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Kajacoai
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Posted - 2003.10.30 13:00:00 -
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Edited by: Kajacoai on 30/10/2003 13:01:17
Simple question aimed at Dev and CCP.....
Are Macro's used for mining against the EULA??
Lets get a final answer on this from CCP please
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Avon
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Posted - 2003.10.30 15:20:00 -
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Yes.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2003.10.30 15:59:00 -
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yeah it is. everone still does it tho 
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Avon
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Posted - 2003.10.30 16:01:00 -
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Really? Well that makes things easy then, ban everyone.
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Harcole
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Posted - 2003.10.30 16:23:00 -
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Really? Well that makes things easy then, ban everyone.
I don't use one but then I'm me not everyone.
Just think an entire EvE universe to play with by myself!
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Kajacoai
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Posted - 2003.10.30 17:42:00 -
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Ok...personnally I don't use one but why is it against the EULA??
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Gyrn Fzirth
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Posted - 2003.10.30 17:43:00 -
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Ok...personnally I don't use one but why is it against the EULA??
Errr.... you're kidding right?
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Telk Behm'shai
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Posted - 2003.10.30 18:11:00 -
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K, what is Macro, and what is EULA?
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Deloup Drakar
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Posted - 2003.10.30 18:19:00 -
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K, what is Macro, and what is EULA?
Ok, first question: It's a scripting of comamnds to emulate multiple actions. You can have a macro to mine for you, move the ore from hold to a box and have an indy fly to the box and collect it.
Secondly: End User Licence Agreement (that thing you click "agree" to every time you start the game)
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Telk Behm'shai
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Posted - 2003.10.30 19:45:00 -
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EULA duh . Is there a way to see or find out if somone is using one?
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Kajacoai
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Posted - 2003.10.30 20:42:00 -
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the EULA states:
(3) You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
As a mining Macro will just do what you would normally do mining how is this an "accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play" surly it is normal gameplay in an automatic way??
Or is this part of the EULA open to interpretation?
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Gyrn Fzirth
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Posted - 2003.10.30 21:23:00 -
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the EULA states:
(3) You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
As a mining Macro will just do what you would normally do mining how is this an "accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play" surly it is normal gameplay in an automatic way??
Or is this part of the EULA open to interpretation?
It states right there that macros are disallowed. What more interpretation do you need?
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Kajacoai
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Posted - 2003.10.30 21:33:00 -
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What it states is you cannot use macros for speeding up play not you cannot use macros.
Personally I think they do ruin gameplay for the individual but there are so many people using them and getting away with it that I just wanted CCP to clarify this point.
Are ALL macros banned or is it macros that alter the game or gameplay that are banned?
The wording of this rule is open to interpretation and whilst clearly stating what you cannot use a macro for it does not state what you can use a macro for
example. Cut and paste using Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V is a macro that is built into windows. so if you want a repeated messsage in the trade channel as many do then surely if all macros are banned then those players using Cuut and paste in chat should be banned.
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wamingo
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Posted - 2003.10.30 22:57:00 -
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What macro's could you possibly make that would enhance mining, or any other aquiring of anything else that is within the game and is the property of cpp, but still not be against the clause in the EULA?
If the macro accellerates aquiring anything that is the property of cpp in a way that it accellerates Your game experience regardles of your whereabouts, it is against the end user license agreement or you risk losing your account.
And you know that that is what it means, so stop acting as if you didn't...
it's childish... or lawyerish... pick one... in which case they as good as synonymous...
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Kajacoai
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Posted - 2003.10.30 23:48:00 -
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So does a mining macro allow me to aquire ore faster than you??
Does it take isk directly from the market and transfer it to my account??
Of course not.
So how does a mining macro accelerate the mining process??
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Veridet Faulk
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Posted - 2003.10.31 00:04:00 -
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So does a mining macro allow me to aquire ore faster than you??
Does it take isk directly from the market and transfer it to my account??
Of course not.
So how does a mining macro accelerate the mining process??
It doesnt accelerate it,, however you do aquire wealth while your not sitting infront of the game. This creates an unfare advantage for the person using the macro.. And this is why it is not allowed.
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wamingo
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Posted - 2003.10.31 02:29:00 -
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You twist the word accelerate into meaning only "faster than you can play it"...
Accelerate necessarily means both increasing the speed of the process AND accelerated play through relieving you from having to play while still progressing, eg afk macro mining.
And ORE is an item too.
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Kajacoai
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Posted - 2003.10.31 07:55:00 -
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At last someone with power replied
and yes I know ore is a item
the main point of this is that the EULA is not clear on this and should be changed as banning a play for using a macro could be argued as unfair.
Just for the record I do agree that macros should not be used but I would like CCP to take the point and change this part of the EULA to state clearly that macros that play for you while you are away are not allowed. Currently this is not the case.
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Beldaws
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Posted - 2003.10.31 13:18:00 -
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They would also have to say that afk mining in an indy is not allowed too. That increases your wealth at an accelerated rate.
