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CCP Lebowski C C P C C P Alliance 481	Posted - 2015.03.02 17:26:51 - [1] - Quote Afternoon Space Friends, Another quick post here to let you know of a change Five-0 have ready for testing on Singularity. When Scylla is released, the default CSPA charge for newly created characters will default to 0 ISK instead of 2950 ISK. For any existing characters that have their CSPA charge still at the default of 2950 ISK, the charge will also be changed to 0 ISK. Characters that have chosen to set their charge to any other value will be unaffected. All characters can still configure this setting as normal (via the Settings option in the Mail window). In general, we want to be enabling social interaction in EVE rather than blocking it. The anti-spam value of this feature did not outweigh the downsides of requiring players (especially new players) to pay in order to talk to each other. Most experienced players already change their CSPA charge to 0, so we do not expect this change to negatively affect a large number of players. As always we're looking for feedback (in this thread) and reports on any issues found (using the in-game bug reporting tool) with this change. Thanks in advance! CCP Lebowski \| EVE Quality Assurance \| Team Five-0 @CCP_Lebowski

Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 4987	Posted - 2015.03.02 17:35:00 - [2] - Quote \o/ Woo! CSM 9! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Darkblad Hilf Dir selbst in EVE 760	Posted - 2015.03.02 17:35:11 - [3] - Quote Finally! Thank you EVE Infolinks GÇó Mining Handbuch GÇó Colortags/Timer
Sugar Kyle Snuff Box Snuffed Out 991	Posted - 2015.03.02 17:35:49 - [4] - Quote We did ask about raising the limits to but :P Member of CSM9 - CSM9 Weekly Updates Running for CSMX - ReElect Sugar Kyle Low Sec Lifestyle - An Eve Blog @Sugar_Kyle
Morwen Lagann Tyrathlion Interstellar 1509	Posted - 2015.03.02 17:36:20 - [5] - Quote Yay! Now all we need the CSPA charge to actually go into people's wallets instead of into the void. (And remove the upper limit.) Also: the CSPA charge should only be taken when the conversation is accepted, not when the request is made. Morwen Lagann CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar Owner, The Golden Masque
Mike Azariah The Scope Gallente Federation 2527	Posted - 2015.03.02 17:37:12 - [6] - Quote As someone who chats with a LOT of Rookies. About time and Thank You m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
GeeShizzle MacCloud 521	Posted - 2015.03.02 17:39:26 - [7] - Quote Another change firmly in the Win column! well played!
Altrue Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective 1644	Posted - 2015.03.02 17:56:26 - [8] - Quote @CSM: Stop slacking on the forums and validade the damn devblog!! Given the number of people telling everyone to set the CSPA at 0, this is definitely a good change. I just hope it doesn't comes with an increase in the number of spam bots. Signature Tanking Best Tanking
KIller Wabbit The Scope Gallente Federation 878	Posted - 2015.03.02 17:59:59 - [9] - Quote Thank goodness. The cost and annoyance of helping rookies gets fixed. CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff CSM .. CCP Shills with a vacation plan
Kossaw Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion 120	Posted - 2015.03.02 18:06:32 - [10] - Quote Morwen Lagann wrote: Yay! Now all we need the CSPA charge to actually go into people's wallets instead of into the void. (And remove the upper limit.) Also: the CSPA charge should only be taken when the conversation is accepted, not when the request is made. ^^ This. All of this. WTB : An image in my signature

