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Posted - 2015.03.03 16:34:19 -
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well i've no reason to have my 0.0 characters anymore. I can sell my isk making toons and be a super rich frigate pilot and save -ú70 a month on accounts, so good on that respect.
Bad because there will be no narrative to the combat in 0.0, its become world of tanks in space with lots of not really connected instance fights that will be between frigates and ships not really worth hunting. Im glad that CCp kept with its tradition of not actually thinking about the value of gameplay and instead decided that a t1 frigate must be able to do everything
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Posted - 2015.03.03 17:02:01 -
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Why is no one else concerned that GM's are once again playing in and influencing sov warfare with hidden alts.
Cause that went so well before in BoB, didint it!
'Oi Fozzie im poor, spawn me an officer in this belt please'
'Oi Fozziee, Have a look on that ccp graph and tell me the best t3's to build over a 6 month period'
'Oi Fozzie, Develop me a sov system that breaks the current gameplay cause im too lazy to try to take sov and invest me time right now'
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Posted - 2015.03.03 17:17:14 -
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Princess Cherista wrote:LOL @ groups who just spent years and trillions of isk to build a supercap fleet, that job will be done by interceptors now 
You'll have to lol a bit louder as im sure many of them willl leave the game and cant hear you from whichever game they are now playing. |

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Posted - 2015.03.03 17:37:16 -
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To the CSM. Did you really endorse this?
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Posted - 2015.03.03 17:42:43 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Proton Stars wrote:To the CSM. Did you really endorse this?
They know about this
Sure, but did they as our elected representatives stand up and say yes this is great, or did they try to punch Fozzie in the face for being so stupid? |

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Posted - 2015.03.03 18:02:44 -
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claw, 10mn mwd, snakes, 249km mod.
20k m/s. good luck keeping up or applying webs long enough with a cruiser gang |

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Posted - 2015.03.03 18:26:05 -
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M1k3y Koontz wrote:virm pasuul wrote:Lots of tears in this thread. You should consider buying a crying permit before James sets his sights on 0.0.
The insults to the devs are a bit off. Try being more constructive and using more reasoning. A level headed post?! Not in my EVE Online! Seriously though, this thread is General Discussion bad.
and the major em pires are yet to get involved!
When PL and goons decide which side of the line they sit on, thats when eve goes full retardo |

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Posted - 2015.03.03 22:49:27 -
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Funny thing is, all the isk space will still be taken. Cfc can defend their moons with capfleets and any system of worth will keep it's original occupiers.
Just all the 0.0-0.1 **** space that no one gives a **** about will change hands, bankrupting those who invest in it.
The more I look, the more ******** these changes are. |

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Posted - 2015.03.03 23:29:04 -
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Ha, alliances are going to have to ration fa fest atendees! If too many fc's go they won't have space to come home to in 2016. |

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Posted - 2015.03.03 23:31:09 -
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Also why on earth are fcon defending this? They'll be wiped off the map quicker than a *** stain in a nudey booth |

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Posted - 2015.03.04 00:24:49 -
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I'm not a 100+ mil sp player, but if I was id be pissed. |

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Posted - 2015.03.04 00:40:28 -
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Hairpins Blueprint wrote:Proton Stars wrote:I'm not a 100+ mil sp player, but if I was id be pissed. And way is that, :) Those are best moves ccp could do to sov. Only thing that hurts is that you can't dock supers. If you could dock Supers and Titans in station, no one would give a fuc* i think maybe Bring Tracking Titans back :DD?? Hmmm That would be fun would it not? they can't win the sov war with those now any way xD Also it would not hurst with Fighter bombers could shoot Pos's now ;/ Make them less usles Plzzzzz
Bring back AOE doomsdays. Because it makes as much sense as the rest of these changes |