(accelerated meaning that you are increasing your wealth while you are not actually physically playing the game)
While we are at it, let's also say that one person using 2 accounts is not allowed to. You are doing twice as much in the game as a normal person with one account is allowed to do. That's accelerated, because people tend to funnel the money made by the second account to their main account.
Let's even go one step farther. Buy and sell orders that happen while you are not logged in is a way of accelerating your wealth. They should change the code so that your buy and sell orders only happen while you are logged in.
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I would like CCP to take the point and change this part of the EULA to state clearly that macros that play for you while you are away are not allowed. Currently this is not the case.
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Beldaws
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Posted - 2003.10.31 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: Beldaws on 31/10/2003 13:36:57
Everyone in the game has the ability to use macros. So how is it an unfair advantage? They just choose not to.
Everyone in the game has the ability to park an indy next to a rock and walk away for a couple hours. Some just choose not to.
Everyone has the option of using buy/sell orders while they are not logged in. If they don't then that's their problem.
Eveyone has the option of buying a second account and using it to help speed up their wealth accumulation. Some choose not to.
Some people are given items that are not intended to be in the game. They use this item to GREATLY increase their wealth!! That sure gives an unfair advantage!! Well, let's not get started on this issue again. 
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It doesnt accelerate it,, however you do aquire wealth while your not sitting infront of the game. This creates an unfare advantage for the person using the macro.. And this is why it is not allowed.
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Apoca
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Posted - 2003.10.31 14:08:00 -
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they wern't part of the game which we bought into they are an addition used by people to get an unfair advantage over others in the game - cheating pure and simple - all i can see is people trying to justify something they basically know is wrong because it gives them an advantage over other players - you either play the game the way it was designed or you cheat - if your cheating dont bother trying to justify it just get on with it. Mining in an industrial afk is a part of the game - when the designers bring in automated mining process or macros then that will be part of the game until then as far as i'm concerned its a cheat.
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Beldaws
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Posted - 2003.10.31 14:53:00 -
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So, you actually think the designers said "Hey, let's put a mining laser on that indy so that people can make money while they aren't sitting at the computer."?
Nice try!
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Mining in an industrial afk is a part of the game - when the designers bring in automated mining process or macros then that will be part of the game until then as far as i'm concerned its a cheat.
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Fencer
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Posted - 2003.10.31 18:21:00 -
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I guess what all the macro users want, is for CCP to add a note stating that macros are considered an cheat and an exploit and users of any/all macros will be banned from the game.
or something along those lines.
afk mining is not using an macro. a macro is a mini program that allows for more complex manuevers to be carried out.
there does first statement clear the air for all the (il)legal p***ks, who wish use of macros or nit pik eulas
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Beldaws
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Posted - 2003.10.31 19:27:00 -
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Edited by: Beldaws on 31/10/2003 19:28:32
That would be PERFECT!
Very Clear:
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I guess what all the macro users want, is for CCP to add a note stating that macros are considered an cheat and an exploit and users of any/all macros will be banned from the game.
Very Vague:
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It doesnt accelerate it,, however you do aquire wealth while your not sitting infront of the game. This creates an unfare advantage for the person using the macro.. And this is why it is not allowed.
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Ariemeth
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Posted - 2003.10.31 23:02:00 -
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As far as afk mining in an indy, I didn't see anything in the EULA talking about running the game without being in front of the computer. I'm at work so i'll have to check again later when i get home. However many games out now do specify in the EULA that any and all playing of the game with out being in front of the computer is not allowed. First one that comes to mind is SWG's
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Lyan
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Posted - 2003.11.01 11:19:00 -
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It doesnt accelerate it,, however you do aquire wealth while your not sitting infront of the game. This creates an unfare advantage for the person using the macro.. And this is why it is not allowed.
So I am allowed to use a mining macro while sitting infront of the game then ?
I totally agree that the EULA must be updated regarding macros.
Or as has been discussed before why not introduce a mine to container option ?
That would cut down on the need for a mining macro surely ?
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.11.01 13:39:00 -
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You are not allowed to use any 3rd party software that facilitates, enhances or otherwise alters game-play in any form whatsoever.
Macros are not allowed, people have been warned/banned for using them before.
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Agent 13
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Posted - 2003.11.01 21:11:00 -
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As far as afk mining in an indy, I didn't see anything in the EULA talking about running the game without being in front of the computer. I'm at work so i'll have to check again later when i get home. However many games out now do specify in the EULA that any and all playing of the game with out being in front of the computer is not allowed. First one that comes to mind is SWG's
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Daley
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Posted - 2003.11.02 13:55:00 -
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>> You are not allowed to use any 3rd party software that facilitates, enhances or otherwise alters game-play in any form whatsoever.
God now I'm confused, so am I allowed to use my calculator to calculate my potential trade profit or not. CCP, please answer this once and for all.
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wamingo
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Posted - 2003.11.02 16:19:00 -
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yes, your regular hand calculator, but not your windows (software) calculator
stop twisting the words and stop cheating, then we can all be happy... 
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