Whaaaah, my epeen is hurting.

Not at all. However, just because you want sov should not mean you instantly get it. Moreover, you build an empire over time. Rome was not built in a day and neither was it destroyed in one day. There are provisions in the plan for the growth of smaller entities.

I'm going to look down on everyone by standing on the backs of those who actually did the work and shouting that I've done all this.

None of this has a snowball's chance in hell of happening.

I think you are too quick to call the new sov The End or Supercapitals. Fleet A and Fleet B are fighting over an objective. Fleet A is entirely subcaps. Fleet B is a mix of subcaps, carriers, supers, and a few titans. Who do you think will win?

And then there's that idea I posted in your other thread. If they implemented anything similar to that then capitals would remain tremendously valuable strategic assets.

If you seriously think that basing sov on capitals and supers wouldn't totally block small groups from keeping sov, then you have totally lost touch with the reality of the game.

As you say, just because a group wants sov doesn't mean they automatically get it. If someone wants the same space, those grouos will fight over that space. On the flip side, however, is that if no one actually wants a system, the barrier to entry for sov should not be a price tag of at least 30 billion isk.

The simple fact is that CCP is finally taking steps to correct the mistake they made many years ago when they introduced the massive game imbalance known as supers.

If you seriously think that basing sov on capitals and supers wouldn't totally block small groups from keeping sov, then you have totally lost touch with the reality of the game.

As you say, just because a group wants sov doesn't mean they automatically get it. If someone wants the same space, those grouos will fight over that space. On the flip side, however, is that if no one actually wants a system, the barrier to entry for sov should not be a price tag of at least 30 billion isk.

The simple fact is that CCP is finally taking steps to correct the mistake they made many years ago when they introduced the massive game imbalance known as supers.

Is this a troll post ?

Yes. And not a very good one.

Typical, but accurate, response.

Typical response of someone who has nothing constructive to say.

I propose that all sovereignty warfare revolve around capital and supercapital engagements in order to keep these ship classes relevant. I propose this as a counter-model to that proposed by CCP Fozzie. Subcaps have plenty to do in the game as it is, but capitals and supercapitals are seemingly running out of things to do.

-Hitpoints on player owned outposts will be doubled. Stations will have offensive capabilities, including capital guns and their own doomsdays. There will be no reinforcement timer on stations. This will encourage people to live in a particular system or risk losing their stuff.

-Player owned outposts will be destructible and there will be a plunder reward once they are destroyed, meaning the stuff inside is salvageable or lootable.

-Sovereignty will revert back to who has the majority of towers in a system. However, only one tower will have a reinforcement timer. All other towers will have to be defended when they are being attacked or else they will be lost.

-Offensive and Defensive capabilities on POS will be significantly enhanced to require the use of supercapitals and capitals. No more reinforcing a POS with bomber fleets or Ishtars. These things will be hell to take down and not the pushovers they are now.

Hmmm a post by a guy in Finfleet. That pretty much says it, Finfleet a bunch of elitist, arrogant wrenches.

That is very rude.

Try being in an alliance with Finfleet, that is actually the height of civility they their standards.

Fozzie Sov turns eve into a numbers game. Bring more dudes and win.

also unless changed I see where this is coming from...last I roiled in a crew with them they were cap and super heavy. Some self serving interest here really.

First, if this were true, and I doubt it is...how is it different from now?

Second, I don't think this is true. At least not in the sense of piling bodies into a single system.

Yes, EvE is hard and harder if you are stupid, as your sig says. This is a game based on ISK and the making of ISK. So, yes, there is a high barrier and should be a high barrier to take and own sovereignty. But if you really want it, you should go through the evolution of the game from high to low to npc null-sec to true null sec to get it, and not skip every other step and conquer sov with interceptors or frigates. I just don't see it your way. I see this as taking years and years and not being instantly gratified. However, if you really want it, CCP has created a mechanic where you can buy PLEX and then sell it for ISK. But if you don't want to do it that way, then go through the evolution or sit in Thera.

1: Removal of the ability of super caps to be beneficial for much is intolerable. This is one of the end game ships, sorry for the rest that didn't have the patience to save for you. They have to have a place, this is going back to nano warfare. I don't care honestly, but nano fleets running around taking sov don't make sense. Shake it up, but plenty of suggestions out there.

2: Why on earth did you nerf fighters ? People kick other people for losing capitals on the field. Most people I know are getting rid of their capitals. You see abuse, but I see a few people screaming and you are giving in. Bad idea, but then again I will just adjust and sell. People scream of the abuse of supers, but wait till you see the abuse of interceptors. ******** idea but I see it as a self corrector as there will be a huge backlash over it.

I propose that all sovereignty warfare revolve around capital and supercapital engagements in order to keep these ship classes relevant. I propose this as a counter-model to that proposed by CCP Fozzie. Subcaps have plenty to do in the game as it is, but capitals and supercapitals are seemingly running out of things to do.