Phoenix Jones Isogen 5 1109	Posted - 2015.03.02 18:21:17 - [11] - Quote Wait... The ISk doesn't go to the player... Hahaha oh lord..... That's just so sad it's funny. Yaay!!!!
Suitonia Genos Occidere Warlords of the Deep 463	Posted - 2015.03.02 18:31:26 - [12] - Quote Great change Contributer to Eve is Easy: https://www.youtube.com/user/eveiseasy/videos Solo PvP is possible with a 20 day old character! :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvOB4KXYk-o
Sir Livingston Club Deadspace 328	Posted - 2015.03.02 18:47:21 - [13] - Quote Finally EVE Online videos to inform and inspire http://www.youtube.com/JonnyPew
Wrik Hoover Hoover Inc. Pandemic Legion 105	Posted - 2015.03.02 18:52:02 - [14] - Quote bad idea
Darkblad Hilf Dir selbst in EVE 762	Posted - 2015.03.02 18:59:26 - [15] - Quote Morwen Lagann wrote: Now all we need the CSPA charge to actually go into people's wallets instead of into the void. (And remove the upper limit.) Not that much of a creative way to scam people, or is it? But that's what this would be used for the minute TQ is live after patch deployment. EVE Infolinks GÇó Mining Handbuch GÇó Colortags/Timer
Moxy Algaert Running with Dogs Nerfed Alliance Go Away 0	Posted - 2015.03.02 19:05:17 - [16] - Quote Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Liner Xiandra Sparks Inc 360	Posted - 2015.03.02 19:06:29 - [17] - Quote Morwen Lagann wrote: Yay! Now all we need the CSPA charge to actually go into people's wallets instead of into the void. (And remove the upper limit.) Also: the CSPA charge should only be taken when the conversation is accepted, not when the request is made. This please.
Agata Black Minami no Kantai 2	Posted - 2015.03.02 19:07:33 - [18] - Quote Sugar Kyle wrote: We did ask about raising the limits to but :P Aww... I was hoping it was this when I opened the thread. But fair enough, I hope it work out as intended.
Messenger Of Truth Butlerian Crusade 1	Posted - 2015.03.02 19:10:00 - [19] - Quote Phoenix Jones wrote: Wait... The ISk doesn't go to the player... If the isk goes to the player then the game is paying/incentivising people to put up a communication block. If you don't have a CSPA charge then you are earning less money than you could be and playing sub-optimally. Having the money go to the player would be an unmitigated disaster and would harm the game. The current system of the money disappearing out of the game is the only reasonable approach for this feature.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 16155	Posted - 2015.03.02 19:34:18 - [20] - Quote CCP Lebowski wrote: Afternoon Space Friends, Another quick post here to let you know of a change Five-0 have ready for testing on Singularity. When Scylla is released, the default CSPA charge for newly created characters will default to 0 ISK instead of 2950 ISK. For any existing characters that have their CSPA charge still at the default of 2950 ISK, the charge will also be changed to 0 ISK. Characters that have chosen to set their charge to any other value will be unaffected. All characters can still configure this setting as normal (via the Settings option in the Mail window). In general, we want to be enabling social interaction in EVE rather than blocking it. The anti-spam value of this feature did not outweigh the downsides of requiring players (especially new players) to pay in order to talk to each other. Most experienced players already change their CSPA charge to 0, so we do not expect this change to negatively affect a large number of players. As always we're looking for feedback (in this thread) and reports on any issues found (using the in-game bug reporting tool) with this change. Thanks in advance! Finally. Spam hasn't been a problem for a long while. Thanks for this change. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"


Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire 14051	Posted - 2015.03.02 19:38:19 - [21] - Quote Good change! GÿàGÿàGÿà Secure 3rd party service GÿàGÿàGÿà Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' Twitter @Chribba

Phoenix Jones Isogen 5 1109	Posted - 2015.03.02 19:41:14 - [22] - Quote Messenger Of Truth wrote: Phoenix Jones wrote: Wait... The ISk doesn't go to the player... If the isk goes to the player then the game is paying/incentivising people to put up a communication block. If you don't have a CSPA charge then you are earning less money than you could be and playing sub-optimally. Having the money go to the player would be an unmitigated disaster and would harm the game. The current system of the money disappearing out of the game is the only reasonable approach for this feature. Very sound post. Thank you for the explanation. Makes sense now. Yaay!!!!
Longinius Spear Isogen 5 287	Posted - 2015.03.02 19:43:56 - [23] - Quote Could we please take this opportunity to change the MAX we could set thee CSPA charge? 1 million isn't enough. Lets set it at 1billion please, I don't like being bothered by plebs. Read more of my ramblings on my blog www.invadingyourhole.blogspot.com
Daniel Jackson Liandri Sanctuary Corps Liandri Covenant 184	Posted - 2015.03.02 19:55:30 - [24] - Quote thank you! ive spent millions and millions possibly 100mil + on chatting to rookies, thank you soo much I Vote YES! for Downloadable HI-RES Textures!!!!
War Kitten Panda McLegion 5903	Posted - 2015.03.02 19:57:48 - [25] - Quote Nice little change there, good show! I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
Kazvon Saken HC - Fatal Mining Encounter Aporkalypse Now 0	Posted - 2015.03.02 20:01:15 - [26] - Quote Finally.
Bienator II madmen of the skies 3194	Posted - 2015.03.02 20:11:10 - [27] - Quote will the mystery be ever lifted why it was 2950 ISK in the first place? how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Axloth Okiah Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 588	Posted - 2015.03.02 20:32:58 - [28] - Quote awesome W-Space Realtor
Cpt Patrick Archer Quam Singulari Northern Associates. 28	Posted - 2015.03.02 20:47:52 - [29] - Quote Good idea! I cant even count the number of times where I had to explain a newbie how change that. Setting up fleets will never be the same :p
Stune Khai Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.03.02 21:45:33 - [30] - Quote Good change, but are there other ways to prevent spam?

