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Paul Castrin Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.16 15:01:00 - [31] This is IMHO the best game out there bar none. 25 skills and all only @ lvl 2 or 3 means you have barely scratched the surface of the game. There is simply tons more. Sign up for a full account and pay the fee (I'd suggest doing it in 6 month incaments as you save $$ when you do) and start swiming into the deeper end. After 2.5+ years in this game I still find more to learn and do. gl
D2O HeavyWater Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.16 15:04:00 - [32] Ive got 2 accounts and have been playing for 3 1/2 yrs now. I have 4 main characters and so far have spent in excess of 500 Euro's. Losing the money isnt a problem but its the losing of 2 girlfriends & many nights out thatsa ****er.
Paul Castrin Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.16 15:05:00 - [33] Originally by: Vasiliyan Originally by: Fireball Rain PS, thats 30 days training to get a destroyer to L4, not actually get a destroyer.... Note that destroyer is almost a dead-end skill - the only ship that depends on having destroyer trained above level 1 is the interdictor, which is highly specialised. Look at the prerequisites trees for cruisers, battlecruisers, and battleships. You do not need to spend 30 days training your destroyer skill. Not true about the destroyer skill but that's a different debate. (My thrasher is deadly and Interdictors are cool.) As to the 30 days, sounds like you need to start working on the learning skills once you get a full account. Since you are already proficent at the small ships you can spend the time needed to fill out the learning skills which will save you a ton of time later on in the game. Refer to the online Player's Guide on this site and go grab EVEMon to help chart your course.
Malena Perpetual Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.16 15:13:00 - [34] If you are thinking in purely monetary terms: How much do you spend on night out for yourself? $5-10 for dinner, $10-15 for a movie, or if going to a bar-$15 for a couple of beers... so a minimum of $15 for 2-3 hours of entertainment. For $20, you are getting as many hours of entertainment as you choose to squeeze in over a period of 30 days. And on the upside, if you are having a busy week, or decide to have a bit more of a life later on, you still just set your skills to training and do that, you don't have to worry that all your friends are going to be getting their epic gear or levelling past you. (Experience at PvP is a different story, but hopefully you get my meaning.)
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.16 15:21:00 - [35] Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/10/2006 15:21:54 Originally by: Za Po Originally by: Fireball Rain PS, thats 30 days training to get a destroyer to L4, not actually get a destroyer.... 30 days for a level four is still too high, it's the sort of time that a level five requires; what are your attributes? Yes, something is definately wrong. Usually I don't tell new players to train learning and advanced skills like mad at the beginning, because I think it might be too frustrating. But 30 days for to lvl.4 and something rather low like destroyers is way too much. Before you start to train a skill to a level that take 2 weeks or more, I suggest to do learning. But if your attributes are REALLY BADLY chosen at character creation, I recommend to start a new char. Btw. Destroyers is a rank 2 skill like frigates. It's 8 days, 4 hours to 5 with my char. Ok, I have some adv. learning skills and a +3 implant in, that affects it. But if you need 30 days for lvl.4, your attributes are borked. Before you go on, check that / ask here ! Having a break from EVE until my broadband connection is working again.
