at people who dont work as you impled as I dont either. Also I suggest you quit your whining about people with legitimate complaints about people, if you dont like to see it dont read, dont presume to know what I know and dont tell me when and where I can and cant post. The comparisons made were extreme, but they were to make a point, someone doing something wrong is still doing something wrong, and I do not respect that even though you seem to think everyone should be respected for every decision they make. But you dont have a legitimate complaint, until EVERYONE sees proof that there selling isk and all that, it will simply be a bunch of peoople farming a plex..is that againt the mechanics / rules of the game? Dont presume to tell me that u have proof and it would get someone in trouble, becuase guess what! i have proof that they dont farm and they dont sell isk, but i'll get a friend in trouble if i say. I respect the decisioon they make to want to game so hard, why is that so hard to understand? Prove to me that its some massive isk selling ring and i'll duely give u our pros and say i was wrong, but until then, i will reply to every person that uses conjecture and assumptions to try and prove someone is doing something against the rules of the game. And yes in the context, i have to respct how people want to play the game and so should you. You can prove anything with extreme examples. Oh and furthermore its not blindness, its just i prefer cold hard facts to conjecture. Proud Member of the Anti Whine 14
Donna Divine Gilded Goose Brokerage	Posted - 2006.10.13 10:53:00 - [45] Edited by: Donna Divine on 13/10/2006 10:54:00 Noone will prove the isk selling if they haven't already. (If true at all) However, account sharing is bannable too. Some easy datamining should reveal the hours of play of these characters to be so long and diverse as to exceed the human capability of suppressing sleep. That means ? Exactly. Banzor. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gilded Goose Brokerages Trading to order.
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.10.13 10:55:00 - [46] Originally by: Donna Divine Edited by: Donna Divine on 13/10/2006 10:54:00 Noone will prove the isk selling if they haven't already. (If true at all) However, account sharing is bannable too. Some easy datamining should reveal the hours of play of these characters to be so long and diverse as to exceed the human capability of suppressing sleep. That means ? Exactly. Banzor. CCP dont care - next tin foil hat plz
franny Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2006.10.13 11:01:00 - [47] Originally by: Nebuli timeline thanks, i've still got friends in the area(TCC members, Saint Lucifer and whatever his new corp is) but I havn't really followed Syndicate/Solitude since we left TCC to move to Querious needless to say, after 8mths or so fighting BRS/friends I ain't upset Bermuda lost those 4 carriers but I would have prefered it was TCC that took em apart
Demonica II	Posted - 2006.10.13 11:19:00 - [48] Originally by: fuze Not all Russians are RA. Probably not all RA are Russian. And having RA run complexes 23/7 like clockwork at least should be investigated. If they have sweatshops its sad, but its not against the rules. Thank you for pointing this out, I didnt refer to anyone other than by corp name, Your words are true. Except for the sweatshop part, if they have that kind of operation going on it is to sell the isk for a real profit, which is against the rules. If you actually take the time to look into the whole complexes situation, you will find that characters in RA or characters that have been linked to RA by their corps and exmployment history are farming many complexes all around EVE, recently they have been spreading to new complexes rapidly, most complexes in the southern half of EVE are ran by them and their alts every day. When every complex in EVE is being ran by them, then will you see?
