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Gonada
Gallente Cross Roads
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Posted - 2006.10.14 13:44:00 -
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Edited by: Gonada on 14/10/2006 13:44:30 and realize that they could greatly improve conditions of thier games by:
requiring a CC to play beyond 14 days?
not allowing trial accounts to post on forums?
seriously, Im growing sick of this crap, spammers, hackers. macroers, 99% gone if they do just these two things.
and to the whiners that cry boo hoo! i dont have access to a cc, then use the internet debit withdrawl thing.
the whole point is to have poeple take some accountability in their lives, face it, WOW, most successful mmorpg game to date, requires and does the above, so why not eve?
-I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
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Beringe
Raptus Regaliter
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Posted - 2006.10.14 13:49:00 -
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The account being used is most likely not a trial, seeing as he is in a corporation.
It's probably some poor sod that fell for the keylogging scheme earlier and has been taken over.
CCP could install some flooding control, though. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language."
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Verus Potestas
Caldari Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.10.14 13:51:00 -
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Honestly, if they'd required that, I'd never have joined.
As for the other crap, spam is hacked accounts and wouldn't stop anything (look at Tom H if you need proof). Macroers have no need to post on the forums, and use stolen credit cards anyway (check the Ander's story on eve-pirate). Why the **** would hackers care about you needing a credit card? All it would do would be give them something else to steal.
So instead, I suggest that CCP prevent idiots from posting kneejerk reaction on the forums. This would improve things much more.
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Lady Ghoulia
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Posted - 2006.10.14 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada
and to the whiners that cry boo hoo! i dont have access to a cc, then use the internet debit withdrawl thing.
what makes a credit card holder a better person to play than a non-holder?
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Folstrum
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Posted - 2006.10.14 13:55:00 -
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Quote: the whole point is to have poeple take some accountability in their lives, face it, WOW, most successful mmorpg game to date, requires and does the above, so why not eve?
Actually I quite dislike WoW, and thats why I don't play it. Just because WoW has a lot of players doesn't mean it needs to be copied over and over and over.
Eve is a complex game, and forum participation for new players is quite essential.
Furthermore, without the free trial, I never would have played.
There are better ways of stopping macroers, and the isk spammers that come with it.
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Verus Potestas
Caldari Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.10.14 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada the whole point is to have poeple take some accountability in their lives, face it, WOW, most successful mmorpg game to date, requires and does the above, so why not eve?
This is most definitely the ultimate in great arguments, and as such, I stopped my music playing (Nightwish) and sent them off an email based on this very viewpoint.
Now, I eagerly await their next album, where they will have taken my advice on board, emulated the industry leaders, and released the song "Hit me wishmaster one more time"
RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy |
Savio
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2006.10.14 14:00:00 -
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Without the free trial i would never had begun playing it.. When i started playing eve i dident have a credit card so i used the pay with bank transfer thing.. i liked there were good ways to pay to play even thought you dident have a credit card.. i do have one now.. but still it think ccp would loos loads of possible new players if they requered these things..
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DukDodgerz
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.10.14 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Ghoulia
Originally by: Gonada
and to the whiners that cry boo hoo! i dont have access to a cc, then use the internet debit withdrawl thing.
what makes a credit card holder a better person to play than a non-holder?
it doesnt.
It makes a trail to their RL that makes them accountable.
If they use an account to cause damage, to do anything that would enact a ban, then CCP knows who, and can ban all the accounts of the CC holder.
This would also help ensure that the parents of little kiddies will know what 'johny' is up too.
I see no reason to not use the suggestions.
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Gonada
Gallente Cross Roads
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Posted - 2006.10.14 14:10:00 -
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Without the free trial i would never had begun playing it..
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no keep the free trial, just not let them post on forums, except in a moderated noob section.
but still it think ccp would loose loads of possible new players if they requered these things.. ----------
thats why i briefly spoke bout WoW, they require it yet, look at their customers( 5 mill +)
face it, if you like a game, youll do whatever it takes to play it. thats the nature of desire.
-I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
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Verus Potestas
Caldari Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.10.14 14:13:00 -
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^^ Have you completely failed to read my post, or even thought about the complete lack of effect your measures would have?
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McTaggart
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.10.14 14:29:00 -
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Flood control is all that's needed tbh.
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Abdalion
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.10.14 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: McTaggart Flood control is all that's needed tbh.
I agree.
There have already been many steps taken by CCP to stop trial account abuse. ___
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Abdalion
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.10.14 14:36:00 -
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And as for CCP growing up ever?
