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Darth Vodka
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Posted - 2003.10.31 15:53:00 -
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damn this website is slow to respond today, hope you're not getting dos attacked again.
Anyway, this guy obviously is having a bad hair day / got out wrong side of the bed this mornin.
it's not realistic to say that posts like this are ruining Eve, most people probably took a quick look and moved onto the next one. A lot of the Eve player base don't even read these forums
i don't agree with the initial poster, except to say that warp-in gate griefers will need sorting out soon, but that's not the only important changes that are needed
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.31 15:54:00 -
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I am Tharizduns unruly bladder.
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Killgorde
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Posted - 2003.10.31 15:55:00 -
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It is possible Tharizdun got waxed by lag tactics utilised by the bereft of intelligence/wit and was POA (Podded on Arrival). I can't think of any other reason for him to be so irate - pirates are integral and necessary to Eve (even if most of them smell bad and carry all manner of venereal disease).
An amusing aside extracted from the Eve Support db though...
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Killed by a pirate due to lag
Q: What happened and will i get reimbursed?
A: When a player jumps into a system, he is loaded into the system before he sees space and his options load on-screen. This is how the gameplay is implemented. The spawnpoints, where the ships re-appear in the jumped-to-system, are few and that makes it easy for soulless pirates to target and kill defenseless pilots before they can do anything. Some pirates have used numerous battle drones, causing even more lag, which can make your spawntime even longer and thus easier for the pirates to kill you. Since it has been decreed by CCP that this is a gameplay issue and the lag is player created, we are not able to reimburse players that get hit this way.
Which, if memory serves me correct, is a complete about-face from CCP on the use of lag exploits. I seem to recall the nerfing of tin jettisoning to stop just this kind of thing - some bright spark at Dev HQ obviously realised afterwards the same couldn't be done with drones and did an about face on policy.
Maybe it should read:
A:"We at CCP freely admit that the game engine for combat is about as much use as a chocolate fire-guard and have given up trying to make it realistic and balanced for all parties involved (i.e those camping and those jumping/warping into the camped area) - so dont come whining to us if some kids deliberately lag the game out so they can pod you - it aint our problem anymore...err...until we can fix it at which time the "decree" will be irrelevant"
Killgorde
CEO - Cutting Edge Incorporated
"I thought I saw a light at the end of the tunnel but it turned out to be some bastard with a torch in one hand and a ****load more work for me in the other" |
Rinekar
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Posted - 2003.10.31 15:56:00 -
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Edited by: Rinekar on 31/10/2003 15:57:37
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As anyone can see the numbers of the game are plummeting. This is because CCP simply cannot contol the human pirate problem that has runed the game. You want to push us out but encourage rampit pirate activities to the point that there is no reason to leave Empire space.
My Corp members give you till Jan. of 2004 to ******* fix this problem else we have decided to cancel ALL of our accounts upon expiration, period! This is a very good game that is seriously lacking in control of purely evil people and content.
Your game will die and the servers WILL close because there will simply be no more PAYING customers. Then we can all rejoice over spending $40 for a game that was a total failure.
The time has come to choose, do you want to promote evil people or paying customers.
Screw the damned pirates. They do not pay the majority of your income.
I will remind you that the mags I read gave this game 3 stars at best. So, you are already fighting an uphill battle to keep this afloat. Your only hope now is word of mouth and I don't now ANYONE who is promoting this game.
Finally, I lost a very close friend who did play this game but quit. Another reason for me to consider NOT renewing my subscription.
It's sad when Battlefield 1942 is both free and more fun to play than EVE. The clock is ticking.... time to decide.
Yawn...........
How many idiots have to post threads like this? Great so you have an MBA, so do a lot of people playing this game. However that does not make up for your obvious lack of common sense. If you want to be an "educated" person you should first consider all the variables before you make any decision in this game. I agree with the others that have posted before me in the fact that if you want to effect a change do it RATIONALY! Do not come to these boards and demand because it only wastes your time and others in this community. I can understand if you lost a ship, but if you did not have it insured you need to re-evaluate how you conduct your "business" in game. All I can say to you is take a deep breath, relax and consider all of the variables before you make a decision in game. Maybe you can save yourself and ulcer... 