Demonica II	Posted - 2006.10.13 11:39:00 - [49] Edited by: Demonica II on 13/10/2006 11:42:54
Star Hunter Gallente RUS-1-UKR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.13 11:45:00 - [50] Originally by: Nebuli Doing zip about it... Personaly I have heart problems, I cannot work due to that, I spent several months making it impossible for RED to run a specific plex, along with some other people in the corp who either are at uni and could fit it in, or took holidays around that time. But its impossible to maintain it for any length of time, people have lives to live. Think you dont understand the scope of what is going on tbh, and unless people have seen it with their own eyes, and watched how its all done cant realy understand it, its very easy to say you can do the same, but unless you get about 200 or more people together, all who dont work and all who share accounts you cant do it, its as simple as that. If you were to watch it, and study it, and try and fight against it you would come to the same conclusion as everyone else does who has, its a big scale ISK selling ring, there are no two ways about it, its a job. Unless you make it your full time job to stop it, youre never going to, the only people who can stop it are CCP themselves. And to say it doesnt effect me is frankly rubbish, it effects every single player in the game, if you cant see how thats the case you need to think a little longer on it. Respect other peoples choices in life? do I respect a rapists decision to *****people? no I do not, do I respect a murders decision to murder people? no I do not, do I respect law breakers? no I do not, do I respect people who break the rules of this game we play? no I do not. If you have heart problem and dont work because of that, I thoink you should not sped your nerves and health on such a harcore game as EVE is either. ;) About possibility to play... As I said before, EVE is hardcore. I think that is why it is unique. I have work. I have GF. I have parent who give me pain in arse when they see me at 4a.m. playing. I dont have money problems and never did. And that is the way most of us live. Only GF and parent change to wife and children. But we do play. You will never get this guys. Most of us live with this freakin game. It is big part of uor life. Non-profit part. Not as you say. Or do you think russia or ukraine is that poor so we all live from eve?? pff. Dont be stupid. I dunno. Maybe someone does. It is just difference between hardcore player who lives in game and a casual player who just whine on hardcore players. EVE ment to be so. And YES I agree that the way plexes are done right now is stupid. And they should be redone. But before they are redone, please dont sound like I dont even know who... Like babies or what. ...but unless you get about 200 or more people together... I never saw a gang of 200 RA going for one plex And what is so bad in account sharing? Is it so bad that I can 99.9% trust my corpmate/friend? About selling ISK. I dont know why you guys always think RUSSIANS are the universal evil... a UNIVERSAL E-BAY EVIL!!! But I think you guys are stuffed with all propoganda you could be stuffed from the times of Cold War between USA and USSR. We are such people as you are. "We Love our children too" (C)Sting ^_^ And belive me. Every time we clear the plex I know where ISK go. Or do you think it is so simple to buy tons of POSes and feed them to be able to fight all the the alliance we are fight against right now? POSes, compensations, fuel.. hmff.. dont be silly. I could continue this list for long. ...Unless you make it your full time job to stop it, youre never going to, the only people who can stop it are CCP themselves... So you want to say that CCP need just to.. i dont know... ban... or what... us becuase you cant make a stand against us??? Or if you are talking about the change of plex system at all... Alright... Do it... But before that as I said, stop whining. ...do I respect people who break the rules of this game we play? no I do not... Is dedicating my life to game a crime?
Kaar Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.13 11:50:00 - [51] Remove complexes. The vast majority of isk from them ends up on ebay. --- ---
Demonica II	Posted - 2006.10.13 11:50:00 - [52] Edited by: Demonica II on 13/10/2006 11:53:17 Originally by: Star Hunter And what is so bad in account sharing? RA dont have 200 people running one complex because that would not be profitable, instead they split them into sizable groups just big enough to beat of any attackers and run multiple complexes all around EVE, except for you have far more than 200 characters involved. Account sharing is against the Eula and you will be banned for doing it if caught.
Star Hunter Gallente RUS-1-UKR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.13 11:51:00 - [53] Originally by: Nebuli Edited by: Nebuli on 13/10/2006 10:24:33 Lay, you made points and I countered them, that was all. And you have to be blind not to see what is going on, I do have proof as it happens, but not that I can use or divulge as it would get a friend into trouble. And as for the prolongued campaign against the coalition, did you not know about the bugged 8/10s? My health problems have no impact on what I can and cant do in the game, was simply pointing out I'm not having a go at people who dont work as you impled as I dont either. Also I suggest you quit your whining about people with legitimate complaints about people, if you dont like to see it dont read, dont presume to know what I know and dont tell me when and where I can and cant post. The comparisons made were extreme, but they were to make a point, someone doing something wrong is still doing something wrong, and I do not respect that even though you seem to think everyone should be respected for every decision they make. Originally by: Nebuli Edited by: Nebuli on 13/10/2006 10:24:33 Lay, you made points and I countered them, that was all. And you have to be blind not to see what is going on, I do have proof as it happens, but not that I can use or divulge as it would get a friend into trouble. And as for the prolongued campaign against the coalition, did you not know about the bugged 8/10s? My health problems have no impact on what I can and cant do in the game, was simply pointing out I'm not having a go at people who dont work as you impled as I dont either. Also I suggest you quit your whining about people with legitimate complaints about people, if you dont like to see it dont read, dont presume to know what I know and dont tell me when and where I can and cant post. The comparisons made were extreme, but they were to make a point, someone doing something wrong is still doing something wrong, and I do not respect that even though you seem to think everyone should be respected for every decision they make. just about 8/10. everyone knew about that. And there were a lot of bug reports on that. And when I once reported on that I was told that there is NO RULES about it and it is not considered a bug and everything is ok. But when it came to forum whining devs fixed it. because boards would just crash of mega whining.
