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Bastion Arzi Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 205	Posted - 2015.03.06 13:24:02 - [1] - Quote Yes this is something I never thought I would do. I consider myself one of he good guys in eve. However I am bored and paying for the game and want a shiny kill to balance my poor efficient his month. Also in no way do I intend to suicide gank or persistently follow some poor noob. Anyway fitted up a pretty standard confessor fit for hunting many use of the probe launcher bonuses. I have some questions In ur opinion is a confessor to scary for a target to agress? Also I think a lot of mission runners would b cap stable shud I refit to a neut when I find them? Would a small neut even work? Atm I am trying to appear dumb by barely moving from wreck to wreck. My question here is what kind of ship will alpha me completely in defence mode. Ty in advance
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1357	Posted - 2015.03.06 13:30:42 - [2] - Quote For starters I'd try a dual rep incursus. It gives quite a bit of wiggle room for derps and can provide some surprising results. Also I strongly recommend checking out Feyd's blog, particularly this entry: http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca/2014/03/carebear-to-killer.html?view=sidebar It's chock full of fun tips for making this thing you are interested in happen. Start cheap, then once you find your comfort zone step up to something along the lines of the Ishkur. The twofold weapons system, low sig radius and beefy tank make it an excellent ship for dealing with larger targets. It can mount a small neut as well once you've got your fitting skills up high enough. And yes, a small neut can make a difference, especially when your target is only barely cap stable. It is dark here. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
Lady Ayeipsia Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 846	Posted - 2015.03.06 15:19:43 - [3] - Quote A confessor is not exactly a cheap ship. If I saw one stealing my loot, I would not aggress. You want something that looks newbish more than a blingy destroyer. This especially true given that Confessor requires amarr destroyer to 5. Sure you may have trained it before ccp split the skill, but again more proof that you are a trap, not a clueless newbie.
Bastion Arzi Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 205	Posted - 2015.03.06 15:36:06 - [4] - Quote Hmm ur right but wouldn't it also b a temping kill I'm risking my ship here by barely moving
Lady Ayeipsia Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 846	Posted - 2015.03.06 15:46:56 - [5] - Quote Bastion Arzi wrote: Hmm ur right but wouldn't it also b a temping kill I'm risking my ship here by barely moving You are assuming that a mission runner will grasp a finer point on PvP. Either they will recognize it, which means they will most likely recognize your fit and affiliation and think trap. (seriouslyn RvB member looting a mission? Big trap) or they will have no clue about PvP and your speed or lack there of means little. Otherwise you are hoping for a pricey target that recognizes the advantage they may have over your lack of speed, but not cautious to look at a confessor and think about the skill required to fly such a ship. Honestly, seems like a very limited group of targets. I thinking you'd have better luck in a lesser ship.
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 2053	Posted - 2015.03.06 15:58:54 - [6] - Quote T2, T3 and faction are scary. Navy faction cruisers are the least scary fancy boats, people aren't too afraid of stratioses either.
Bastion Arzi Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 205	Posted - 2015.03.06 16:07:43 - [7] - Quote Ok. Ty for ur advice. I guess I'll try something less scary. Another q. Can I leave a mobile depot in a safe in space. Can u reship w one of those? I'm sure there was some structure that u could Reship w. I think I'll need a neut
Drez Arthie Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2015.03.06 18:13:24 - [8] - Quote Would this work?: fleet up with a stranger for mission running, and do one or two. Then tell them you just got the next mission from your agent .. "I'll warp us in as a fleet" ... to your waiting POS.
Bastion Arzi Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 205	Posted - 2015.03.06 18:42:32 - [9] - Quote so ive found a few ships, nthing will agress a confessor tho :( i went to one guys mission and he was already being followed around by another suspect in a prophecy. felt sry for the dude so opened fire on the prophecy. scared it off. there shud be some way to help the defencless. like probes that will specifically scan down suspects maybe? this could be the bounty hunting many people hope for. just an idea
Paranoid Loyd 4049	Posted - 2015.03.06 18:45:48 - [10] - Quote Bastion Arzi wrote: so ive found a few ships, nthing will agress a confessor tho :( i went to one guys mission and he was already being followed around by another suspect in a prophecy. felt sry for the dude so opened fire on the prophecy. scared it off. there shud be some way to help the defencless. like probes that will specifically scan down suspects maybe? this could be the bounty hunting many people hope for. just an idea There is no need, sit on the undock, figure out who they are, figure out their D-scan ID then probe them down after they warp to a mission runner. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!