I hope not. I really love their nuttiness. ___
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Gonada
Gallente Cross Roads
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Posted - 2006.10.14 14:37:00 -
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^^ Have you completely failed to read my post, or even thought about the complete lack of effect your measures would have? -----------------
hmm lets see..
requiring CC to play would damn near eliminate the macro problem, or least make it alot more difficult as with every bannin that cc would be useless, and chinese macro types prob cant get much access to many cc's.
exploters, hackers ect would face the same problem, as it is now, banned? big deal, buy an account, buy isk, buy GTC play and exploit hack some more.
-I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
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Verus Potestas
Caldari Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.10.14 14:39:00 -
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Did you miss the part with stolen credit cards?
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Enotz
Amarr Terminus Est Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.10.14 14:42:00 -
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If eve hadn't had a free trial, i'd never've picked it up.
Same with the CC. If they didn't have GTC, I would've quit a month ago.
having, or not having, a CC doesn't make you more likely to spam, it just means you have a CC ffs.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.14 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Abdalion And as for CCP growing up ever?
I hope not. I really love their nuttiness.
Yeah, you fit right in... --- Eve Wiki | Eve Tribune | Eve Pirate |
Agent Lemming
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Posted - 2006.10.14 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada Edited by: Gonada on 14/10/2006 13:44:30 and realize that they could greatly improve conditions of thier games by:
requiring a CC to play beyond 14 days?
not allowing trial accounts to post on forums?
seriously, Im growing sick of this crap, spammers, hackers. macroers, 99% gone if they do just these two things.
and to the whiners that cry boo hoo! i dont have access to a cc, then use the internet debit withdrawl thing.
the whole point is to have poeple take some accountability in their lives, face it, WOW, most successful mmorpg game to date, requires and does the above, so why not eve?
Having to have a credit card is not a problem for me, however I don't see that requiring it would stop people from abusing the system. You say that WoW requires the use of a CC, however to be honest that doesn't stop abuse.
I do play WoW (so what, I enjoy it and EvE too, doesn't make me a bad person ) and regularly receive whispers from gold sellers (usually at least once per day), see gold sellers advertising outside the Ironforge bank, see bots farming mobs etc etc... as said previously in this thread having a credit card doesn't stop people from doing bad things. |
John117MGS
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Posted - 2006.10.14 14:48:00 -
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Not all countries are fond of credit cards and Im not going to get one just for eve.
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Verus Potestas
Caldari Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.10.14 15:14:00 -
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And Gonada, please post some evidence that needing a credit card stops any of these things.
I, for one, would like to offer this as evidence that maybe WoW isn't without it's problems...
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Gonada
Gallente Cross Roads
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Posted - 2006.10.14 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Abdalion -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And as for CCP growing up ever?
I hope not. I really love their nuttiness. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ok this is true :)
and ver the point of the topic is to try to get some control of the situation.
i dont wanna sound all hard ass bout it, but with no accountability you have to rely on the maturity and honesty of the players, and though 95% of us are indeed that, its the 5% that screw it for everyone in the long run.
-I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
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Quin Tal
Fort Knox Inc Expeto Libertas Foedus
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Posted - 2006.10.14 16:12:00 -
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Don't compare CCP to Blizzard's success. Blizzard has been around forever and has 4,000+ employees including GM's.
CCP does what they can with their resources, so please... shh.
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Vasco Falcon
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Posted - 2006.10.14 16:16:00 -
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Edited by: Vasco Falcon on 14/10/2006 16:16:06
Originally by: Verus Potestas And Gonada, please post some evidence that needing a credit card stops any of these things.
I, for one, would like to offer this as evidence that maybe WoW isn't without it's problems...
Blizzard just banned 76000 accounts world wide for this naughtyness........ http://www.wow-europe.com/en/
Where ever theres large amounts of money to be made this criminality will follow, which is all these people are as can be seen from their enthusism to use key loggers and such like, it just seems to be about staying a foot ahead of them which is hard to do bearing in mind that these are actually companys/business with employees trying to merely marco and thieve away.
Btw imagine the impact 76k account bans would have on Eve, theyd certainly be alot less lag lol.
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Araxmas
Caldari Imperial Space Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.14 16:19:00 -
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Just delete Jita and all pilots with it, it wont solve the problem but will anyone complain?
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tyrol
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.10.14 16:29:00 -
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please dont delete jita just yet, im currently stuck there. :)
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Barth3zzzNL
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.14 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: McTaggart Flood control is all that's needed tbh.
I agree.
There have already been many steps taken by CCP to stop trial account abuse.
Wow... already...? Talk about fast... Not...