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Posted - 2015.03.04 00:42:46 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:Cr Turist wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:Brother Mercury wrote:This patch makes it nearly worthless (save for POS BASH) to log in supers or dreads. j
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FYI: Supers can use gates now. FYI: Part of the new Sov System requires being able to move around. You can do this slowly in a heavy fleet (with capital support), or quickly in a more agile, but weaker fleet. Adapt or die. FYI: Supers were designed to be anti-capital ships, not I-win buttons against all fleets. Why would anyone use capitals after this patch i think is the real question. BS gangs use Triage Carriers for support. Enemy escalates with dreads to kill triage. You re-escalate with supers to kill capitals... Dreads will also be used to RF POS's. There is a use, they just won't be used as much for capturing stations and destroying IHUBs.
In none of those situations would you choose to drop caps over dropping more ishtars. Because apha'ing fleets is still very possible and triage carrier would die eventually.
Also bombers>dreads for pos
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Posted - 2015.03.04 00:46:21 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:You people mean to tell me that, in all your infinite loophole finding, game breaking ways of abusing mechanics, it's completely impossible to kill a piece of paper going 11km/s? Surely some warp bubbles to shut off the MWD and some well timed bombs would make short work of an Interceptor?
Ceptors can't get bubbled you fool.
Also no one is suggesting 1 ceptors to rule them all but instead 30-40 of them to re-enforce a whole region in roughly 40mins |

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Posted - 2015.03.04 00:54:30 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Align Planet1 wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:You people mean to tell me that, in all your infinite loophole finding, game breaking ways of abusing mechanics, it's completely impossible to kill a piece of paper going 11km/s? Surely some warp bubbles to shut off the MWD and some well timed bombs would make short work of an Interceptor? Bubbles shut off MWD's? News to me. no but linked true sansha scrams on a lechasis doo.
Your gasp of game mechanics and meta is so great you too should work for ccp. |

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Posted - 2015.03.04 01:01:04 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Proton Stars wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Align Planet1 wrote:
Bubbles shut off MWD's?
News to me.
no but linked true sansha scrams on a lechasis doo. Your gasp of game mechanics and meta is so great you too should work for ccp. why thank you kind sir who in no way is being facetious
My opinion that you are as clueless as current gm's was not only sincere but heartfelt too.
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Posted - 2015.03.04 01:02:59 -
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Talbrys Narentyr wrote:All they're doing is making it even more aids to take a system, and practically impossible to do anything outside of your own TZ.
All you need is a cloud of interceptors with the t2 (250km range one) loaded up with sebos and a mwd and orbit far enough away so you can't smartbomb the blob and keep traversal up. Get a few fleets of these (only need 30 or so duders in each), load in some benny hill music and glhf.
It's not so much you can't kill the interceptors, as much as killing a single fleet of 30 interceptors before 10-40 minutes is a pain in the ****. Now look at killing 10 fleets of them reinforcing all your **** in a region and this mechanic is insanely annoying and most of the targets will get reinforced anyway.
This strategy also favors the larger alliances in that the smaller ones won't be able to chase down the masses of intys the larger ones can throw at a region so I don't get why so many of these small alliances are looking forward to this thinking they will be able to hold space.
From the other devblog" We are well aware that Nullsec empires have mastered the strategy of weaponizing their opponentGÇÖs boredom" so now we'll give you a way to weaponize your opponent's frustration. This will lead to quicker burn out than blueballing.
Quoting because it's the first bit of sense for 10 pages, my own posts included. |

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Posted - 2015.03.04 01:36:09 -
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Talbrys Narentyr wrote:Eli Apol wrote:Gypsien Agittain wrote:Zip Slings wrote:To address what seem to be the most common complaints people are having...
1. "OMG Interceptors will just win forever and stuff!"
First, no interceptor can target out to 250km. Stop saying this nonsense. A single fleet of Rapid Light Caracals will deal with an Interceptor gang.
If you think anything can engage a ceptor gang, then you don't play the game or have a relevant cognitive disability. If you think an interceptor can lock out to 250km and also have insta warp and also have any kind of combat ability then.... Yeah. He literally never said any of those things.
But if he did I'm sure he'd just point to a mobile depot. Sure can't do all at the same time, but can do all... |

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Posted - 2015.03.04 02:21:30 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Dear CCP Fozzie, I suggest making the tosser module a default warpable item in overview like cynos.
Can you also make the tosser module eject pods from their ship? Ship sov contests would be fun.
Ha! Tosser module. And like the model T ford.... |

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Rain6637 wrote:So the best way to take sov is by constellation-wide deployments. heh. I thought one of the main premises was allowing sov to be local to a system?
FC was the old hotness, now there will be a CC or Constellation Coordinator?
Anyone would think they are trying to boost large alliance groups like goons |