Nicoli Voldkif Caelli-Merced	Posted - 2006.10.16 15:25:00 - [36] Originally by: Paul Castrin Originally by: Vasiliyan Originally by: Fireball Rain PS, thats 30 days training to get a destroyer to L4, not actually get a destroyer.... Note that destroyer is almost a dead-end skill - the only ship that depends on having destroyer trained above level 1 is the interdictor, which is highly specialised. Look at the prerequisites trees for cruisers, battlecruisers, and battleships. You do not need to spend 30 days training your destroyer skill. Not true about the destroyer skill but that's a different debate. (My thrasher is deadly and Interdictors are cool.) As to the 30 days, sounds like you need to start working on the learning skills once you get a full account. Since you are already proficent at the small ships you can spend the time needed to fill out the learning skills which will save you a ton of time later on in the game. Refer to the online Player's Guide on this site and go grab EVEMon to help chart your course. NOOOOOOOOOOOO, Don't train the learning skills. It seems from your follow up post you need better direction then learning skills which tend to destroy your opinion of the game. Once you deciede your going to stay the long hual look at your learning skills till then try this. Learn frig IV should take you about 2 days Learn Spaceship command III about 4-5 hours Learn caldari Cruiser I run missions/mine/kiss up to your friend and buy a osprey. with it you can run missions, mine, and have fun. they are pretty cheap on the cruiser side of things. its a jack of all trades ship that can even pull some light logistical duties. learn Caldari cruiser II Missle Launcher Operation III Standard Missles III Heavy Missles I Get you self a caracal. a Caracal is a good solid fighting ship. Great for level 2 missions and even pretty decient for PvP. Now this is a base plan. If you see a module you'd like to use add in its skills to this list and if possible try to find a caldari ship that may have a bonus to it. Now if you get into a caracal and Osprey and you decide to stick with it, then start looking at training some learning skills to help out your training times for future goals.
SadisticSavior Caldari Edenists	Posted - 2006.10.16 15:36:00 - [37] Edited by: SadisticSavior on 16/10/2006 15:37:17 Quote: Gamers - Is it worth paying for the subscription? 1) This game has a very steep learning curve. It is the most complex game I have ever played. There are a lot of variables to keep track of. People who are impatient will not like this game. 2) This game is hardcore PvP. While core empire space is typically safe, you can be attacked anywhere outside a station, by anyone and for any reason. It is possible to play this game without ever engaging in PvP, but PvP is always a technical possibility. Attacks result in real and long term losses. These losses can include skills (loss of time) as well as hardware (loss of ISK from ships and equipment). There are ways to insure against this loss, but any losses will be permanent. 3) Powerlevelling is almost impossible in this game, since all skills train at approximately the same rates for everyone. This is good because it keeps impulsive and impatient kids out of the game. The skill system is set up in such a way that you can still be 90% as good as an expert in any one field fairly quickly if that is what you want (Within a month or two you will be able to fly a frigate as well as someone who has been in the game for years). Veteran players get the advantage of diversification in the long term (That same vertan player will also be able to fly much larger ships than you). If you can handle these three things, you will probably like this game. I was in the late part of the beta and have been here on and off since launch. Other than CoH, this is the only game I keep finding myself coming back to time and again. This game has real depth that most MMOGs lack. Quote: If I do sign up, where and what should I do now? I need ISK and a lot more skills. 1) Do not beg for ISK. It may possibly get you killed, and at the very least will annoy other players. 2) The game is very open ended...you can do almost anything you want. You can make ISK through mining, doing missions, or "Ratting" (going to random asteroid belts, killing NPC pirates, and collecting bounties and looting their wreckage). At higher levels you can become a successful pirate yourself (if you are good enough at PvP), become a research scientist, Shipwright ect...do whatever interests you. The game is heavily centered on PvP, but PvP is fairly easy to avoid if you dont want to do it. Unlike most MMOGs, EVE is almost entirely player driven. Most items in the game are crafted by players. Most resources are mined by players. With the new free expansion coming up, players will even be able to alter the dimensions of the NPC Empires themselves through factional warfare. They are adding reverse engineering and exploration too, so high end players will be able to make new (and initially unique) items and discover new star systems.