Khador Vess Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 246	Posted - 2015.03.02 22:28:03 - [31] - Quote On behalf of everyone who processes corp applications THANK YOU Khador Vess For CSM X - The Not So Bitter Vet Choice
Erufen Rito The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 360	Posted - 2015.03.02 22:36:06 - [32] - Quote Altrue wrote: @CSM: Stop slacking on the forums and validade the damn devblog!! Given the number of people telling everyone to set the CSPA at 0, this is definitely a good change. I just hope it doesn't comes with an increase in the number of spam bots. Idk about you, but across 5 accounts, all ranging from 5 years to a few weeks old, I've never encountered spam bot issues. I would, however, find that every rookie I could potentially recruit, had their CSPA turned on, which was annoying to say the least. This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165
Brink Albosa Brink's Bar 85	Posted - 2015.03.02 22:52:25 - [33] - Quote It's a good change.
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 4776	Posted - 2015.03.02 23:47:00 - [34] - Quote Good change. If RMT spam becomes an issue like it was in the past this can be reassessed. Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
Sleightz Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 12	Posted - 2015.03.02 23:50:09 - [35] - Quote Sounds good. Makes sense to me. RIP "How to turn off your CSPA charge" gif. You served me well. o7 Twitter \| www.tricksofthetrades.net
Valterra Craven 516	Posted - 2015.03.03 00:50:56 - [36] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Spam hasn't been a problem for a long while. Well, that really depends on how you define spam. Chat request spam likely not. Local spam... well I'm lookin at you Jita...
Jane Shapperd SUPERFLUOUS WANDERLUST Gentlemen's.Club 122	Posted - 2015.03.03 01:06:00 - [37] - Quote at last , its ******* annoying to pay isk every time u invite new people to fleet when they x up for it .
Stefan Silviu Knowledge is Money - Money is Power 7	Posted - 2015.03.03 01:06:44 - [38] - Quote is not about the isk , is bout pressing ok on popup message good change
Code2200 Guardians Descendants LOADED-DICE 3	Posted - 2015.03.03 02:38:16 - [39] - Quote YES FINALLY!!!! Now we don't have to explain how to change it to newbies! o7
Malcolm Faust Soldiers of Cthulhu 14	Posted - 2015.03.03 03:08:15 - [40] - Quote Very not bad

