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Kithrus
Tzedakah
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2015.03.06 01:26:09 -
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I gave a long thought about how I want to go about doing this, at first I was angry then I was baffled. I beg forgiveness of CCP but I think this is a discussion that needs to be had.
Three years ago I was in CVA with a friend of mine. He has Asbergers syndrome and has a habit of rubbing people the wrong way. I have my own mental deficiency which allowed me to understand this person as I too have issue socializing though not to the same degree.
Due to this CVA removed him and told him to go away and in order to enforce it they marked him red.
Now up to this point I understood. they just wanted him to go away. I understand though frowned in disapproval. At the end of the day this person has done nothing wrong to anyone in CVA to merit perma KoS status but apparently that's what happened.
Time wore on and I forgot though I wish I said something then. events transpired that gave me ownership of AM. This person called in a favor and I invited them into the alliance.
CVA swiftly respond by telling me to throw him out on his ear or be marked KoS.
Now for those of you who are snickering at this point the door is over there. Are they gone? Good I hate that guy.
I understand people don't always mesh, I understand they don't like him but he never did anything to them. No heist, no leaking intel just annoying them.
No one in this game should have the right to bully anyone for out of game reasons into not flying with anyone.
I could get it if you want to keep one powerful person from teaming up with another in some cool meta game but this is strickly personal.
Its Bulling and Harassment and it needs to stop.
Ultimately I don't care about being KoS to CVA, ultimately I know CCP can't do anything but I feel the player base should know this story and decide for themselves how they feel.
If nothing else lest the truth is known now.
fly safe. |
Kithrus
Tzedakah
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2015.03.06 01:49:48 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Hm,
On this topic, I think CCP should tread lightly. EvE is a game about Villains. I've kicked people before just because I don't like them. Meshing poorly means poor teamwork, honesty.
DId Leadership talk to this guy? Was he warned? These are some key details being left out.
However there is a line, between Harassment and Bullying. And Harassment in EVE online. Can't really find a way to put it elegantly but there is.
Currently, I see nothing wrong with what happened here.
Again yes it was an issue with getting along fine. Following this guy around and trying to get everyone to spurn him?
step too far no? |
Kithrus
Tzedakah
Aegis Militia
338
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Posted - 2015.03.06 02:10:09 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:I don't see anything in your story about you informing your alliance you wanted to let someone in that has been marked KOS before you invited them, with all the asshatery, misdirection and deception that goes on in this game, I too would think you were up to something and give you the same ultimatum.
Either way I don't see any bullying going on.
1) my alliance
2) the person in question want to make it up CVA somehow they won't let him. They are afraid of appearing soft and they want him on his own. |
Kithrus
Tzedakah
Aegis Militia
338
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Posted - 2015.03.06 03:06:46 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
I've seen people get fired from their jobs for all of the above, getting fired from an internet spaceships organisation is chump change compared to that.
But most employers unless very vindictive don't go to your new boss and tell them they can't do business with them because they hired you. |
Kithrus
Tzedakah
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2015.03.06 03:27:58 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Kithrus wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:I don't see anything in your story about you informing your alliance you wanted to let someone in that has been marked KOS before you invited them, with all the asshatery, misdirection and deception that goes on in this game, I too would think you were up to something and give you the same ultimatum.
Either way I don't see any bullying going on. 1) my alliance 2) the person in question want to make it up CVA somehow they won't let him. They are afraid of appearing soft and they want him on his own. So you feel that them not wanting to give him a second chance is bullying?
Sibyyl wrote:
CVA can do whatever intolerant thing they want (provided your story is true). However, by continuing to function in CVA you are giving tacit approval of how they operate. If you don't like it, let them know how you feel and then leave.
Life is too short, and EVE is a big game.
I feel like everyone is missing a point here. We are not in CVA, in AM, my alliance AM which is a separate alliance told on no uncertain terms to ditch the guy they don't like or be made red and lose any benefit of providence should I chose to go there and be under fire if I encounter CVA and ally gangs.
This is about CVA trying to pressure me to cast my friend adrift cause they don't like him.