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.10.13 11:52:00 - [54] anyway kali will lead to plexes changing locations , systesm and even consteallations hopefuly regions to with the patch so that will make anyone hogging playing log in log off with plexes and generally farming them about 500% harder Each dt they will need to find em (probably unless u control an entire region) will require u to go thro hostile territory etc - so yeah basically a good move CCP
Star Hunter Gallente RUS-1-UKR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.13 12:01:00 - [55] Originally by: Donna Divine Edited by: Donna Divine on 13/10/2006 10:54:00 Noone will prove the isk selling if they haven't already. (If true at all) However, account sharing is bannable too. Some easy datamining should reveal the hours of play of these characters to be so long and diverse as to exceed the human capability of suppressing sleep. That means ? Exactly. Banzor. I wonder how u prove the account was really shared. maybe Im sitting at my comp and go for cup of tea and ask my friend to watch over my char. Am I gong to be banned for that? I did login with my own hands. And noone will prove anything. Btw I like to leave my character AFK. So you cant really know wether im sleeping or playing. Maybe I'm sleeping and my little bro came in and clicked twice. (I dont have a bro damn)
Star Hunter Gallente RUS-1-UKR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.13 12:08:00 - [56] Originally by: Miss Overlord anyway kali will lead to plexes changing locations , systesm and even consteallations hopefuly regions to with the patch so that will make anyone hogging playing log in log off with plexes and generally farming them about 500% harder Each dt they will need to find em (probably unless u control an entire region) will require u to go thro hostile territory etc - so yeah basically a good move CCP I agree with that. I wonder what will be the next whining step when RA will still do something better that whiners. BTW. I would like to notice. That real RA enemies who have fought us many times and know what we are made of dont whine here. And they know us better than most of people do who say sh!t in here. Because they know what mean to fight and to win or lose. And they respect RA in the way they can and I say "thank you" to them for that. I think that would conclude my smacktaling in here because I can continue forever if not being stopped. Thank you for attention and time. ^^ Have fun guys.
Beringe Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.10.13 12:36:00 - [57] This thread has it all: Whining, alts, alliance envy, sweeping generalisations about entire countries, flames... ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.13 12:42:00 - [58] Please quit with the we are Russians why does everyone hate us, no one mentioned Russians, it has NOTHING to do with race AT ALL, you could be martians for all I care. Would love to know what jobs you all have that allow you to go home for a few hours every day, in the middle of the day to go run complexs all over EVE, thats the job for me, and alot of you seem to have found it. Now you claim I'm not a hardcore gamer? 25 years playing video games, worked in the inductry, was a QA technician for Codemasters when I got ill, play EVE possibly 80-100 hours a week, this has nothing to do with being a hardcore gamer or not. Account sharing, which you more or less admitted to is a bannable offence, read the EULA. Just in case you missed it, this has NOTHING to do with RACE. CEO - Art of War
