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Beldaws
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Posted - 2003.10.31 13:18:00 -
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They would also have to say that afk mining in an indy is not allowed too. That increases your wealth at an accelerated rate.
(accelerated meaning that you are increasing your wealth while you are not actually physically playing the game)
While we are at it, let's also say that one person using 2 accounts is not allowed to. You are doing twice as much in the game as a normal person with one account is allowed to do. That's accelerated, because people tend to funnel the money made by the second account to their main account.
Let's even go one step farther. Buy and sell orders that happen while you are not logged in is a way of accelerating your wealth. They should change the code so that your buy and sell orders only happen while you are logged in.
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I would like CCP to take the point and change this part of the EULA to state clearly that macros that play for you while you are away are not allowed. Currently this is not the case.
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Beldaws
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Posted - 2003.10.31 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: Beldaws on 31/10/2003 13:36:57
Everyone in the game has the ability to use macros. So how is it an unfair advantage? They just choose not to.
Everyone in the game has the ability to park an indy next to a rock and walk away for a couple hours. Some just choose not to.
Everyone has the option of using buy/sell orders while they are not logged in. If they don't then that's their problem.
Eveyone has the option of buying a second account and using it to help speed up their wealth accumulation. Some choose not to.
Some people are given items that are not intended to be in the game. They use this item to GREATLY increase their wealth!! That sure gives an unfair advantage!! Well, let's not get started on this issue again. 
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It doesnt accelerate it,, however you do aquire wealth while your not sitting infront of the game. This creates an unfare advantage for the person using the macro.. And this is why it is not allowed.
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Beldaws
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Posted - 2003.10.31 14:53:00 -
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So, you actually think the designers said "Hey, let's put a mining laser on that indy so that people can make money while they aren't sitting at the computer."?
Nice try!
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Mining in an industrial afk is a part of the game - when the designers bring in automated mining process or macros then that will be part of the game until then as far as i'm concerned its a cheat.
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Beldaws
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Posted - 2003.10.31 19:27:00 -
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Edited by: Beldaws on 31/10/2003 19:28:32
That would be PERFECT!
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I guess what all the macro users want, is for CCP to add a note stating that macros are considered an cheat and an exploit and users of any/all macros will be banned from the game.
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It doesnt accelerate it,, however you do aquire wealth while your not sitting infront of the game. This creates an unfare advantage for the person using the macro.. And this is why it is not allowed.
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Beldaws
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Posted - 2003.11.03 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: Beldaws on 03/11/2003 13:45:26
Edited by: Beldaws on 03/11/2003 13:44:57
Cool, then macro programs don't qualify as 3rd-party software to EVE. They don't have a direct effect on the game software. Macro programs poke keystrokes and mouse movements into the Windows buffers. That would be an direct effect to Windows, and since Windows has API's that allow this then it's prefectly legit.
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The 3rd-party software section refers to programs that have a direct effect on the game software, not a spreadsheet or calculator.
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Beldaws
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Posted - 2003.11.04 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: Beldaws on 04/11/2003 13:33:21
Edited by: Beldaws on 04/11/2003 13:32:34
That's much better.
I just wish they would put one line in the license agreement:
"The use of macros will result in your account being banned."
Just something short and sweet. They tend to use too many words that lead to loop holes. It's amazing how the addition of one word such as "direct" changes the meaning of the statement.
One of the problems is that even most of the new mouses have a 3rd, 4th, or even 5th button and a thumb wheel or two that can be programmed to automate procedures. I'd hate to get banned because my mouse sent keystrokes to scroll up and down when I use the mouse thumb wheel. I guess it would even be against the policy if I programmed my mouse's 3rd button to toggle my high power weapons when pressed. Even most of the new keyboards come covered with programmable buttons.
For the record, I agree that macros shouldn't be used and that people shouldn't use 2nd accounts and funnel money to their main accounts, but I don't see either of those two going away any time soon. Actually you are at a HUGE disadvantage if you don't use them.
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I shouldn't have used the word "direct".
What I meant was that any program or script that has a resultant effect on the game, regardless of whether it is just automated keystrokes or a hack of the programming code, and that can affect your gameplay, particularly if it enhances it, is not allowed.
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