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Posted - 2015.03.04 03:23:30 -
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I have now actively posted in this thread for just under 3 prime times, yet I work a rolling shift pattern so I'll only be effective on my alliances prime time one week in 4. Guess I'll play elite or one of the x series on the other three weeks.... |

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Posted - 2015.03.04 03:26:38 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Rowells wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Proton Stars wrote:Rain6637 wrote:So the best way to take sov is by constellation-wide deployments. heh. I thought one of the main premises was allowing sov to be local to a system?
FC was the old hotness, now there will be a CC or Constellation Coordinator? Anyone would think they are trying to boost large alliance groups like goons Most of the discussion assumes there will be conflict at all. I'm pretty sure there will be NEPs or Non Entosis Pacts. That's why I'm worried about neutral Alts. What happens when an NPC corp character activates an entosis module? Can the station's control still drop?
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Posted - 2015.03.04 03:41:37 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:Capqu wrote:buff sov benefits to compensate
+20% mining yield per industry index +20% anomaly cash yield per military index
or some ****
i say this as someone who has never lived in sov and has harassed lots and lots, there needs to be a buff to people living there if there's gonna be such a huge buff to me and mine
i mean why wouldnt you just do lvl 4s and mine in highsec even more than people do already if sov is getting harder to hold If you are doing level 4's and mining in highsec, why would you want to be in a null sec alliance? Why would you even want to play Eve?
So why on gods green earth would you model sov on these two things? I mean Christ on a bike, I keep thinking April 1st has come early |

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Posted - 2015.03.04 03:56:37 -
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Proberbly farms Jove ships. |

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Posted - 2015.03.04 06:17:29 -
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Lena Lazair wrote:Talbrys Narentyr wrote:Edit: And for those who keep saying "well you can stop their progress by putting your own sov lazor on it" are ********. Then it just becomes a battle of who is willing to stay logged on longer. The only way this could possibly work is if it was a cruiser size and above. If it can be put on an inty it's the end of sov warfare and the beginning of sov trolling.
If your alliance cannot be bothered to have one person put one E-link on a structure in their HOME SYSTEM for, AT MOST, 4 hours during your PRIMARY PLAYTIME then you have no business owning sov anywhere. The whole point of this system is to make AFK, sprawling sov a thing of the past.
I thought the whole point was to boost smaller entities who may struggle to do just this for 4 hours, 365days a year! |

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Posted - 2015.03.04 06:29:20 -
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Will this help to populate the vast regions of the south where the true sec is horrific and the distance between stations too far to be bridged? Proberbly not.
Will it help to busy up the drone regions? Proberbly not.
Will it make cloud ring worth owning? No but vega and evoke will Proberbly try anyways...
So not really expanding on 0.0 are we.. |

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Posted - 2015.03.04 17:48:42 -
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this thread seems to have lost trac, so let me help put it back on the rails...
THESE CHANGES ARE TERRIBLE. |

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Posted - 2015.03.04 22:07:13 -
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Devi Loches wrote:The Entosis trolling will be insane if put into effect right now. Speed tanking will be the best defense with them, especially since any cap ships trying to use them will just get piled on since it takes so long for them. The Entosis needs an effect like siege and triage mods that force the ship to remain stationary, or at least a huge movement penalty.
Also, in many ways this makes Dreads only useful for POS grinding and anti-carrier ops. Carriers can at least triage and support with fighters, but Dreads, and in some ways Titans, are almost obsolete. I always saw dreads as the ultimate structure grinder, but if that doesn't happen anymore, what's the use of them?
But carriers can't skynet anymore and with a huge increase in loss projection I doubt anyone would be dumb enough to use them unless in blob formation. Way to go ccp, now we have to blob capitals. |

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Posted - 2015.03.05 00:15:14 -
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Anyone who thinks these changes damage goons, especially when they owns region like deklien that is fantastically dense is equally dense.
The cfc may contract a little sure, but into something more powerful than they are now. As weaker alliances like fcon, sma and Fa shrink and snuggle up to goons borders. Meaning goons can be protected by their blues whilst on deployment and visa versa. In fact cfc are Proberbly the only entity in eve now that can both hold space and conquer it at the same time. Pretty damn scary for anyone trying to start out in 0.0 because if you look half decent, you'll be wiped out before you can build by a SIG. |