Nymos Celtic Anarchy Black Reign Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.13 12:55:00 - [59] Originally by: Ingols Look players, this problem was solved some time ago by other MMORPS. It's called "instanced" play areas. Meaning that when a gang goes into the complex, they spawn their own copy of the complex. Another gang can go into the complex and spawn their own copy. Having one corporation / guild / whatever you call it have and maintain control of item drop points is known and has proven to be points of contention between casual players (the bread and butter of the game) and GM's CSR's. When it becomes to burdonsome for the casual player to effectively play the game, then those players are ripe for defection to other mmorpgs. Eve is a great game, attested by the fact that it's growing subscription, despite assumed collusion between player corps and CSR/DEV (for the sake of storyline content and game economy), and quite possible black market ebay ISK selling from same. this game has already enough instancing in form of MISSIONS! it doesnt pop a whole new zone for you, but it creates a deadspace pocket for everyone. complexes are, like real low sec and rich 0.0 systems, conquerable stations, choke points etc, something to fight over. instances reduce the fun of fighting for something. if i know 500 other people run the same instance and get the same stuff, my own achievement would be meaningless (the way i felt in EQ2, but i loved DAoC because of contested everything). also, this is one large server cluster so imagine if everyone spawns their own instance and how many gisti and core-x mods would flood the market. different design than other mmogs, one i like. and instancing does in no way fit in a roleplaying setting. i hope kali fixes the plex whoring, but then... prepare for even more expensive cov ops cloaks if everyone and their dog hops in their cov ops frig to scan for hidden stuff and get popped. --
Obivan Efa The Machines	Posted - 2006.10.13 13:06:00 - [60] Few words... 1. Stop ur empty blaming on E-bay farming or ever breaking EULA by smb here on forum. If u have any FACTs of such things - mailto CCP, If not STFU and don't post here. 2. RA and russian community was here before plexes era and they use game mechanic well all the time. So u can remove plexes or not.. Russians will probably still beat u.. the only thing that can save u from russian treat is allRussianCountryMegaBan by CCP. 3. I belive that any cheater must be banned but also I belive that any slanderer must be banned too. P.S. Eat more vegetables! ____________________________ Die, but perish! - viking's war-cry
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.13 13:11:00 - [61] TBH if there are members of RA that do nothing but sit in a complex waiting for the respawns, all it realy means is they have lost grip on reality rather then being ebil isk farming game ruiners. There are certainly macros for ratting/mining/probably complex running. But the few times ive seen it myself, im more inclined to believe its individual members taking advantage of an alliance/corps status then a big alliance conspiracy. Macro miners usually stay in the NPC corps coz it removes the risk of war decing etc. Simularly id imagine individuals bring along their little bot gang into 0.0 corps/alliaces so they can get access to the juicey pickings out there. Its not a big conspiracy, just some unscruplous individuals. Well thats my view on it anyway. Its true there are companies in the real world that hire ppl to do nothing but play MMOs & make $$$ from selling the ingame currency/items. But i dont think, in EVE at least, its reached a point where major 0.0 corporations/alliances have become players in this business. Such a large operation would be unfeesable on ISK alone & also, despite some ppls claims, pretty hard keep covered up.
xRazoRx	Posted - 2006.10.13 13:13:00 - [62] We prefer farming, not mining so whats wrong with that huh? P.S.: Btw, who said we r RA?
Pepperami Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.13 13:32:00 - [63] Originally by: Kaar Remove complexes. The vast majority of isk from them ends up on ebay. Kaar is right. Scrap complexes. Maybe replace them with lvl 5 mission agents or something.
