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Arthur Aihaken X A X 4107	Posted - 2015.03.10 23:40:48 - [1] - Quote Goal: To further/enhance careers as salvagers. Proposal: On mission completion, any and all associated wrecks become abandoned ("blue") and generate warble beacon(s) in the Overview. These beacons would subsequently disappear along with system removal of wrecks. Details: Shipwreck beacons are separate from standard beacons in that they have a different symbol and can be toggled on/off in the Overview settings (mainly to avoid clutter for non treasure hunters). I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Zimmer Jones Aliastra Gallente Federation 145	Posted - 2015.03.11 00:22:31 - [2] - Quote Hasn't CCP made it easy enough to use probes? Honestly, you idea is about lazyness and bypassing skills. You should at least pretend to work for your free isk. It is already one of the lowest risk forms of income, and you want to make it bottable. No, unsupported Real eyes Realize Real Lies
Leto Aramaus Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop 75	Posted - 2015.03.11 00:23:49 - [3] - Quote I don't agree that wrecks should go Blue ('abandoned') after the mission is complete. The mission runner still owns those wrecks, and a treasure hunter should have the excitement of wondering if he will be hunted down after stealing from abandoned battlefields. I don't agree that the mission's location should turn into a public beacon after mission completion. Treasure hunters should have to use probes to scan the abandoned deadspace down. However... correct me if I'm wrong, I think currently if you run a mission, complete it, warp out (and there are no other ships in any of the deadspace rooms) all mission gates/rooms/and wrecks will de-spawn. I think the wrecks should be left floating in space for a set amount of time, for career salvagers to come by and scan them down.
Arthur Aihaken X A X 4107	Posted - 2015.03.11 00:26:20 - [4] - Quote Leto Aramaus wrote: However... correct me if I'm wrong, I think currently if you run a mission, complete it, warp out (and there are no other ships in any of the deadspace rooms) all mission gates/rooms/and wrecks will de-spawn. I think the wrecks should be left floating in space for a set amount of time, for career salvagers to come by and scan them down. Gates and rooms, yes. But the wrecks do remain afterwards (I'm not sure the exact time interval before they expire). Leto Aramaus wrote: I don't agree that wrecks should go Blue ('abandoned') after the mission is complete. The mission runner still owns those wrecks, and a treasure hunter should have the excitement of wondering if he will be hunted down after stealing from abandoned battlefields. There's nothing preventing players from bookmarking those sites and returning with a dedicated salvage ship prior to completing the mission. This doesn't penalize mission-chaining - since the wrecks would remain private until mission completion. And this doesn't prevent players from scanning down active mission sights to steal, either. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Donnachadh United Allegiance of Undesirables 184	Posted - 2015.03.11 02:58:30 - [5] - Quote Leto Aramaus wrote: However... correct me if I'm wrong, I think currently if you run a mission, complete it, warp out (and there are no other ships in any of the deadspace rooms) all mission gates/rooms/and wrecks will de-spawn. I think the wrecks should be left floating in space for a set amount of time, for career salvagers to come by and scan them down. Then I will, or perhaps a clarification as I am not sure what you mean here. A mission site does not de-spawn until the mission is turned in to the agent and completed that way. Simply warping everyone out of the pocket will not cause the mission to de-spawn. Going back to the OP there is one critical issue that I think all of you are missing, well maybe not the OP but I am not sure. Wrecks whether they were player ships or NPC ships are not scan able with probes they can only be found with the D-Scan, or show up on the overview if you are close enough. And to be honest I am not sure they will show up on a D-Scan either cause I have never really looked for them on a D-Scan. I think a modification of the OP may be workable. Once the mission has been turned into the agent a beacon could spawn where each of the rooms were and these beacons could then be scanned by probes but there is no way they should have a direct warp to capability assigned to them. As for the wrecks being auto abandoned I say no way. Those wrecks are the property of the person that ran the mission and it is their decision to abandon them or not. These changes would allow salvage characters and the treasure hunters the OP mentioned a way to find these sites, but they would still have to make a decision on what to do if the wrecks were not abandoned.
Colette Kassia Kassia Industrial Supply 88	Posted - 2015.03.11 05:00:38 - [6] - Quote Bait.