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Posted - 2015.03.05 00:35:46 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Eli Apol wrote:Mostlyharmlesss wrote:Eli Apol wrote:Mostlyharmlesss wrote:If the changes goes through like they are now, I'm unironically going to take a 200 man interceptor fleet to Provi and reinforce the entire region in 4 hours. Sounds like good content creation - then they'll just flip it back 2 days later once you're bored of it - or are you actually then going to commit to fighting there, inhabiting the space and raising the indices yourself? It'd be great to see Goons come through on this, own the whole map for 2 days if you think you can - I'd be a willing spectator to a player driven event like that. You're missing the point. We decide what and where to fight when we're in interceptors. Sure, we might not get all the reinforcement timers but we're going to deny you content other than using Entosis Links. So you're gonna provide me content by taking an interceptor roam across provi for four hours and somehow you're going to deny me content... just so I know that you know, what does my main actually do in the game that you're going to deny me of? won't take us four hours to RF the entire region, just 30 minutes
Not sure I'd call 200 interceptors avoiding me in my space content tbh. |

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Posted - 2015.03.05 03:01:12 -
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I bet ccp are comparing post density and speed to other mega threads to statistically come to a conclusion that has little to do with anything posted here. |

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Posted - 2015.03.05 06:02:42 -
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Fa and Goons are blue to each other you blithering fool |

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Posted - 2015.03.05 16:53:40 -
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Abrazzar wrote:125 pages, 2 CSM posts. This shows how little your vote matters. If it had to be any more obvious.
Yeah, its pretty clear we are not being listened to. I'd go out ona limb and say the CSM told ccp that this whole patch was terrible but ccp released it anyways and their silence is more damning than the 125 page thread.
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Posted - 2015.03.05 16:58:03 -
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El'Grimm wrote:Papa Digger wrote:Arrendis wrote:Don't let us. Don't give us the tools to be worse than we already are. Because we will. And we'll enjoy it, for as long as CCP lets us ride that mechanic into the ground. And for every voice saying 'you'll get bored of being jackasses and start behaving rationally', I can only ask: After all these years, when exactly are we, the assembled bastards and griefers throughout nullsec, supposed to get bored of being jackasses? I think you'll get bored to alarmclocking to grief euro timers every 2 days.. emm, in 1-2 weeks. :) Your having a laugh aren't you, I cant think of any of the big blocs who haven't got a mortal game enemy that has literally been after them for years, hell the two largest blocs are that enemy to each other, and beyond that they each have further dedicated enemies thats only purpose is to see them fail. 2 weeks is seriously nothing to us guys, previous sov wars have active wars that last for months and months and grudges that NEVER stop. Best way to stop the troll tactic, BC hull and above. If a new group cant field a few BC's, then they clearly cant move the tcu/ihub/pos's that MUST go with holding sov, and it automatically stops nullified ships being troll worthy, and brings much needed value to BC and BS hulls. Hell new groups might even figure out what boosts are about if a BC is the ship they must look at for a starting point.
those wars lasted 4 months because the pilots in them could sleep during their own RL 'night time'. Eve used to be about alarm clocking and it used to also be about burn out and disbanding alliances.
Why do people seem to think making 0.0 a job is a good idea? why does the workload to play a game have to be so high? And more than anything else why on gods earth did they choose to build a 'fix' model on an area of 0.0 renowned for being filled with people who dont have a clue? |

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Posted - 2015.03.05 17:01:53 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Proton Stars wrote:Abrazzar wrote:125 pages, 2 CSM posts. This shows how little your vote matters. If it had to be any more obvious. Yeah, its pretty clear we are not being listened to. I'd go out ona limb and say the CSM told ccp that this whole patch was terrible but ccp released it anyways and their silence is more damning than the 125 page thread. Go to the campaigns forum, post a thread, each CSM candidate to post their opinion on these changes before voting closes. (That's if, you care about the CSM).
someone already has. |

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Posted - 2015.03.12 03:23:56 -
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There us so much stupidity in this thread from people who have never lived in null sec.
I can see that the first mass evac of a 0.0 entity has begun in the south. Pantsufarian and his rabble are starting to move out of space not worth owning! The mass exodus of sov space has begun. |
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