Argael	Posted - 2006.10.16 15:53:00 - [38] the fee is worth it also you will not to have to pay for expansions, they are included is the base fee
SadisticSavior Caldari Edenists	Posted - 2006.10.16 16:07:00 - [39] Edited by: SadisticSavior on 16/10/2006 16:15:19 Quote: I have well above average IQ Quote: You may be smarter, but I'm better looking You may be better looking, and he may be smarter, but I have a much bigger package. Quote: Played WoW. Hated it. Still hate it till now. Wasted 3 months of my free time on a **-poor e-y game. Things I hated about WoW: 1) Cartoony graphics. 2) Almost complete lack of ability to customize appearance. 3) It's a grindfest (EvE can be as well, but there are alternatives to grinding...in WoW, there arent) Quote: You should really drop the learning skills and train you frig, gun, mechanic/shield and navigation skills. Yeah, I found learning skills to be overrated. Train them to level 2 or 3 and then do fun stuff for a while. Save the higher level learning skills for when you are going to be away for days or weeks at a time. Which is another thing I love about EVE; skills train offline. You dont have to be logged in to train skills. Quote: Im up to a destroyer level (3), but have spent 90% of the time getting skills levels up, and while thats happening, mining. At lower levels I liked ratting more than mining, but the highsec systems are so crowded with new players that it is hard to find any targets. Quote: Dammit i want a big ship and some kick ass weapons That is going to take time. Skill training is approximately the same for everyone, so there is no way to speed that up. By the time you have the skills trained you will probably have the ISK to buy the ships. Cruisers are in the 4-8 million range or so. Battleships start around 60-100 million, depending. If you get into a corporation, many of the higher level pilots probably have BPOs (Blue Print Originals) and can make you cruisers or battleships cheap (you give them the minerals, and they put it together for you at no cost). Dont be in a rush though. this game is fun at all levels IMO. Once you get to the level of a Destroyer or a nicely outfitted Frigate, things get a lot more fun. Familiarize yourself with the skill trees...skills are a big part of this game. Personally, I skipped the Destroyer and went straight to the Cruiser. Unless you are going to be doing ratting, I would stay clear of destroyers. I think they are a waste of time for new players, although they do have niche roles. Quote:** I mean that most of my learning skills so far are up to L2+L3, although I only have about 25 different skills so far. Guess i need to buy the basic skills for everythign I can to open up the door to buying of better guns, missiles etc.. Keep in mind that you get bonuses for each skill level you get...they are not just there to open doors to better skills. They will give an immediate bonus (usually 5% per level) to something you can actually use (like targeting speed, or ship CPU output or whatever). Quote: Firstly, get out of Single-Player mode as soon as possible. As long as you're just mining/ratting/running missions by yourself, EVE is a pretty dull game. Yep. PvP is the interesting part of the game. I have several crusiers and am still doing the single player game, but it is all with the eventual goal of getting into PvP. PvE is a stepping stone IMO...thats it. Quote: 25 skills and all only @ lvl 2 or 3 means you have barely scratched the surface of the game. Aint that the truth. Check out the skill descriptions on this webpage...there are HUNDREDS of them. Quote: Learn frig IV should take you about 2 days Learn Spaceship command III about 4-5 hours Learn caldari Cruiser I What he said. Although learn something other than Caldari...there are too damn many of us in this game as it is, heh heh
lofty29 Praxiteles Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.16 16:39:00 - [40] Originally by: Tyleritus 2) Join a player corp and dont settle for jsut any corp join one with at least 30 members in it Worst advice I've ever seen given to a new player. Try to find a corp with 10 - 20 ACTIVE members within your time-zone. This will allow them to help you personally rather than brushing you aside as just 1 in 50. --- Praxitele's Inc. is Recruiting!
Becham	Posted - 2006.10.16 17:03:00 - [41] What exactly is considered 'Badly Chosen' starting attributes? I really have no idea what I want to do in the long run, so I just answered the questions best I could and then spread the points I had around evenly.
SadisticSavior Caldari Edenists	Posted - 2006.10.16 17:06:00 - [42] Edited by: SadisticSavior on 16/10/2006 17:05:56 The reality is that starting attributes dont have a huge impact in the long term. Intelligence is probably the most all around useful, followed by Perception. But various skills and implants can be used to augment attributes. I wouldnt worry about it.
Nicoli Voldkif Caelli-Merced	Posted - 2006.10.16 17:15:00 - [43] Originally by: Becham What exactly is considered 'Badly Chosen' starting attributes? I really have no idea what I want to do in the long run, so I just answered the questions best I could and then spread the points I had around evenly. Badly Chosen(not based on any real possibility of getting): Charisma:47 Intel: 2 Percep: 2 Willpower: 1 memory: 1 That would be shooting your self in the foot. My starting which may not be the best but definatly solid was charisma:6 Intel:8 Percep:8 will:10 memory:7 In retrospec I would have tried to shift a point from will to memory but thats about it. Charisma while not pointless is not as useful as the other 4.