Arthur Aihaken X A X 4108	Posted - 2015.03.11 05:36:38 - [7] - Quote Donnachadh wrote: As for the wrecks being auto abandoned I say no way. Those wrecks are the property of the person that ran the mission and it is their decision to abandon them or not. The point was to make them easy for newer players to locate. Let's be honest - with the nerf to reprocessing it's not like recycling salvage is as lucrative as it once was. I'm not opposed to leaving them as owned by the missioning player - but I do want them to show up on grid (since you can't scan them down). I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Petrified Old and Petrified Syndication TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance 234	Posted - 2015.03.11 06:17:38 - [8] - Quote I like the overall concept, but not quite how you execute it. Since you cannot probe down wrecks and since some areas are inconvenient to create BMs for contract/trade given the 2 hour life span of a can: 1 - Warping off grid or leaving the mission should not automatically blue the wrecks. This is not ideal for those who solo missions and then return to salvage - especially outside of High Sec. 2 - Availability to the cans should always be in the hands of the person who created the wreck. 3 - CCP should add an option to right click any wreck you created on the grid and select "Abandon and make beacon". All cans on the grid created by the person/fleet become blue and: 4 - The action of "Abandon and make a beacon" creates a temporary beacon at that location with a life span equal to the can that was selected. No other beacons can be created on grid once the "Abandon and make beacon" option is selected. The Beacon is centered on the can the user performed the create "Abandon and make beacon" option on. Once the can expires or the can is salvaged, the beacon is removed from the overview. This does several things: 1 - makes a selectable option for mission runners/ratters/baiters to abandon wrecks for others to salvage without going through the process of creating a BM and then advertising it for 2 hours or placing it on contract which will last more than 2 hours. 2 - It will create minimal server load compared to making all the cans a beacon or by making a BM that may never be automatically removed. 3 - ease of use and the power of choice is left in the hands of the one who leaves the wreck behind.
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore 2379	Posted - 2015.03.11 06:19:09 - [9] - Quote I disagree with wrecks going on the overview at long range. They should be scannable. I think wrecks should go abandoned before they disappear from space, but I do not feel they should abandon before the owner has a chance to collect them. It's not like you can't come in and take them just because they're owned. I'd go further and suggest that tractor beams should be allowed to tow wrecks illegally, as opposed to being prevented from moving them at all. CSM X: Sabriz Adoudel, Mike Azariah, Xander Phoena, Sugar Kyle, Corbexx, Jenshae Chiroptera, Marlona Sky, Tora Bushido Highsec reform thread
Arthur Aihaken X A X 4109	Posted - 2015.03.11 06:25:21 - [10] - Quote Reaver Glitterstim wrote: I disagree with wrecks going on the overview at long range. They should be scannable. I think wrecks should go abandoned before they disappear from space, but I do not feel they should abandon before the owner has a chance to collect them. It's not like you can't come in and take them just because they're owned. I'd go further and suggest that tractor beams should be allowed to tow wrecks illegally, as opposed to being prevented from moving them at all. Not the wrecks, just a beacon to the grid where the wrecks are located. I'm not sure what the rationale is for being unable to scan wrecks, but I assume there's an ulterior reason. As I previously indicated (will revise OP), I don't have a problem with ownership being retained - but I do still feel these should show up on the overview without having to be probed down. The tractor beam idea is interesting. Mind if I incorporate it? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Donnachadh United Allegiance of Undesirables 185	Posted - 2015.03.12 02:32:51 - [11] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Donnachadh wrote: As for the wrecks being auto abandoned I say no way. Those wrecks are the property of the person that ran the mission and it is their decision to abandon them or not. The point was to make them easy for newer players to locate. Let's be honest - with the nerf to reprocessing it's not like recycling salvage is as lucrative as it once was. I'm not opposed to leaving them as owned by the missioning player - but I do want them to show up on grid (since you can't scan them down). It only takes about 15 minutes of training time and about 2 million ISK to be able to scan such things, so using new players as a way to justify this is a bit on the sad side. I always thought wrecks should be scan able so I have no problem with that change. But there is no way that the wrecks or any form of beacon should have the direct warp to ability assigned to them.
Arthur Aihaken X A X 4112	Posted - 2015.03.12 02:48:19 - [12] - Quote Donnachadh wrote: It only takes about 15 minutes of training time and about 2 million ISK to be able to scan such things, so using new players as a way to justify this is a bit on the sad side. I always thought wrecks should be scan able so I have no problem with that change. But there is no way that the wrecks or any form of beacon should have the direct warp to ability assigned to them. Except as it now stands, you can't scan for wrecks. I'm not sure if there's an underlying reason for this, or if this is something that could be changed. It's just not few new players; I imagine there are more than a few salvage corporations that would make use of something like this. Ultimately, I don't see the downside in introducing more content and potential conflict situations. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Donnachadh United Allegiance of Undesirables 185	Posted - 2015.03.13 04:42:23 - [13] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Donnachadh wrote: It only takes about 15 minutes of training time and about 2 million ISK to be able to scan such things, so using new players as a way to justify this is a bit on the sad side. I always thought wrecks should be scan able so I have no problem with that change. But there is no way that the wrecks or any form of beacon should have the direct warp to ability assigned to them. Except as it now stands, you can't scan for wrecks. I'm not sure if there's an underlying reason for this, or if this is something that could be changed. It's just not few new players; I imagine there are more than a few salvage corporations that would make use of something like this. Ultimately, I don't see the downside in introducing more content and potential conflict situations. Your comment I was referring to was about making things easy for new players, I was simply pointing out how easy it is for anyone to train scanning skills not about whether it was possible to scan wrecks. And since you obviously missed this bit from an earlier post Donnachadh wrote: Wrecks whether they were player ships or NPC ships are not scan able with probes they can only be found with the D-Scan, or show up on the overview if you are close enough. And to be honest I am not sure they will show up on a D-Scan either cause I have never really looked for them on a D-Scan. I am aware that wrecks are not scan able and I would not support them becoming scan able as it is my belief(and I may be wrong here) that it would add more work load to the server/client than would be justified however I did offer an alternative that would accomplish the same goals while significantly reducing any possible server/client load. Donnachadh wrote: Once the mission has been turned into the agent a beacon could spawn where each of the rooms were and these beacons could then be scanned by probes but there is no way they should have a direct warp to capability assigned to them.