-Hitpoints on player owned outposts will be doubled. Stations will have offensive capabilities, including capital guns and their own doomsdays. There will be no reinforcement timer on stations. This will encourage people to live in a particular system or risk losing their stuff.

-Player owned outposts will be destructible and there will be a plunder reward once they are destroyed, meaning the stuff inside is salvageable or lootable.

-Sovereignty will revert back to who has the majority of towers in a system. However, only one tower will have a reinforcement timer. All other towers will have to be defended when they are being attacked or else they will be lost.

-Offensive and Defensive capabilities on POS will be significantly enhanced to require the use of supercapitals and capitals. No more reinforcing a POS with bomber fleets or Ishtars. These things will be hell to take down and not the pushovers they are now.

-NPC 0.0 will be a capital and supercapital free zone where smaller entities can brawl. The Sanahas and other pirate factions will be the only ones using capitals and supercapitals there. More broadly, these pirate factions can conquer space and make that space capital and supercapital free zones as well. But like player owned empires these gains can be reverted. NPC 0.0 will be a place where smaller entities can grow and mature, and there will be an abundance of resources for them to build their wallets up.

-Finally, supercapitals will be able to be manufactured in low sec, allowing smaller entities to build their own super weapons. This should not just be a perk for true null-sec.

However, I think some people are missing is that alliances like GSF and NCDOT took years to acquire their capitals and supercapitals and even longer to acquire sov and sometimes lose that sov.

In terms of isk and time they are the end game of ships, to me. Marginalize them or delete them, and there is nothing for me to strive for. Finally, people love to kill them and kill them regularly. There is not the same excitement over the death of an Ishtar or a battleship for me.

Lets all stop crying and look forward to the next logical step.

Allow capitals to be disassembled (reprocessed) into their constituent cap-ship components without the usual 50% loss of material (allow the assembly array to also do disassembly?). If you decide that you have too many supercaps than you can reconfigure most of the material investment into carriers, jump freighters, ...Orcas, etc. You won't get your SP back, but this would be better than nothing.

Ok, first, Supercaps were the single biggest mistake CCP ever made. The rationale behind them is ridiculous, and they started an arms race that has basically shut anyone who doesn't have one (or a couple dozen at this point) into a secondary role in large parts of the game. Hell having just one is actually worse than having none, because people will expend large amounts of energy trying to find it and kill it. This is considered to be a bad thing by large parts of the community. The cry death to all supers did not originate with some lowly highsec pubbie.

Second, I fixed your quote. All of that is your opinion. Supers are in no way MY end game content. I'll strap myself into a space coffin the day after they turn the servers off for good. If you have nothing to strive for but flying your ePeen Machine around - well, thems the breaks. Everyone's favorite ship gets nerfed to hell and back at some point. Please find me a use for a hurricane that isn't done better, cheaper, and faster by a T3 or a HAC.

Do supers generate a lot of excitement? That's debateable. Sure everyone wants to kill one - it's epeen, and frankly, if I could get one on my killboard, I could lose Gilas all day every day and still smile like a bufoon. That does not, however, in any way mean that they are good for the long term health of the game. And by and large, the only time people really talk about them for any length of time is when several dozen of them all go boom at once. Dunking a single super used to make news. Now they make the ALOD column.

Totally untrue. As it is, supers and titans are rarely used. What you want for them is a death penalty.

If supers and titans are rarely ever used even before the big nerf, then there should be no problem in removing them from the game. Let them die. Your whining plea for relevance in the game measures right up there with a highsec miner's constant cries to nerf ganking.

I fully support this so we can kill your titans again.

Totally untrue. As it is, supers and titans are rarely used. What you want for them is a death penalty.

Says the people who don't fly them or understand them but merely prattle out of ignorance and jealousy.

The biggest problem with supers is that they provide people a undeserved feeling of elite superiority. You were able to make a second account, get a train queue from EveMon, set skills to train on this new alt, then go do something else while only logging on the super alt when you need to change skills. Once you've done this, your delusions of mediocrity make you think your epeen is so big that no one else's opinions matter except those with equally large epeens. So far, in this thread and the last thread you made on this that got locked, your entire argument is based on your belief that anyone who disagrees with you is wrong for the sheer fact that they don't have giant epeens.

I can fly either a Nyx or an Aeon. I have completed the CFC's requirements to fly either in fleet. My dislike of supers is an informed choice.

So, let me say it again. Delete All Supers.

your epeen is so big that no one else's opinions matter except those with equally large epeens. So far, in this thread and the last thread you made on this that got locked, your entire argument is based on your belief that anyone who disagrees with you is wrong for the sheer fact that they don't have giant epeens.

Well, how can a person talk intelligently about something they have no experience with? Honest question.

Well, how can a person talk intelligently about something they have no experience with? Honest question.