Becham	Posted - 2006.10.16 17:46:00 - [44] Hrm, my attribs are: Int 11 Per 11 Char 9 Wil 8 Mem 13 I've got at least +2 to all from learning enhancements, with +4 to int/+3 Mem. So is that an awful start, or ok?
GPerson Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2006.10.16 17:51:00 - [45] I'd like to take this time to say that you are todays victim of the EVE font. It is not 30 days as you believe it is, it is in fact 3D. 3Days. ~~~~~~~~~Sig Stuffs Here~~~~~~~~~~ I highly recommend drunken posting.
Paul Castrin Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.16 18:24:00 - [46] Originally by: Nicoli Voldkif Originally by: Paul Castrin As to the 30 days, sounds like you need to start working on the learning skills once you get a full account. Since you are already proficent at the small ships you can spend the time needed to fill out the learning skills which will save you a ton of time later on in the game. Refer to the online Player's Guide on this site and go grab EVEMon to help chart your course. NOOOOOOOOOOOO, Don't train the learning skills. It seems from your follow up post you need better direction then learning skills which tend to destroy your opinion of the game. Once you deciede your going to stay the long hual look at your learning skills till then try this. [snip] But that's what he's thinking of doing: i.e. staying on for the long haul. To each their own as far as learning skills. You can greatly shorten training times with just a few levels in the basic ones. You don't need to go whole hog and do just learning skills but in the end he will need them. So waiting too long to train them ends up being a mistake IMHO. Note: As someone else said, I too think he is the victim of the EVE font. I can't find any way that lvl 4 for destroyer could possibly take 30 days. Even counting the pre-req skills needed I can only come up with just over a 3 day training time.
EVILSATAN Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.16 18:26:00 - [47] If you like challanges then this game is for you.
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.16 18:46:00 - [48] Originally by: Ginger Magician Do u really need to ask? If a game can keep me interested for more than 3 years given that I have well above average IQ and a fairly low boredom threshold then it must be doing something right. My god, GM managed a constructive and non-flaming post. Thing is I have to agree with him, this game has to be one of the most awesome games I have ever played myself, although it is the first MMO I have played I do like a good game that can get me thinking and needs a certain amount of lateral thinking to gte it to work for you. 18 months after joining I am still losing virtually every ship I have ever flown, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Join and enjoy. There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus pwnt - Immy
Fireball Rain	Posted - 2006.10.16 19:08:00 - [49] Here we go then, i guess im easy picking for you lot now Caldari Intelligence. 15 perception 10 Charisma 9 willpower 7 Memory 9 I've signed up for another month, see how I go :) This post has opened up my eyes a little as to what i should be doing opposed to buying skills that look good I'll keep hold of this player I think, but concentrate on gaining skills that aim on keeping my sheilds, power units etc all in shape. Will have a look at that corporation as well, see what exras they have to offer :)
Xs 142	Posted - 2006.10.16 19:09:00 - [50] Originally by: ThaMa Gebir Originally by: Ginger Magician Do u really need to ask? If a game can keep me interested for more than 3 years given that I have well above average IQ and a fairly low boredom threshold then it must be doing something right. My god, GM managed a constructive and non-flaming post. Thing is I have to agree with him, this game has to be one of the most awesome games I have ever played myself, although it is the first MMO I have played I do like a good game that can get me thinking and needs a certain amount of lateral thinking to gte it to work for you. 18 months after joining I am still losing virtually every ship I have ever flown, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Join and enjoy. Flaming/Whining/E-peen stroking.. It's all the same and it's Ginger... But ya, I actually agree too.. If He can keep his attentionseeking behind glued to this place, most can.. And will enjoy it. Talking about your IQ is for idiots.. Originally by:* Oveur Eternally yours, The other dumbass
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.10.16 19:12:00 - [51] Uh train lower to level 4 of everything. You should only train level 5 to unlock a skill you want. Whether its worth it or not, depends on you. For me its worth it. For you, who knows.