Why cant they just spend 60 bucks on a decent forum? Using whatever this piece of junk was based on obviously doesnt work... ---------------------------
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Xs 142
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Posted - 2006.10.14 17:25:00 -
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Did the funny-man just compare EvE and WoW? Someone get the tar and feathers...
Originally by: Oveur Eternally yours, The other dumbass
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zeKzn
Empire of Destiny
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Posted - 2006.10.14 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada the whole point is to have poeple take some accountability in their lives, face it, WOW, most successful mmorpg game to date, requires and does the above, so why not eve?
Unfortunately, no matter how good a point you may make, bringing up WoW as an example to support that point is guaranteed to inflame the inherent inferiority complex in most eve players and thus they'll fight your point to the death, even if its perfectly argued and makes perfect sense. _______
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Verus Potestas
Caldari Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.10.14 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Vasco Falcon Edited by: Vasco Falcon on 14/10/2006 16:16:06
Originally by: Verus Potestas And Gonada, please post some evidence that needing a credit card stops any of these things.
I, for one, would like to offer this as evidence that maybe WoW isn't without it's problems...
Blizzard just banned 76000 accounts world wide for this naughtyness........ http://www.wow-europe.com/en/
Where ever theres large amounts of money to be made this criminality will follow, which is all these people are as can be seen from their enthusism to use key loggers and such like, it just seems to be about staying a foot ahead of them which is hard to do bearing in mind that these are actually companys/business with employees trying to merely marco and thieve away.
Btw imagine the impact 76k account bans would have on Eve, theyd certainly be alot less lag lol.
Well, comparing bans vs subscriber numbers, that would be equivalent to about 1500 Eve accounts, which IS a lot. Still, however, when I clicked many of the adverts in that google search, they all still say they have plenty of gold in stock, available for immediate delivery.
Still, lots of bans do not have anything to do with a credit card requirement, simply many, MANY more GMs.
RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy |
Isyel
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.10.14 17:47:00 -
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Your WoW comparing argument fails. Why?
You can pay WoW trough Timecards too.
(Seems this time i posted correctly ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Originally by: Jim McGregor
All the nodes are belong to us!
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Trajan Halbrand
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Posted - 2006.10.14 17:58:00 -
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Doesn't WOW have time cards as well?
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Hectic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.15 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Abdalion And as for CCP growing up ever?
I hope not. I really love their nutts.
There, I fixed it for you!
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M4sterm1nd
DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.15 09:33:00 -
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Maybe extending the no-isk-transfer rules of the trial accounts to a no-transfer rule altogether might help. Trial accounts could still receive isk/modules/ships from corps that want to help them, so that the introduction would not be spoiled for the honest players, but they couldn't transfer anything back. Not escrow, not isk, not mods, nothing. That would open the possibility of monitoring accounts with a certain isk transferred to isk spent ratio, and question those that are suspect. Accounts found to be trading is could be banned, and IP-banned on repeated offense.
Although, realistically speaking, implementing such an algorithm over the 120K players in eve would lag the [expletive deleted] out of the game, I suspect. Not to mention it would contradict the very premise of the game : absolute freedom to choose your own path.
Personally, I'd say stuff em. If certain people feel good about cheating the game by abuse of game mechanics, let them. No skin off my nose. I dont talk to them, I dont deal with them, and I dont help them. I have no problem with farmers and maphackers. I feel I am above such practises myself, but I'm not about to impose my high morals on others.
But if accountability and lynching are your thing, go for those that buy the isk, not those that sell it. The drug dealer will always find a way to peddle his wares, and has the motivation to work around any measure you may take to block him. It's the junks you can hunt down. Them you can grief right out of the game. It is completely possible to make buying isk so detrimental to a character, that only VERY few would dare try it. That would collapse the isk selling market to a level where it is so unprofitable to buy isk at all, that noone would eve bother starting an isk-selling scheme, and eventually only very few sellers would remain.
Here comes the invisible hand tho, because said collapse would make the price for isk so low as to make it very tempting to buy isk. If you can keep pressure on the witch hunt for isk-buyers, you're set. If not, the whole thing blows up in your face and you're back at square one.
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Redart
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.10.15 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada WOW, most successful mmorpg game to date, requires and does the above, so why not eve?
Funny. I always thought WoW got it's 5mil extra subscribers this year because you can go to any game store or even WALMART and buy a time card.
Damn. I guess I was wrong.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.10.15 10:09:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 15/10/2006 10:14:15 If they require credit cards, they'll lose a lot of players e.g. from Germany. I don't have a credit card, I usually don't need one. I can pay in all bigger shops or get fuel with my car with my electronic cash card that accesses my bank account.