Bastion Arzi Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 205	Posted - 2015.03.06 18:47:08 - [11] - Quote requires that they go to the station. but yeah i see ur point.. maybe bounty hunting can exist.
Paranoid Loyd 4049	Posted - 2015.03.06 18:51:09 - [12] - Quote They have to figure out the target's scan ID (at least the ones doing it for shiny profit), the most efficient way to do this is to sit on the undock, while it could be an alt doing the scanning many times it is not, if it is an alt you can also check the suspects KB to get a good idea of what kind of ship he uses and then probe for that type of ship that also has a BS in the scan results. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Bastion Arzi Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 205	Posted - 2015.03.06 19:05:14 - [13] - Quote yes but its just so much work. there a re a lot of if's ands and buts to consider. i just wish bounty hunting was more...accessible? but then theres me again expecting to get what i want without working for it. /sigh
Paranoid Loyd 4051	Posted - 2015.03.06 19:10:02 - [14] - Quote Agreed, but the work is what makes the end result satisfying. Remember that and it will drive you to complete the goal. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 2055	Posted - 2015.03.06 20:29:07 - [15] - Quote Try a gnosis, I've had luck with those before.
Demerius Xenocratus Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 122	Posted - 2015.03.06 21:16:20 - [16] - Quote Unfortunately mission baiting has been done to death so you will probably have to scan down 8-10 to find one willing to aggress. Certain missions with lots of valuable loot like faction tags it can be funny to warp in a Talos and delete their mobile tractor unit before they can scoop it. Actually destroying a bear's MTU tends to make him very cranky. Don't use a confessor. T2/T3 and faction **** is scary. Your objective is to be as dumb and harmless looking as possible while fitting an active tank strong enough to absorb drone DPS and enough DPS to break the average mission fit. If you don't have a scanning alt you want to have a dedicated scanning ship and a bait/combat ship (or two, something heavier to bring out if necessary like a BC or navy cruiser.) You can always play the game of alts with multiple logi then swapping those to shooters if they get aggressed also, but that's cheating. Aside from frigates and AF's the dual repped cap boosted vexor is a very mean tech 1 cruiser. Doesn't seem too frightening to the unwashed but ~600 DPS heated and near permatank will dispatch a mission fit with ease.
Faylee Freir Defining Harassment Slaver's Union 60	Posted - 2015.03.06 22:19:49 - [17] - Quote Bastion Arzi wrote: Yes this is something I never thought I would do. I consider myself one of he good guys in eve. However I am bored and paying for the game and want a shiny kill to balance my poor efficient his month. Also in no way do I intend to suicide gank or persistently follow some poor noob. Anyway fitted up a pretty standard confessor fit for hunting many use of the probe launcher bonuses. I have some questions In ur opinion is a confessor to scary for a target to agress? Also I think a lot of mission runners would b cap stable shud I refit to a neut when I find them? Would a small neut even work? Atm I am trying to appear dumb by barely moving from wreck to wreck. My question here is what kind of ship will alpha me completely in defence mode. Ty in advance I second the advice to use an Incursus / Ishkur. Neuts and drone boats are your kryptonite. I as well recommend you read Feyd's blog.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 9009	Posted - 2015.03.06 23:40:52 - [18] - Quote firstly , read this. [edit] derp, didnt see omars link the confessor would work but it will get chewd up by any drone boats, like hilariously badly. the problem is in a bear flipping scenario you have to be able to kill drones quickly and the confessors tracking just dosent allow for that reliably. it can work but its not easy, personally im hoping the gal one will have the same bonuses to sig because if it does itl be a dead ringer for the job, more so if it can have a couple of drones. but yeah, read feyds blog, its about the best way to tackle it "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
Demerius Xenocratus Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 122	Posted - 2015.03.07 03:47:20 - [19] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: firstly , read this. [edit] derp, didnt see omars link the confessor would work but it will get chewd up by any drone boats, like hilariously badly. the problem is in a bear flipping scenario you have to be able to kill drones quickly and the confessors tracking just dosent allow for that reliably. it can work but its not easy, personally im hoping the gal one will have the same bonuses to sig because if it does itl be a dead ringer for the job, more so if it can have a couple of drones. but yeah, read feyds blog, its about the best way to tackle it Vimsy Vortis wrote: T2, T3 and faction are scary. Navy faction cruisers are the least scary fancy boats, people aren't too afraid of stratioses either. Apparently not, the last 4 videos of his are in one and people just don't seem to think they are that intimidating...which is odd because they are very cool ships. Well. I have use for my Stratios now. I guess maybe people that don't get out much see it as an exploration/scanning ship? You don't see them used much for pvp in highsec because they are by design better suited for creeping around low and null.