Pepperami Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.13 13:45:00 - [64] Originally by: Obivan Efa Few words... 1. Stop ur empty blaming on E-bay farming or ever breaking EULA by smb here on forum. If u have any FACTs of such things - mailto CCP, If not STFU and don't post here. You think that doesn't happen? Have you ever tried to get CCP to stop macro'ers, ebays, reloggers (the ones that make your ship warp when logged off).. Have you ever succesfully had an exploit acknowledged and delt with? No, generally exploits go ignored untill there's massive threads on these forums, and then it's months before the problems are solved. And that is simple fact to eve. Of course you could just be fanboi and tell people to stfu and pretend eve is perfect. Originally by: Obivan Efa 2. RA and russian community was here before plexes era and they use game mechanic well all the time. So u can remove plexes or not.. Russians will probably still beat u.. the only thing that can save u from russian treat is allRussianCountryMegaBan by CCP. I'm not aware this was the topic? I hate any subject about RA because someone always comes in and says this topic is racist/about how much they pwn, but it's not, it rarely is. It's just derailing the thread and flamebaiting. If the topic really was about either of those two things it would of and should of been locked on sight, but it wasn't so stop bringing it up please? KTHX. And another note, someone said envy - that people are envious of others running complexes, that's just complete ignorance - a large proportion of people who comment on how bad the state of complexes are in no way envious of the isk, or the experience - they have/had/don't want both. They're just ****ed that the game is broken, and it's a mission to raise anything genuine on this forum because of the vast amount of crap and the instant fanbois who know nothing about the topics. (escrow macros? There wasn't any untill people wouldn't STFU about them, and guess what appeared! Well done)
Demonica II	Posted - 2006.10.13 13:48:00 - [65] Edited by: Demonica II on 13/10/2006 13:48:04 Originally by: Obivan Efa Few words... 1. Stop ur empty blaming on E-bay farming or ever breaking EULA by smb here on forum. If u have any FACTs of such things - mailto CCP, If not STFU and don't post here. 2. RA and russian community was here before plexes era and they use game mechanic well all the time. So u can remove plexes or not.. Russians will probably still beat u.. the only thing that can save u from russian treat is allRussianCountryMegaBan by CCP. 3. I belive that any cheater must be banned but also I belive that any slanderer must be banned too. P.S. Eat more vegetables! You want proof? Go look at the 100s of billions of isk being sold on ebay every week, theres your proof that this is happening. Where do you think this isk is coming from, out of thin air perhaps? I think not.
zerospace 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.13 13:55:00 - [66] Originally by: Demonica II Edited by: Demonica II on 13/10/2006 13:48:04 Originally by: Obivan Efa Few words... 1. Stop ur empty blaming on E-bay farming or ever breaking EULA by smb here on forum. If u have any FACTs of such things - mailto CCP, If not STFU and don't post here. 2. RA and russian community was here before plexes era and they use game mechanic well all the time. So u can remove plexes or not.. Russians will probably still beat u.. the only thing that can save u from russian treat is allRussianCountryMegaBan by CCP. 3. I belive that any cheater must be banned but also I belive that any slanderer must be banned too. P.S. Eat more vegetables! You want proof? Go look at the 100s of billions of isk being sold on ebay every week, theres your proof that this is happening. Where do you think this isk is coming from, out of thin air perhaps? I think not. :) ccp should first ban all american/western europe rich kids that are buying isk on ebay no demand, no russians/chinese/who ever selling it Ready for your deadtime story ?
Razin	Posted - 2006.10.13 14:00:00 - [67] Originally by: Nebuli Not everyone can dedicate their entire lives to a plex spawn timer. Some people have jobs, you know, where they actualy leave the house and go to a place of work, not log into a game. The dedicated will always have the advantage over the dabblers, be it in a game or RL. While RL situation may be out of your reach, you can always try to organize a player campaign to force CCP to remove any EVE content that gives the dedicated player the edge. (Or you may go the route of the OP and ask for the dedicated players to be removed, your choice) ...
Obivan Efa The Machines	Posted - 2006.10.13 14:17:00 - [68] Originally by: Demonica II Edited by: Demonica II on 13/10/2006 13:48:04 You want proof? Go look at the 100s of billions of isk being sold on ebay every week, theres your proof that this is happening. Where do you think this isk is coming from, out of thin air perhaps? I think not. It's not a proof... Name exact chars and alts and place exact proofs of their illegal activity. Mail it to GM's if it will not work to CCP tops. But don't say empty common blames here... U don't tell any new things. Where are isk coming? Let me see... Agent missions NPC bounty Trade Production Loot Plexes hmm year and MINING...ICE MINING, LOW ORE MINING, 0.0 MINING... MINING, MINING, MINING... For those who didn't get it from the first time I'll repeat M I N I N G ____________________________ Die, but perish! - viking's war-cry
Sunshang	Posted - 2006.10.13 14:19:00 - [69] The whole 'RA are farmers' thing stems from thier days in CA when they would isolate themselves in Cache, strip it dry and purportedly sell the isk on ebay. Whether its true or not, the 'farmer' tag has stayed with them ever since. But if you have no proof you really shouldn't start threads liek this, have you considered that they maybe just like complexes?