Syri Taneka NOVA-CAINE 112	Posted - 2015.03.03 04:30:28 - [41] - Quote "Hell, it's about time."
Jon Hellguard X-COM 26	Posted - 2015.03.03 07:10:33 - [42] - Quote CCP Lebowski wrote: Afternoon Space Friends, When Scylla is released, the default CSPA charge for newly created characters will default to 0 ISK instead of 2950 ISK. admit it, it did take you longer to write this post than implement the change - did it? :D jokes aside - easy win. o7
drummendejef maaktnietuit Active Fusion ArK Alliance 23	Posted - 2015.03.03 09:43:53 - [43] - Quote Not a bad idea, never saw the real use of it anyway.
Sulindra Aliastra Gallente Federation 23	Posted - 2015.03.03 12:27:08 - [44] - Quote How about you also make it so that those of us who set a change actually get the isk in our wallet as a fee for dealing with stupidity instead of it going into the ether or npc land.
Koebmand Silverflames 25	Posted - 2015.03.03 13:39:07 - [45] - Quote If it is changed so the player gets the money, then it will only create spam. 50000 spambots will constantly spam every player in Eve every 2 minutes to hope to get some replies.
Annah Sun-Scape Temet Nosce Ex Astra 10	Posted - 2015.03.03 16:43:53 - [46] - Quote That was antispam feature? lol If you want to help us with spam then make chat checkbox with OPTIONAL BLOCKING TRIAL ACCOUNTS IN LOCAL CHAT Easy way to force scammers to pay you
Aleczi Volikov The Scope Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.03.04 11:18:33 - [47] - Quote Morwen Lagann wrote: Yay! Now all we need the CSPA charge to actually go into people's wallets instead of into the void. (And remove the upper limit.) Also: the CSPA charge should only be taken when the conversation is accepted, not when the request is made. +1 to the 'also'. CSPA charge should only be taken when the conversation is accepted. The first would just be begging for lazy scams.
Hardcore Nightmare The Scope Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2015.03.05 13:56:10 - [48] - Quote Didn't we wait for like...eight years for this?
Alvatore DiMarco Capricious Endeavours Ltd 3560	Posted - 2015.03.08 10:36:54 - [49] - Quote The CSPA does need to have its limit raised. If you can't make it 1b or 100m, then 10m will do. 1m ISK is chicken feed.
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 129	Posted - 2015.03.09 02:38:45 - [50] - Quote I like the change (my CSPA is 0 and I ranted about it every time I had to pay it to talk with other people). However, I am rather disturbed that some people I would rather choke are also liking it. Also, everyone asking for CSPA to go into their wallets, and raising its limit, is going to be noted in my ledger of rancor. A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.

Alexis Nightwish 126	Posted - 2015.03.10 21:40:42 - [51] - Quote Malcanis wrote: CCP Lebowski wrote: Afternoon Space Friends, Another quick post here to let you know of a change Five-0 have ready for testing on Singularity. When Scylla is released, the default CSPA charge for newly created characters will default to 0 ISK instead of 2950 ISK. For any existing characters that have their CSPA charge still at the default of 2950 ISK, the charge will also be changed to 0 ISK. Characters that have chosen to set their charge to any other value will be unaffected. All characters can still configure this setting as normal (via the Settings option in the Mail window). In general, we want to be enabling social interaction in EVE rather than blocking it. The anti-spam value of this feature did not outweigh the downsides of requiring players (especially new players) to pay in order to talk to each other. Most experienced players already change their CSPA charge to 0, so we do not expect this change to negatively affect a large number of players. As always we're looking for feedback (in this thread) and reports on any issues found (using the in-game bug reporting tool) with this change. Thanks in advance! Finally. Spam hasn't been a problem for a long while. Thanks for this change. I'm curious if it hasn't been a problem because of, or despite the CSPA. I guess we'll find out! CCP only approaches a problem in one of two ways: nudge or cludge EVE Online's "I win!" Button
Lyric Masters KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2	Posted - 2015.04.01 16:53:17 - [52] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: I like the change (my CSPA is 0 and I ranted about it every time I had to pay it to talk with other people). However, I am rather disturbed that some people I would rather choke are also liking it. Also, everyone asking for CSPA to go into their wallets, and raising its limit, is going to be noted in my ledger of rancor. Why? It's a useless mechanic as it stands. If you don't want to speak to random pubbies, you can block all unknown characters. If someone is dumb enough to pay 1B ISK to talk to me, that's their problem, not mine. Why should CCP get to take money out of the market if my loving and beautiful pirate personality can extract it? It has absolutely zero use as a mechanic as it stands right now.
Jack Rinjakka Oven Industries 2	Posted - 2015.04.13 01:00:51 - [53] - Quote Morwen Lagann wrote: Yay! Now all we need the CSPA charge to actually go into people's wallets instead of into the void. (And remove the upper limit.) Also: the CSPA charge should only be taken when the conversation is accepted, not when the request is made. I agree with the accepted/requested part. I don't think the wallet thing should be implemented because the charge is more like a personally set tax. Also, people could easily exploit the ability to suck money out of people who are trying to talk to them.


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