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Arms Merchant
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:15:00 -
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"This guy is upset because he got owned in PvP (like we all haven't? did you know there are 2 Gan ning clones in circulation right now as we speak?)"
He probably wasnt owned in PvP. Some lame exploiter probably had about 20 mining drones deployed and he jumped then woke up in a stations cloning vat.
These people arent even pirates if they were theyd act like Space Invaders and demand your cargo. Theyre griefers who get off on blowing people up. Just look at Tank CEO hes the ultimate griefer.
The only thing CCP screwed up on is not banning him when he was podding newbies in 1.0 space with a -10.0 security rating.
Ban the 5% of the PK Griefers who are ruining the game and legitimate piracy will make a return. Until then people will see all pirates as bad because theyre comparing them to the griefers.
Arms Merchant
(Beta 4 tester)
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Koda
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:16:00 -
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I'm with Joshua. I think the Carebear/Pirate labels are a very black and white way of looking at things. I dare say a lot of us fall in between.
What fun would this game be without pirates? There is no Diablo to venture into the labyrinth after.
Pirates have filled this gap. They've presented the enemy for the supposed "good guys" to go after. (I say supposed only because morals seem to become relative in 0.0)
I'm staying put in Eve and waiting to see where things go.
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LargeNuts
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Posted - 2003.11.12 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: LargeNuts on 12/11/2003 19:49:09
Yes, Tank CEO should have been banned. He's just bad for the game. Killing Noobs is not cool. We need to keep a player base damnit. Now, if he was killing AFK mining CareBears, thats different...Then it's just funny.
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Reptar
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Posted - 2003.11.12 19:59:00 -
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no ppl like tank ceo can be seen as rolemodels to. Hell id love to be like tank ceo, most of u are just jealous cause u cant. I love u tank
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Reptar
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Posted - 2003.11.12 20:00:00 -
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hell if pirates got booted as they were being pirates, id cancel my subscription and so would many others. Shhhesssssshhh carbears annoy me
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Xander Teg
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Posted - 2003.11.12 20:02:00 -
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Edited by: Xander Teg on 13/11/2003 13:06:47
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As anyone can see the numbers of the game are plummeting. This is because CCP simply cannot contol the human pirate problem that has runed the game. You want to push us out but encourage rampit pirate activities to the point that there is no reason to leave Empire space.
My Corp members give you till Jan. of 2004 to ******* fix this problem else we have decided to cancel ALL of our accounts upon expiration, period! This is a very good game that is seriously lacking in control of purely evil people and content.
Your game will die and the servers WILL close because there will simply be no more PAYING customers. Then we can all rejoice over spending $40 for a game that was a total failure.
The time has come to choose, do you want to promote evil people or paying customers.
Screw the damned pirates. They do not pay the majority of your income.
I will remind you that the mags I read gave this game 3 stars at best. So, you are already fighting an uphill battle to keep this afloat. Your only hope now is word of mouth and I don't now ANYONE who is promoting this game.
Finally, I lost a very close friend who did play this game but quit. Another reason for me to consider NOT renewing my subscription.
It's sad when Battlefield 1942 is both free and more fun to play than EVE. The clock is ticking.... time to decide.
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Ariell Lucinwind
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Posted - 2003.11.12 20:04:00 -
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<< sighs >>
If this game turns into a mining simulator I am outa here. But thank CCP and god that it hasn't yet. Which god to thank is beyond me Iam still working on that one.
And on another note there are days where my SIG is a great rebuttle for some of these threads.
I may have to add this one.
I read a book on "MBA for Dummies", doesn't make me a business genius.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2003.11.12 20:06:00 -
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Quote:
As anyone can see the numbers of the game are plummeting. This is because CCP simply cannot contol the human pirate problem that has runed the game. You want to push us out but encourage rampit pirate activities to the point that there is no reason to leave Empire space.
My Corp members give you till Jan. of 2004 to ******* fix this problem else we have decided to cancel ALL of our accounts upon expiration, period! This is a very good game that is seriously lacking in control of purely evil people and content.
Your game will die and the servers WILL close because there will simply be no more PAYING customers. Then we can all rejoice over spending $40 for a game that was a total failure.
The time has come to choose, do you want to promote evil people or paying customers.
Screw the damned pirates. They do not pay the majority of your income.