Cletus Graeme Caldari Bladerunners Mordus Angels	Posted - 2006.10.16 21:41:00 - [52] Originally by: Fireball Gamers - Is it worth paying for the subscription? If I do sign up, where and what shoudl I do now? I need ISK and a lot more skills. It really depends on what kind of gaming experience you are after. Good things about EVE --------------------- - Lots of teamplay and interaction with other players - Open ended with different career paths and activities to try - Huge, single universe and lots of potential to build, conquer and explore in 0.0 - Lots to learn to become competent in your chosen field of endeavour - Continually changing and improving as CCP strives to make the gaming experience ever better for the player base in attempt to attract new players and retain older ones and also just to have fun ! - Excellent backstory and potentially exciting Kali expansion which could give game even more depth and open up new areas of gameplay In summary, a challenging game which requires teamwork, time, effort and intellect to succeed. Bad things about EVE -------------------- - A massive time sink. Be careful or your social life will suffer ! I guess this could be a good point as the game is very addictive but a lot of this time is spent doing things which are not really that much fun (see below) - Accumulating enough ISK and skill points to become effective takes several months so you really need to be playing for the long term (i.e. 1 year or more) - Learning skills. These are essential for rapid progress later on but are just a boring time sink early on. Almost everyone hates them but almost everyone trains them because not doing so puts you at a big disadvantage later one. At least 1mth of boredom.... - Long periods of boredom interspersed with short periods of intense action. This is a consequence of the open ended gameplay. You have to "make" your own excitement by activively looking for it. - Time spent travelling between systems in empire space which is just mind numbingly boring. At least 0.0 keeps you on your toes ! - A large number of performance issues and problems caused by a rapidly growing player base which are currently having a serious adverse impact on gameplay and need sorting out asap ----------------------------------------------------- Play this game seriously and it will eat up the hours in your day which could perhaps otherwise be spent doing more "useful" stuff in the real world. Unfortunately a LOT of time in EVE is spent doing boring stuff like travelling between systems or mission running/mining to make ISK. This makes the game very difficult to play for less than an hour at each sitting. It also means it will be several months before you are really effective at anything - especially as you will have to train learning skills to be able to train at a decent rate in the long run. EVE is about long periods of boredom punctuated by shorter periods of intense excitment. If you are a patient gamer with both time and money on your hands then it's a very rewarding game because of the many possibilities available to you in such a rich universe. However, if you prefer instant action and continuous excitement then EVE is not for you. EVE offers a great deal of player satisfaction when do you finally achieve things - not just individually but also with the help of other players - teamwork is where the game really shines. Most people continue to play because the enjoyment and excitement continues to outweigh the problems (bugs etc) and boredom that they encounter on a daily basis. EVE is by no means perfect but it is currently unique in terms of what it offers and that means many players (who like this particular kind of gameplay) continue to play it, even after a long time.
Mirage Kisaragi Gallente Warrior Nation United	Posted - 2006.10.17 00:13:00 - [53] Of course you're just scratching the surface hehe. I'm in my 2nd month now of playing with adv learnings trained up to 3-4, and a Dominix fitted to mine, and almost fitted to tank rats in 0.0 There's still a lot more I need to accomplish, but that just shows how far you can go if you have patience and the willingness to learn the game. I see myself playing EVE for at least 1-2 years down the road, who knows maybe more. Atm, I'm signed up to a 6-7 month plan also, shows how much promise I see in this game Experience It, Warrior Nation United > > Gfx Artist for Hire < <
Megalomaniak Amarr Ktaomai Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.17 00:49:00 - [54] Originally by: GPerson I'd like to take this time to say that you are todays victim of the EVE font. It is not 30 days as you believe it is, it is in fact 3D. 3Days. This is probably the correct answer! I had the same thing happen my first run through. Looked at skills and said, man 70 days for this skill is gonna take way to long. When in fact it was 7D 7 days not 70! That D can be confusing and I bet your looking at 3 days and not 30!

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