It's very important that it be possible to disrupt peoples' money-making in nullsec, and AFK cloaking is one of the most effective ways. We're not worried about cloaked ships being overpowered because cloaked ships do very little DPS.

But we understand it has a pretty big psychological effect. We would like to make some changes...it may not be the changes people are expecting, though. For instance, I can tell you that AFK cloaking is not an issue in wormhole space and there are pretty good reasons for that.

ib4l for roumer mongering.. or redundant

It seems there may be some interesting changes on the way. Here is Fozzie's paraphrased answer when asked about cloaky camping:



When later asked whether this meant that local was being removed from null, Fozzie could "neither confirm nor deny".

Solid gold. No doubt it would solve the problem. But I suspect that a few null dwellers would like to see some sort of compensation for the increased risk that a delayed local (or similar) mechanic would represent.

Source: EVE Down Under #97 @ 1h12m. https://m.soundcloud.com/eve-down-under/eve-down-under-episode-97-060315

There is a kind of split in the direction of the game. It's apparent. But that's an organization for you and frankly it's clear that Eve Online is not driven by marketers. That's a good thing IMO.

It's an old debate though. Which way will it go? Up whose butt will the fist go? Anybody knows....

(I just had a couple of pints)

Anyway, how will cloaky campers be dealt with? I have experienced cloaky campers myself and I love that kind of player who plexes an account just to camp me because the ISK I was able to make exceeded my losses from when they do strike so I can ignore them.

Will cloaky camping be eliminated or will local be gotten rid of?

THAT

is the question.

Some will say getting rid of local will kill nullsec. I'm not 100 percent sure about it, but I suspect it'll be trouble. Thing is, I have been on the receiving end of local whereby hunters enter a system that I have trespassed into and know they have a potential target there from local. Of course, I also know they are there.

It could also be argued that I would not know they are there without local.

So local in nullsec is a double-edged sword. IMO it gives equal efficiency for hunter and hunted, offender and defender alike.

For that reason, and after seeing countless threads about it, I have drawn this conclusion that the scale is equally treated when an offensive move does not have the same intel as a defensive move.

We'll have to see. Worst that can happen is I lose some space pixels. I have still given away more ISK than I have lost.

Well Wolfe when they remove local from 0.0 like Foozzie basically confirmed similar to POWs blinking morse code, you will lose more like you admit... soooo....

Can you give me some isk so that you cant still say you give away more than you lose? Thanks so much, i will use said isk for nullsec conntent generation also, thanks again, like a few hundred mill will do. Thanks bud.

Mongered rumour mongering is gonna rumour monger.

ib4l for roumer mongering.. or redundant

The kicker is: nullsec isn't anywhere close to as lucrative as wh space. It's not an issue in wh space because wh space has enough isk to warrant the tradeoff.

Nothing new here, Fozzie already said in Vegas last year, that they want to replace local with a more active detection mechanism.

The kicker is: nullsec isn't anywhere close to as lucrative as wh space. It's not an issue in wh space because wh space has enough isk to warrant the tradeoff.

Ppl who can cope will go to wh space, where there's no sov bill and isk is aplenty.

Ppl who can't cope will go to highsec.

Nullsec will be depopulated. Good luck trying to convince people to not moving onto greener pasture (whs). With the logistics nerf, deep null dwellers has to scan whs for logistics anyway. If local is the same, anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together will figure out which is the better choice. Why pay sov bills for the same risks, same logistics headache, and less isk?

We're not worried about cloaked ships being overpowered because cloaked ships do very little DPS.

Source: EVE Down Under #97 @ 1h12m. https://m.soundcloud.com/eve-down-under/eve-down-under-episode-97-060315

It's be proposed multiple times, cloaked ships shouldn't be on Local.

It's be proposed multiple times, cloaked ships shouldn't be on Local.

Which means increased risk either way , so he has his work cut out for him.

And the reason people aren't afraid of AFK cloakers in w-space isn't because there's no local, since not knowing if someone is there results in the default assumption being that someone IS there. The reason is simply because you can't jump to cynos in w-space; literally the only way into the system is through a wormhole.

All you people talk about is AFK cloaking...

What about smacktalk or general social interaction.

No local "empties" space.

The now useless Cyno jammer will become a cloak jammer.

Pure speculation on my part but it would solve the issue.

It's be proposed multiple times, cloaked ships shouldn't be on Local.

I dont see why cloaky camping is so hard.

I have ALTS that are cloaky campers. And I admit I am not always at my desk.

So lets look at a couple of things.....

Local Chat - EVE is a player driven sand box right. So why for SOV space areas CCP havent created a communications module that needs to be placed in a system. When a communications HUB is in system then local appears. No communications hub no local.

That deals with local chat.

Cloaky ships.

Again have another hub that sends out a sonar ping say every couple of hours that shows you every ship within system. Including cloaky ships. These ships can be seen by members of a corp in the system map. (Just like scanning).

Similar to onlining a structure there is an audible sound that notifies that a sonar ping has been sent out, or maybe a visual affect on a ship.

If I was at my desk looking at my cloaky eyes then I would know that may have been found. If I wasnt at my desk then guess what. Gives members in a system a chance to find me.

Again no sonar hub in system, no way of finding a cloaky ship.

Just a couple of thoughts.

What's fantastic about CCP is their ability to find solutions to things that aren't problems.
Like AFK cloaking, force projection, suicide ganking, input broadcasting, and corp friendly fire.

And the reason people aren't afraid of AFK cloakers in w-space isn't because there's no local, since not knowing if someone is there results in the default assumption being that someone IS there. The reason is simply because you can't jump to cynos in w-space; literally the only way into the system is through a wormhole.

What's fantastic about CCP is their ability to find solutions to things that aren't problems.
Like AFK cloaking, force projection, suicide ganking, input broadcasting, and corp friendly fire.

Because not knowing the cloaker is there makes it safer.....?

You assume that the system is camped. So if you are going to pve, you factor in the risk and either pve with a group, pve with backup on call, not pve alone, or pve knowing that your ship will probably die horribly.

You assume the risk, instead of instantly running whenever local goes up by 1.
It's a different method of thinking.

but if the knowledge is removed doesn't that just make the paranoia a permanent thing?

Just get RSI in your d-scan finger, that relieves most of the paranoia

When I lived in a wormhole, I was convinced I was going to break d-scan from overuse

Begs the question...why not just assume the risk now?