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.13 14:21:00 - [70] The should just make the plexes more unpredictable, like when and where. The problem is the 'farmability' with alts. People know, when the respawn is, log to their alt, warp from their pos or deepsafe to the complex, rush through the first stage and then they have the plex. And after that they log off again on their deepsafe and play their main and that goes on and on. Make it unpredictable and I suppose the alt-farming 3 times a day is gone. Having a break from EVE until my broadband connection is working again.
Lord WarATron Amarr Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.13 14:24:00 - [71] Let us just summerise. Ebayers are of all nationalities. The EIB scammer for example, got caught, and he was british aparently. Macro Miners and Farmers account for perhaps the lowest amount of ebay money. These guys break the EULA by having a program automate mining, or get around it by having 20 accounts open all being run by 1 person (ice mining for example). Either way, the selling on ebay process is against the EULA. The Next stage of ebayers are the lvl4 runners. All they do is run lvl4's non stop in perfect safety and ebay the proceeds. In this category also is the 0.0 farmer ratters. These guys either remain corpless or join a random alliance, find a bit of space and rat 23/7. Losing a ship or two means nothing, as many of these use macro's to rat. I guess you can include a random 0.0 miner that sell ore to get isk to ebay as well in this category. The next stage is the scammers. People scamming to get isk and ebaying the proceeds. With exception of the EIB scammer, this is the 2nd most profitable method to make isk, and requires good language skills. Nuff said. The Final and Highist stage is in fact complex's - The sheer volume of isk that can be made is pheonominal and goes into billions per day per complex. Organised mafia style squads can make a fortune just by running these complex's and selling the isk. Who needs to sell drugs? The main problem, and I am not going to name the 2 alliance's that abuse this, is that complex's are a easy source of isk and the way they are developed means that once past the keyholder, you are pretty much invincible inside. Perhaps removing complex's are the answer... perhaps not - But one thing is certain - You can be pretty sure that these two alliances that abuse & ebay gear, will be comping every booster spot when Kali comes out :) --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
Helmut 314 Amarr J.H.E.N.R Pure.	Posted - 2006.10.13 14:35:00 - [72] Like The Enslaver says, theres a simple solution to the plexfarming issue. Just make them move in the region when completed and noone can camp them anymore. That will also benefit gameplay a lot as there will be a use for explorers and survey crews. The current state of things is silly. ________________________________ Trying is the first step of failure - Homer J Simpson
Fubear	Posted - 2006.10.13 14:40:00 - [73] Bob have an ALT corp that farms the 10/10 complex in Outer Ring. The money obviously doesn't go to their wallets, what else could they be doing with that amount of ISK other than sell it on EBAY
DukDodgerz Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.13 14:46:00 - [74] Originally by: Razin Originally by: Nebuli Not everyone can dedicate their entire lives to a plex spawn timer. Some people have jobs, you know, where they actualy leave the house and go to a place of work, not log into a game. The dedicated will always have the advantage over the dabblers, be it in a game or RL. While RL situation may be out of your reach, you can always try to organize a player campaign to force CCP to remove any EVE content that gives the dedicated player the edge. (Or you may go the route of the OP and ask for the dedicated players to be removed, your choice) simple way to make ccp take notice of dissatisfaction with how they ignore the exploiters is to just click the cancel button. Write in the comment/reason box that you as a honest PAYING customer will not support a company that chooses exploiters over honest players, simply due to the subscriptions the exploiters pay for (using $$$ gained by the ebay selling of isk and items) or....use your isk to buy gtc's, and never spend a penny on the game again...(oh ya, thats what the exploiters do....) CCP has the notation on the cancel page that says you can rejoin later if you so desire....
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.13 14:49:00 - [75] Originally by: Fubear Bob have an ALT corp that farms the 10/10 complex in Outer Ring. The money obviously doesn't go to their wallets, what else could they be doing with that amount of ISK other than sell it on EBAY One whole complex CEO - Art of War
Razin	Posted - 2006.10.13 15:00:00 - [76] Originally by: DukDodgerz simple way to make ccp take notice of dissatisfaction with how they ignore the exploiters is to just click the cancel button. Write in the comment/reason box that you as a honest PAYING customer will not support a company that chooses exploiters over honest players, simply due to the subscriptions the exploiters pay for (using $$$ gained by the ebay selling of isk and items) or....use your isk to buy gtc's, and never spend a penny on the game again...(oh ya, thats what the exploiters do....) CCP has the notation on the cancel page that says you can rejoin later if you so desire.... I havenÆt seen any real proof of any exploiting in this thread (or other threads on this specific subject), only coy allegations. The subject here is dedicated vs. casual play. If you canÆt handle someone being better then you, stay away from competitive activities. ...