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1361	Posted - 2015.03.07 05:36:03 - [20] - Quote MTUs are kind of a conundrum for mission flipping. Yes, shooting them does increase your chances of aggression. Yes, they also have a boatload of structure to deal with as well. Personally I feel kind of cheap whenever I pop one due to having to spend so much time and effort on what is basically a garbage can in space, BUT if you don't and do get aggression the loot fairy gets a second chance to screw you if you win as it sucks in the wreck of your victim. Also, I'd rather see ships on my KB than a bunch of them. That saying, they're still the most frequent thing for me to destroy. On the other hand they also have their uses. Many crafty bears will do just about anything they can to prevent you from going suspect. (abandoning wrecks, shooting them, using tractor beams and salvage drones to keep the wrecks and loot out of your reach, and so on) Having bookmarked an abandoned MTU in the system can help when they're being downright uncooperative. Just pop a single round into that homeless floater whenever your timers run out and you can keep your flashy status as long as necessary. It is dark here. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.

Demerius Xenocratus Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 122	Posted - 2015.03.07 06:26:46 - [21] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: MTUs are kind of a conundrum for mission flipping. Yes, shooting them does increase your chances of aggression. Yes, they also have a boatload of structure to deal with as well. Personally I feel kind of cheap whenever I pop one due to having to spend so much time and effort on what is basically a garbage can in space, BUT if you don't and do get aggression the loot fairy gets a second chance to screw you if you win as it sucks in the wreck of your victim. Also, I'd rather see ships on my KB than a bunch of them. That saying, they're still the most frequent thing for me to destroy. On the other hand they also have their uses. Many crafty bears will do just about anything they can to prevent you from going suspect. (abandoning wrecks, shooting them, using tractor beams and salvage drones to keep the wrecks and loot out of your reach, and so on) Having bookmarked an abandoned MTU in the system can help when they're being downright uncooperative. Just pop a single round into that homeless floater whenever your timers run out and you can keep your flashy status as long as necessary. I don't understand why people try so hard to prevent you from going suspect. Not like it matters unless they're going to accidentally lock and fire on your ship. I gave up on mission flipping for awhile because 1) I don't have alts (scan alt saves alot of time and logi alt guarantees a win and lets you tackle tougher targets) and 2) I don't have the patience to spend 4 hours scanning and walk away with naught but some MTU killmails.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1362	Posted - 2015.03.07 06:40:03 - [22] - Quote The reason they try is usually due to them not understanding the aggression mechanics. Many of them actually believe that the suspect flag lets YOU do something naughty to them rather than the other way around, so they take measures to prevent this. shrug And yes, a scan alt saves loads of time. Logi alts I'm sure are helpful but I prefer not to use them personally, as actually taking down a larger, beefier ship 1v1 for me is the bacon on my cheeseburger. It helps that I don't mind losing from time to time It is dark here. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
Zappity Stay Frosty. A Band Apart. 1819	Posted - 2015.03.07 06:48:53 - [23] - Quote Dual rep Incursus full of cap boosters. I killed a Brutix Navy with one earlier today. I wish neutral logi wasn't a thing. I reckon we'd get a much higher hit rate with more experienced mission runners if it didn't exist. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1362	Posted - 2015.03.07 07:40:56 - [24] - Quote I have much love for the incursus. It has a pretty wide range of opponents it can handle even though it does have its limits. Being a cheap t1 frigate helps a great deal, as it doesn't strike most folks as being that scary. What I've found from chatting with targets in the past is that many folks think that it's bait for a different kind of trap. They assume the incursus is going to reship into something scarier and come back to stomp them if they engage. What it can actually do is often hard for them to wrap their minds around. It is dark here. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