Not for in game reasons, not for tactical reasons...
Personal reasons. |
Kithrus
Tzedakah
Aegis Militia
338
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Posted - 2015.03.06 14:45:22 -
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I really feel like people are missing the point here.
We have a player kicked out of alliance cause he doesn't get along with people. So far so good.
We have an allied alliance of CVA (me) who recruited said person.
I'm being told that our alliances can't be allies because they don't like him.
If this person hurt CVA, fine I'd get that but morally you should not be bullying other people and telling them who they can't have in your alliance for out of game reasons.
As it stands CVA has set us red, removed our forum and Intel channel access and is in the process of getting their other allies to follow suite.
We do not live in providence but this throws a monkey wrench into the fleets of people we fly with.
Again I stress this is for out of game reasons. As far as I'm concerned it's a **** move made out of spite. Something's just don't need to happen even in EvE.
If someone set all know say frech players red because they don't like French people yes they are allowed with in the game rules but it's still a racist douchy move. People would look at that and say "dude really?"
I see this as no different.
Yes EvE is a harsh game but a game none the less and out of game crap needs to be left at the login screen. |
Kithrus
Tzedakah
Aegis Militia
340
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Posted - 2015.03.06 21:54:54 -
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admiral root wrote:Kithrus wrote:I really feel like people are missing the point here. Everyone gets the point - they're saying welcome to Eve.
With that attitude are you going to tell me to kill myself and end your CSM career early?
or are you admitting there are limits? |
Kithrus
Tzedakah
Aegis Militia
340
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Posted - 2015.03.06 22:05:17 -
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admiral root wrote:Oh dear lord, it's a train wreck now. Did you really just invoke a years-old incident where, a drunk guy said something silly (something the grrrr, goons crowd have apparently never, ever done) while discussing your attrocious mis-use of terms like "bullying"?
Real bullying is serious. What you're talking about is Eve politics. HTFU.
What you missing 'CSM to be is' that EvE politics are a murky mess at best and one that most certainly doesn't need person issue brought into.
For instance allies of CVA who I roam and roll with frequently no do not have the diplomatic ability to do so now without risking the blue status of their peers.
If I lived in northern space or was say in caldari militia I wouldn't give a damn but this is is literately cutting my fleets in half. Those who would fly with me can't because they can't afford it.
CVA knows this.
How about you pay attention to the political landscape and ramifications first before you think this is about my apparently poor feelings. |
Kithrus
Tzedakah
Aegis Militia
344
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Posted - 2015.03.10 11:46:54 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Another clown that doesn't know what bullying is. What a generation of pussies we're raising.  Goddamm that is so true. I weep for the future.
I fine lets play it your way, where would the limit be then? No one seems to have that answer at all because they are so worried that any admittance of going to far would call for rules they fear so much.
I'm not saying CCP should do anything. I posted this for 'for the record', so that if anyone asked I could point to this. I wanted to see what the community thinks about taking a personal grudge from outside the game and making someone's life hell.
I have had lots **** on me in eve, I don't care it's the game but I have standards and I'd like to think you do too. |
Kithrus
Tzedakah
Aegis Militia
344
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Posted - 2015.03.10 13:50:36 -
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Danalee wrote:Kithrus wrote:I'm not saying CCP should do anything. I posted this for 'for the record', so that if anyone asked I could point to this. I wanted to see what the community thinks about taking a personal grudge from outside the game and making someone's life hell.
. Calm down, dear. Please. A personal grudge from outside the game you say? But you said first that your "friend" was being an arse in game hence the in game repercussions? Also, making someone's life hell <> being allowed to play in someone's corner of the sandbox. On top of that, if banning someone from "your space" would be an issue - moral or other - for any reason, a lot of nullsec entities would like to have a word with you  So what is your point again? D. 
Not an arse in game, they just didn't like his personality. They didn't get his jokes, sarcasm, attitude but he never cause any damage.
So fine he doesn't mesh with the team, GG, kick him and move on with life. It does warrant being an ass about it.
There are plenty of in game reasons to be an ass to someone without bringing personal issue into it is me point. |
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