Sister 9 Phung Hoang Social Club	Posted - 2006.10.13 15:02:00 - [77] personally i think, it's time CCP clamped down on people making questionable racist remarks. i am not from Russia myself, England, but i'm sick and tired of reading peoples' posts which pigeon hole Russian and Chinese players with narrow minded misconceptions. I'm sure there are Russian and Chinese macro farmers and ISK sellers, but i'm equally sure there are plenty of ones in Europe and North American. Who is buying this ISK anyway? The blame goes both ways.
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.13 15:09:00 - [78] Edited by: Nebuli on 13/10/2006 15:10:51 Originally by: Sister 9 personally i think, it's time CCP clamped down on people making questionable racist remarks. i am not from Russia myself, England, but i'm sick and tired of reading peoples' posts which pigeon hole Russian and Chinese players with narrow minded misconceptions. I'm sure there are Russian and Chinese macro farmers and ISK sellers, but i'm equally sure there are plenty of ones in Europe and North American. Who is buying this ISK anyway? The blame goes both ways. Where is this racism every troll keaps coming in and whinging about, where is it? show me please. There is NO RACISM in this thread. CEO - Art of War
Kindro DeCapo	Posted - 2006.10.13 15:10:00 - [79] i see alot of Red have no lifes, but it seems quite realistic that they have a macro that can logonto eve at cetrain times warp to a place active tank and systamaticly kill everything.
heidrun Black Nebula Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.13 15:13:00 - [80] just the moron OP that stating that everyone in russia is poor and play to make isk to feed theire kids typical uneducated american and theire conception of the world statement and LMFAO at whining about someone hugging the complex so you cant run it
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.13 15:17:00 - [81] Edited by: Nebuli on 13/10/2006 15:19:44 Originally by: heidrun just the moron OP that stating that everyone in russia is poor and play to make isk to feed theire kids typical uneducated american and theire conception of the world statement and LMFAO at whining about someone hugging the complex so you cant run it Erm, he didnt say any of that Your post is the closest to racism in this thread...... CEO - Art of War
Razin	Posted - 2006.10.13 15:26:00 - [82] Originally by: Nebuli Edited by: Nebuli on 13/10/2006 15:19:44 Originally by: heidrun just the moron OP that stating that everyone in russia is poor and play to make isk to feed theire kids typical uneducated american and theire conception of the world statement and LMFAO at whining about someone hugging the complex so you cant run it Erm, he didnt say any of that Neither did the OP write anything about his bitterness or his feelings of inferiority towards those who, despite his preconceived notions, are better then he is. But those things are obviously implied by the number of threads on this subject opened by him. ...
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.10.13 15:28:00 - [83] You know, I'm curious. Now that the 8/10 plex bug is fixed, can we talk about what exactly it was that made them so lucrative? I never caught what the actual bug was, but I don't want to get banned for inquiring about a (now-dead) 'sploit =P ---------------------------- Remember, killing a Goon isn't murder. They don't have souls.
d026 Herrscher der Zeit	Posted - 2006.10.13 15:34:00 - [84] CCP should just sell isk themselves at lower price than on ebay.. problem solved:) To the subject, as long a s the oversser spawns are not bugged i dont see any problem ra farming ALL complexes in the entire universe. Anyway im still not happy how plexes work at the moment.

Eldo Davip Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.10.13 15:40:00 - [85] 1. Trolling/Flaming already. Not allowed. 2. Trying to bypass Corporation, Alliance and Organization Discussions rules by posting Corp discussion content as alt - not allowed. Thread Locked click ___ Email Us (Report a bad post) \| Forum Rules - Read 'em! \| Website


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