Zappity Stay Frosty. A Band Apart. 1822	Posted - 2015.03.07 11:24:16 - [25] - Quote I managed to get an Orthrus and Orca pair to aggress me a little earlier. I couldn't break either tank with the dual rep Incursus. An Enyo probably would have worked but not enough reps. Oh well, can't have everything. Do cruisers work or are mission runners scared off by them? Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 4800	Posted - 2015.03.07 12:47:48 - [26] - Quote OP - good work on looking for trouble like this. I suggest a tech 1 cruiser, and specifically the Vexor. It is a death machine with neuts and drones to deal damage, but it looks unthreatening. Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
Chenguang Hucel-Ge Exiled Tech Space Monkey Protectorate 10	Posted - 2015.03.07 13:32:25 - [27] - Quote I'd say anything with size of cruiser OR with II on it's marking might scare people off. I'd say, go with destroyers, but not the cats or trashers (Grim reputation and stuff). Back in the days I've got quite a smacktalk intruding mission pockets on algos. Haven't used them for kills though, don't know if you'll make it.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 9014	Posted - 2015.03.07 14:24:50 - [28] - Quote Chenguang Hucel-Ge wrote: I'd say anything with size of cruiser OR with II on it's marking might scare people off. I'd say, go with destroyers, but not the cats or trashers (Grim reputation and stuff). Back in the days I've got quite a smacktalk intruding mission pockets on algos. Haven't used them for kills though, don't know if you'll make it. t1 desies pop under drones way to quick, the have a big sig, low hp and poor resists now that's not to say you cant make it work, im sure you could but i would hesitate when ever thers a drone boat on scan (WEBS AND NEUTS) the ishkur fits the role so damn well (as do a couple of the other af's) that i find it hard to think outside of it the new ones might work but the confessor hasnt the tracking to kill drones fast enough and would have to give up the cap booster and fit a web to do so leaving it horrifically vulnerable to neuts (which does happen). aas i said earlier, my hope for the gal t3 will be that it gets the confessors sig bonus and maby a drone or two(though i can live without this if its got 3 or 4 mids) Zappity wrote: I managed to get an Orthrus and Orca pair to aggress me a little earlier. I couldn't break either tank with the dual rep Incursus. An Enyo probably would have worked but not enough reps. Oh well, can't have everything. Do cruisers work or are mission runners scared off by them? depends on the cruiser, i dear say if you tried it in a navy ospray you would have an entertaining time. bears a usually scared of anything t2 bigger than a frigate, and anything pirate faction barring the sisters stuff (as evidenced by johnypew's last few vids). what helps are things like salvaging their wrecks and shooting their mtu's ,letting them feel like they can take you easily while you slowly get closer to scram range. "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
Demerius Xenocratus Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 122	Posted - 2015.03.08 03:37:56 - [29] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: The reason they try is usually due to them not understanding the aggression mechanics. Many of them actually believe that the suspect flag lets YOU do something naughty to them rather than the other way around, so they take measures to prevent this. shrug And yes, a scan alt saves loads of time. Logi alts I'm sure are helpful but I prefer not to use them personally, as actually taking down a larger, beefier ship 1v1 for me is the bacon on my cheeseburger. It helps that I don't mind losing from time to time I respect this far more than somebody who has 2-3 logi/orca/combat capable characters on standby. And I think you would get alot more engagements if you didn't have people with neutral logiblobs or orcas following them around. There's just no way to fight that aside from a very well laid trap with lots of friends which will work exactly once. I'm going to try a Stratios in some less well traveled systems. I feel like the popular mission systems around Dodixie have simply been Ninja'd to death.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1364	Posted - 2015.03.08 05:31:31 - [30] - Quote Chicanery and base cunning can help also. Stupid timer tricks come to mind. If you find someone who doesn't have their logi or friends on grid but perhaps docked up nearby then sometimes you can wiggle just right so they open up on you just before suspect drops. Having the cavalry drop on grid just as your yellow flashy status goes away can inspire some true evil consequences, such as CONCORDOKKEN or the logi going suspect and opening it up to a righteous stomping by a friend. All depends on the circumstances. Keeping lines of communication open to other like-minded evildoers nearby can be helpful. Of course it can also result in surprise buttsex as we do tend to predate our own kind. It is dark here. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.



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