Aiyshimin Fistful of Finns Triumvirate. 462	Posted - 2015.03.13 06:08:32 - [14] - Quote Wrecks should be scannable with combat probes, but I believe the reason they are not is something something server performance.
Sam Spock The Arnold Connection 49	Posted - 2015.03.16 19:33:48 - [15] - Quote 1. Make wrecks go blue when they are 15 minutes away from despawning. Gives the original owner 1 hour 45 minutes to clean them if he wants them. 2. Make blue wrecks scannable with combat probes. Mad scramble in mission hubs anyone? 3. Profit! Giving you Inconsistent grammar, speilling and Punct-uation since 1974!
Leyete Wulf Rolling Static Gone Critical 93	Posted - 2015.03.16 19:53:14 - [16] - Quote Idea adds no meaningful gameplay as existing mechanics effectively allow for everything OP wants to do. Easier does not equal Improved
Arthur Aihaken Perkone Caldari State 4131	Posted - 2015.03.16 20:05:43 - [17] - Quote Leyete Wulf wrote: Idea adds no meaningful gameplay as existing mechanics effectively allow for everything OP wants to do. Easier does not equal Improved You cannot currently scan down wrecks, so no - you can't. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Lugh Crow-Slave 908	Posted - 2015.03.16 21:14:07 - [18] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Leyete Wulf wrote: Idea adds no meaningful gameplay as existing mechanics effectively allow for everything OP wants to do. Easier does not equal Improved You cannot currently scan down wrecks, so no - you can't. I was under the impression you could but if that is the case then make it so you can scan down wrecks but no to warp-able beacon Fuel block colors? Missiles for Caldari T3?
Arthur Aihaken Perkone Caldari State 4131	Posted - 2015.03.16 23:32:39 - [19] - Quote Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: I was under the impression you could but if that is the case then make it so you can scan down wrecks Assuming CCP can't, then what? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Ben Ishikela 24	Posted - 2015.03.17 08:53:33 - [20] - Quote So there are these large Tractor beams out there hidden/cloaked. They collect over several AU distance and salvage all these wrecks automatically. they have a HUGE locktime (ca. 2h). As soon as they are full/overfed, the cloak misfunctions (weak design.). Then nearly anyone is able to probe them and loot these "towers" as "relic sites". They contain similar stuff to salvage. Unfortunately these "relic sites" and their interior or spawning are not conected (in any way i know of) to pirate activity or number of unloooted wrecks in that region/constellation/system/WHsystem. Or maybe its just good the way that they spawn regardless of pve/pvp activity. This way we get more spread of exploration across new eden. But what do i know ... Add new modules or ships that can use tactics and strategies to fight the current Meta!

Alvatore DiMarco Capricious Endeavours Ltd 3578	Posted - 2015.03.17 10:03:10 - [21] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: I was under the impression you could but if that is the case then make it so you can scan down wrecks Assuming CCP can't, then what? Ships, wrecks and cans are all considered as different types of containers by the database. Yet two of these things cannot be scanned down. Meanwhile, drones can be scanned down. The only reason you can't scan down cans and wrecks is some kind of mysterious quasi-lore-gameplay thing that CCP could easily flip a proverbial switch at any time to change. It's important to note, however, that in a mission system it would be virtually impossible to get scan results that weren't a clogged and unintelligible mess of wrecks. All that being said, I do not support wrecks becoming beacons or missions becoming beacons but I do - as I have for some time - support wrecks becoming scannable. Salvaging is supposed to be a profession says CCP and yet this one crucial aspect has never been implemented. If rig prices are a problem, just increase how much salvage a rig requires, decrease how much salvage is produced or do a combination of both.
Janeway84 Def Squadron Pride Before Fall 150	Posted - 2015.03.17 10:17:57 - [22] - Quote Why not just add a probe that can only scan for wrecks? The more wrecks on a grid the easier it is to scan the site down where the wrecks are.
Jeremiah Saken The Fall of Leviathan 234	Posted - 2015.03.17 11:22:15 - [23] - Quote Janeway84 wrote: Why not just add a probe that can only scan for wrecks? Big smile The more wrecks on a grid the easier it is to scan the site down where the wrecks are. Smile It would be supercool, i already made a Noctis fit with probe launcher "...genre is a definition, the definition in itself must have boundaries, the boundaries act as barriers, and the barriers are like walls, like the walls of a prisonn++..." The Good, The Bad and The Bantam


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