My bills for electricity, insurances etc. are also deduced automatically from my bank account via ELV. Even the bills for the GTCs I buy at an online-shop in Germany. I get the key within a few hours via email (or could also get it immediately, if I registered for that service) and they take the money a few days later from my bank account. So currently no real reason to get a CC.
(especially since I'm stills studying and have no big income )
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framolia
Gallente The Breakfast Club
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Posted - 2006.10.15 10:24:00 -
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Edited by: framolia on 15/10/2006 10:24:37
Originally by: Gonada ^^ Have you completely failed to read my post, or even thought about the complete lack of effect your measures would have? -----------------
hmm lets see..
requiring CC to play would damn near eliminate the macro problem, or least make it alot more difficult as with every bannin that cc would be useless, and chinese macro types prob cant get much access to many cc's.
exploters, hackers ect would face the same problem, as it is now, banned? big deal, buy an account, buy isk, buy GTC play and exploit hack some more.
You Elitest Retard!!!
There are millions of decent people out there, who do not qualify for a credit card! The way you are making your argument, is that you want TQ just for you!
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Verone
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.10.15 10:42:00 -
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Edited by: Verone on 15/10/2006 10:42:07
Originally by: Lady Ghoulia
Originally by: Gonada
and to the whiners that cry boo hoo! i dont have access to a cc, then use the internet debit withdrawl thing.
what makes a credit card holder a better person to play than a non-holder?
It doesn't, but it does make them traceable a lot easier if they start to mess with Eve's servers or services.
To be honest, if people want to have a trial account, they should have to input their credit card details to confirm who they are, and they shouldn't be charged until they decide to upgrade from a trial account to a full account.
The recent spam attacks have been rediculous, not from CCP's angle, but from the angle of the moron(s) who have been doing it.
It's obviously some 12 year old who's been ganked and lost all his stuff, can't handle it and is taking it out on the community.
TBH if CCP find out who they are, they should get their legal team on it IMO.
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Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.15 11:15:00 -
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Edited by: Xenofur on 15/10/2006 11:16:49 Will short-sighted americans ever grow up?
And realize not everyone is shackled to credit cards?
Seriously, i have many good american friends, but as of now i have met far more people from america who barely seem to recognize there is a world beyond the star-spangled banner which doesn't conform to their rules.
Sidenote:
> The recent spam attacks have been rediculous, not from > CCP's angle, but from the angle of the moron(s) who have > been doing it.
They were equally ridiculous for CCP too, seeing how they don't even seem to have the capacity to ban certain urls from simply being posted. ;)
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Rick Dentill
Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.15 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada
requiring a CC to play beyond 14 days?
At the risk of sounding dumb, what is a CC? _______
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Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.15 11:42:00 -
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credit card :) as it's linked to your social id number or something in the usa it's a nice way to idetify you securely. other countries use other methods tho, which is something certain people probably will never understand. ^^
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Angelic Resolution
The Arcanum
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Posted - 2006.10.15 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Xenofur credit card :) as it's linked to your social id number or something in the usa it's a nice way to idetify you securely. other countries use other methods tho, which is something certain people probably will never understand. ^^
I live in Aus, social ID? Nopes :P Sorry but a credit card requirement is just bull****, some people don't believe in having them as they're affraid to go into debit. Others don't have them because they don't have the credit rating but can afford to play their EVE account. CC requirements are stupid IMO.
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Xs 142
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Posted - 2006.10.15 13:33:00 -
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I got a CC... And you know what? I got something called E-Card along with it, it allows me to generate CC # randomly for use online that can't be tracked back to me without being a cop.. And yes, it's legal, the bank supplies the software and everything. So how would a CC req help this case?
Seriously, tell me.
Originally by: Oveur Eternally yours, The other dumbass
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Stratharn
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Posted - 2006.10.15 22:28:00 -
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Saying that the map hackers (WTF are those?), macroers and spammers etc won't affect you is a bit of a fallacy.
The defences that the game developers may produce to protect their game can easily get in the way of legitimate gameplay. I've seen it in numerous MMOs.
1. Anti-spam countdown timers on chat posts. 2. Lag producing, but more secure, ways of avoiding client hacks. (I forget the circumstances: Ultima Online.) 3. Certain features being removed due to the exploiting of their purpose. (Asherons' Call: The torch-lag 'exploit')
4. Certain actions being outlawed due to unintentional gameplay effects in SOME circumstances. (Being illegal to stand on a roof to shoot a bow in a specific place in Shadowbane)
5. The constant re-jigging of the economy, and gross inflation/"Monty Haul" effect due to macroers and semi-tolerated powergamers. (Horizons... and to some extent Eve.)