I will remind you that the mags I read gave this game 3 stars at best. So, you are already fighting an uphill battle to keep this afloat. Your only hope now is word of mouth and I don't now ANYONE who is promoting this game.
Finally, I lost a very close friend who did play this game but quit. Another reason for me to consider NOT renewing my subscription.
It's sad when Battlefield 1942 is both free and more fun to play than EVE. The clock is ticking.... time to decide.
Stupid , without pirate and "evil" palyers== total boredom
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Earthan
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Posted - 2003.11.12 20:15:00 -
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Seems we share a love for Tristans Ariell
Have been flying in cruisers and bs for long, but its still the ship that looks coolest:)
Stars, stars like dust, all around me.... |
Akunosh Ryo
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Posted - 2003.11.12 20:42:00 -
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After reading your post I'd pod ya too.
Btw, Cya.
(No I didn't read all 5 pages)
A once retired pilot, now, once again helping those that fight the good fight. |
Earthan
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Posted - 2003.11.12 20:55:00 -
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Edited by: Earthan on 12/11/2003 20:59:09
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Edited by: Syme on 31/10/2003 15:03:41
Tharizdun does have a valid point, even if it is not made very well.
Consider the average Eve player ôJoeö, he probably has a battleship and a couple of friends in a small corp with a bs and an indy. He fancies a trip into 0.0 space with his mates, where CCP want him to be, to either mine, hunt or just explore. However the nearest access to 0.0 is blockaded by pirates at the jump in points.
Our average player isnÆt adverse to a little PvP action but he knows that if he tried to run the blockade his chances of getting through are minimal. So what does he do? He goes back to mining.
Some idiot then jumps into the belt, tries to steal his ore but only gets a little, and flames our average Joe for mining in empire space in a battleship.
JoeÆs friend in the bs then says @$%@ this and decides to become a pirate, so that is one less corpmate and the indy drifts off to make some isk trading.
So what is Joe meant to do? He doesnÆt want to farm 2.5k rates, he has done enough Omber mining to last his whole Eve life, he doesnÆt really understand the market (which he keeps being told is bugged anyway), he has done enough agent missions and doesnÆt want to be a pirate, pirate hunter or in a mega corp.
All he really wants is a bit of excitement (including being hunted himself) in 0.0 space and a safe bed in Empire with his corpmates.
As Joe turns in despair to the Escape button he decides to put Eve aside for a while.
So all you PvPs, what are you going to do to make Joe log on again? And donÆt just throw the ball to CCP, all players in the community have a responsibility to the game too if they want to keep it alive.
(btw Joe is not me, I'm going to keep on trucking until the server is switched off)
I dont know why everyone is dead afraid of gate campers.Speed up your ship to more then 2000m/s and you can forget all the campers,the only issue may be lag espacially on modem , wich i must admit sucks big time and should be really solved soon
For a long time in 0.0 passing through fd-mlj twice a week, havent been killed for along time (3-4 month) .Passing both in cruisers and bs.
Stars, stars like dust, all around me.... |
Reptar
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Posted - 2003.11.12 20:59:00 -
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Tharizdun im deffinately going to try and pod u aswell what a carbear!
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2003.11.12 21:04:00 -
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omg what a troll...oh well, i think im teh first in this thread.
Suggestion: subscribe to this one...it rulz
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Juju Mojo
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Posted - 2003.11.12 21:06:00 -
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I just skimmed over many of the posts in this thread, so excuse me if someone already made this point:
I think the underlying point of Tharizdun's post is, that PvP in this game is a predator/prey relationship, and that right now, there are too many predators. In a situation like this, the prey either gets frustrated and leaves the game, or gives up and joins with the predators. Either way, the game gets worse for the remaining prey, and the game takes a downward spiral from there.
There needs to be a happy balance between the two groups, or the game is almost certain to fail, because Eve's economic model simply cannot support all predators (someone has to keep minerals coming in, or the whole system collapses). |
Reptar
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Posted - 2003.11.12 21:08:00 -
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um i think your missing a point if there are to many pirates then the demand will go up raising the prices of minerals and ships etc. It balances
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Toulak
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Posted - 2003.11.12 21:08:00 -
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Well I can say I aint ****ed off with CCP..