Thinking you're above it, and ignoring the problem, is a good way to get the game you enjoy mutated to the point where you're finding it a pain in the neck to play.
Rob http://www.chainblade.com/
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Ariel Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.15 22:43:00 -
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Edited by: Ariel Dawn on 15/10/2006 22:45:16 I can go to a mall and come back home with 40 different credit cards by just signing up for all of the special cards large stores offer. Your 'requirement' wouldn't solve anything.
Secondly, are you some sort of delicate princess? Spammers, macroers? Spare us your nerdrage and learn how to ignore it all. Theres a reason why there is a block command. If you can't handle what you should by now EXPECT to find when playing games over the internet, why the hell are you playing the game?
Shut up and IGNORE IT.
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Gonada
Gallente Cross Roads
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Posted - 2006.10.15 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ariel Dawn I can go to a mall and come back home with 40 different credit cards by just signing up for all of the special cards large stores offer. Your 'requirement' wouldn't solve anything.
Secondly, are you some sort of delicate princess? Spammers, macroers? Spare us your nerdrage and learn how to ignore it all. Theres a reason why there is a block command. If you can't handle what you should by now EXPECT to find when playing games over the internet, why the hell are you playing the game?
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pretty funny, eveidentally you have had your head up your ass this past month and have not seen the forum spoamming hacking attempts, nor the pityful crys of the foolish who fell for it.
thats what i was talkin bout, more than the macroers anyways.
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Ariel Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.15 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada
pretty funny, eveidentally you have had your head up your ass this past month and have not seen the forum spoamming hacking attempts, nor the pityful crys of the foolish who fell for it.
thats what i was talkin bout, more than the macroers anyways.
And evidently you can't read. You know why I didn't mention it? Because I IGNORED it. I expect to find such things on the internet, EVE included. People who were dumb enough to fall for such a blatantly obvious attempt to steal one's account deserve to lose their stuff, as chances are that they would have done so at some point in the future anyways. Why exactly should CCP cater to morons? If they hypothetically *did* fix the "problems" you listed, chances are you'd be off in search of another topic to whine about. How about using tools available to you (re. Block command, BRAIN) to solve the problems yourself?
Spammer = Block Macroer = Ignore/Steal/Destroy Forum Spammer = Ignore
Oh wow, that was sure hard. I wish CCP had helped me out on that one!
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The Bookmarkar
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Posted - 2006.10.15 23:27:00 -
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man credit cards are for suckers with more money than sense or no money at all !!
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Ehker Gerete
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.10.16 00:15:00 -
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Edited by: Ehker Gerete on 16/10/2006 00:16:34
Originally by: Xenofur Edited by: Xenofur on 15/10/2006 11:16:49 Will short-sighted americans ever grow up?
And realize not everyone is shackled to credit cards?
Seriously, i have many good american friends, but as of now i have met far more people from america who barely seem to recognize there is a world beyond the star-spangled banner which doesn't conform to their rules.
Sidenote:
> The recent spam attacks have been rediculous, not from > CCP's angle, but from the angle of the moron(s) who have > been doing it.
They were equally ridiculous for CCP too, seeing how they don't even seem to have the capacity to ban certain urls from simply being posted. ;)
I agree. and I live in america. I've never been out of it, tbh
Originally by: framolia Edited by: framolia on 15/10/2006 10:24:37
Originally by: Gonada ^^ Have you completely failed to read my post, or even thought about the complete lack of effect your measures would have? -----------------
hmm lets see..
requiring CC to play would damn near eliminate the macro problem, or least make it alot more difficult as with every bannin that cc would be useless, and chinese macro types prob cant get much access to many cc's.
exploters, hackers ect would face the same problem, as it is now, banned? big deal, buy an account, buy isk, buy GTC play and exploit hack some more.
You Elitest Retard!!!
There are millions of decent people out there, who do not qualify for a credit card! The way you are making your argument, is that you want TQ just for you!
I suggest you go play with yourself in a corner and reflect on you attitude to others.
I definitley agree. I'm 14 and my bank says I have to be 16 for a checking account, but I'm not a scammer/marcoer/whatever. Speaking of ages, requiring a CC wouldn't get rid of the spammers/whiners. It's usually the 12 year olds on mommies CC doing the whining. requiring a CC wouldn't stop them while the mature people my age paying through paypal-bought GTC with money they worked for would all have to leave, and there'd just be less good people playing.
And not all macroers are chinese. thats just plain stupid to assume.
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