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Reptar
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Posted - 2003.11.12 21:09:00 -
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hell i love ccp for creating a bloody great game
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Juju Mojo
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Posted - 2003.11.12 21:20:00 -
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um i think your missing a point if there are to many pirates then the demand will go up raising the prices of minerals and ships etc. It balances
Were not talking about money, we're talking about frustration. If the prey leaves it won't be because they didn't feel they were making enough in game money, it will be because they are not enjoying themselves.
Flat out, there needs to be a happy balance between player types in this game. This game will fail as a mining simulator, but equally so, it would fail as counterstrike in ships. There must be a balance, period.
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Artean
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Posted - 2003.11.12 21:30:00 -
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Tharizdun >> Seems like the replies to your thread proves your point (or lack of) is wrong. Seems like most people enjoy the pvp elements of the game.
Perhaps the reason behind the decreasing server pop is totally different from the one you have thought up?
BF 1942 more fun than EVE? You just got to be kiddin... |
Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.12 21:59:00 -
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For those of you participating in the 'definitions' thread, I think Tharizdun just gave us a textbook example of one of the words; I will let you figure out which.
On a serious note, Tharizdun, PvP is absolutely the single most important aspect of this game. The success of every player depends almost exclusively on the ability of combat pilots to destroy manufactured ships and goods.
Granted, the system is fairly broken as it stands now, but that has nothing to do with the "damn pirates" or the philosophy behind PvP in general; it has to do with good design and coding.
If you don't like PvP, that's fine - don't play EVE.
Veruna Caseti
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Aethelgrin
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Posted - 2003.11.12 22:41:00 -
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Way to go, Tharizdun; you appealed to the degree for which I have the least respect. What exactly gets taught in an MBA programme? I've never been able to work that out.
Look, a lot of MMOG development is based on solid business practices. A strong, but avoidable PvP element generally wins subscribers. Hardcore players are the centre of your community - casual players will follow hardcore players, but without the hardcore players the community dies.
Did you do any reasearch at all before writing this rant, or is actual knowledge anethema to an MBA?
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threeD
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Posted - 2003.11.12 22:42:00 -
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Edited by: threeD on 12/11/2003 22:48:39
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As anyone can see the numbers of the game are plummeting.
And as this SHOCKING graph indicates.. you're mistaken.
Looks to me like theres been a decrease of about 500 players since release - PLUMMETING, it's not.. we ain't hit the iceberg just yet, my friend, this thing could still go either way.
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You want to push us out but encourage rampit pirate activities to the point that there is no reason to leave Empire space.
FFS! grow some gonads, man.. this is a GAME and is supposed to be engaging and competative - everyone else realises this and has adapted to the environment in their own way.. everyone except the FEEBLE minority that believe the game is made soley for them.
Eve, like RL, is what you make of it.
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Screw the damned pirates. They do not pay the majority of your income.
Fortunatly neither do the whining ****S.
ah **** it, The rest of this ranting post isn't worth bothering about.. besides I've succeeded in my aim of showing the shocking graph.. :P
btw, with a winge like that, I think you've got more to worry about than just being podded by pirates - hell, If I see you I'll have a go m8.
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Troezar
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Posted - 2003.11.12 22:54:00 -
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CCP need to act fast as I have just bought SWG and despite my reservations it is very good, good enough to keep me away from Eve atm. Time is CCP's biggest enemy as there are other games out there where pvp is possible and fun, hopefully this gets sorted as I really like Eve but there is just not enough new to do atm. Eve needs to get the fun factor back, less mining and boring missions and more action please.
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Jonathon Reynolds
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Posted - 2003.11.12 23:07:00 -
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I'm not sure which is less productive; Tharizdun's original thread, or some of the "responses" it has received.
In answer to Tharizdun's post; I would have to suggest that you do indeed cancel your subscription and choose a different game; as EVE is a game that was designed to support PvP in the form of piracy.
There are still problems on both side of the "fence"; JIP camping needs to be resolved, just as providing feasible means to pirate effectively needs to be addressed.
There is no "pirate problem"; just an "exploit" problem, which CCP is in the process of addressing.
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Hackett
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Posted - 2003.11.12 23:08:00 -
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Guys - this was another forum troll turfing up another old thread to start a flame war again - let it die like it should have done - originally posted in October
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Erty
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Posted - 2003.11.12 23:31:00 -
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1. lol
2. The average in reviews is like 8-9 in Europe.
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