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Christopher Dalran
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Posted - 2006.10.17 18:39:00 -
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I find it more productive to ambush gate campers and steal their good guns (or ransom them) than it is to wait for someone to wander by. Ambushing gate campers is relativly easy IF you have someone in your gang with a cov ops ship. HEAVY on the short range warp scramblers as nearly all gatecampers have 4+ stabs.
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Galan Amarias
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Posted - 2006.10.18 00:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Dahin
There is no question about pvp bringing in some serious isk when done correctly.
What I am questioning is the apparent imbalance of isk killed/hour ratio compared to bear isk/hour ratio.
One is to expect things are destroyed much easier than they are created.
But this is not the case in eve (any more, used to be though when people didn't have 20 bs each).
In extent, I also have to say that no matter how good one can be in pvp and making money with it, the bears always make more. Endlessly more.
And no, "ooh, I once popped a BoB hauler with 1+b of t2 loot in it" doesn't count since it's once every christmas.
But let's not take pvp as a money-making form. It's quite far-fetched, let's leave death and destruction to what it is: plain destruction (economic).
Ok, so you are upset that the bears make more ISK than you take from them when you blow them up? If the bears didn't make enough ISK to cover their expenses and still show a proffit they would never, ever come to low sec. As it is the bears I keep an eye on are in low sec all the time. With plenty of escorts. I myself spend most of my time in low sec. I see folks all the time. But the ratio of Anti-pie to pie is pretty unfavorable for the Pies in my region. If you are having as much trouble as it looks like you are get out of the Forge and try some more interesting regions. (admitedly I don't know that you personally live in the Forge, but dang is that place lousy with Pies E-R included.)
-Galan
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Dahin
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.10.18 02:41:00 -
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guys, I am not referring to lowsec.
I'm seeing the pvp thing from a 0.0 perspective. I haven't spent any reasonable time around there, we only visit it for recreational/vacation reasons.
So I can't speak for that part of eve.
Admittedly, killing stuff in lowsec is way easier since with the amount of local traffic some systems get; people loose their best defence: the empty/all-blue local.
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xenodia
Gallente
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kruel
High sec is full of miners, low sec is empty aside from the occasional hauler and gate campers.
Why do people gate camp? Because that's the only way they can get a kill.
Please ccp I'm getting bored here. I wanna blast me some fools without resorting to lame 150k+ Tempest gate camps. I want to see barges with escorts in asteroid belts. But no one mines in low sec because it's not worth the risk.
I know this has been brought up in the past but I'm just trying to bring more attention to this issue. Low sec is EMPTY! And I'm getting bored. 
So you arent after PvP at all. Youre after gank opportunities. PvP, at least to anyone with any skills, is when you fight a target that actually has a chance to fight back. Youre talking about your dream world of low sec belts filled with mining barges. Thats a gankfest.
If its really PvP youre after, well there are populated areas of low sec, you just need to look harder. Or, as someone suggested, you could go to 0.0. My suggestion would be to set course for EC-P8R or FD-MLJ, as you are very likely to get a fight in those areas.
If you want to just gank carebears, well theres always deklein region.
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: xenodia
So you arent after PvP at all. Youre after gank opportunities.
Give me a break. 
I just want to blow something up... ANYTHING! I don't care if it's a barge or a battleship. Fact is, nobody belt rats anymore, and I haven't seen lowsec mining ops in months.
Effing carebear. Go away.
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Osia
Gallente
Astrum Contract Services Group
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Posted - 2006.10.20 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kruel
Originally by: xenodia
So you arent after PvP at all. Youre after gank opportunities.
Give me a break.
I just want to blow something up... ANYTHING! I don't care if it's a barge or a battleship. Fact is, nobody belt rats anymore, and I haven't seen lowsec mining ops in months.
Effing carebear. Go away.
Well you will most likely not convince anyone to enter low security space with that demeanor. One suggestion might be to turn your enthusiasm for destruction toward those who are there. I am sure there are others in the areas you frequent which share your pension for destruction. Perhaps one of them would serve as a viable target?
The other side of the situation is that you've been so efficient in your bloodletting that its time to move into another low security pocket. As others have suggested there are still some target rich environments in low security space. As far as I know there are still people who hunt for NPC's in low security belts.
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Logistics XO, Astrum Contract Services Group
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xenodia
Gallente
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.20 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kruel
Give me a break.
I just want to blow something up... ANYTHING! I don't care if it's a barge or a battleship. Fact is, nobody belt rats anymore, and I haven't seen lowsec mining ops in months.
Effing carebear. Go away.
I can almost guarantee you that I was engaging in pvp (against stuff that could fight back even) back when your idea of multiplayer gaming was having some friends over to play playstation. The fact that youd call me a carebear just broadcast to anyone that knows me that you havent a clue what youre talking about.
Its not my fault you come across as a no-skill low sec ganker who I wouldnt trust to fly a tackling frigate. Im not the one that wrote a whining post complaining about the lack of easy ganks .... err I mean "pvp" in low sec. If you want to "blow **** up", I could give you at least 10 system names where you could basically guarantee a fight. The problem is, most of the empire noobpirates avoid those areas like the plague precisely BECAUSE they might actually get a fight there, as opposed to an easy gank. So, if you want some respect from people who actually know how to pvp, grow a set and head out to where the big boys play. Or stay in the sandbox and continue to make assinine posts that show your complete lack of knowledge and skill. Either way, you will probably still never be anything more than inconsequential in the eve universe.
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.20 18:00:00 -
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You're reading more into my posts than what I'm posting. You're assuming that I want nothing but an "easy gank". When did I say that I was looking for only barges? I want any target, battleship or below, but I don't want to gate camp. Is that so difficult to understand?
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xenodia
Gallente
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.20 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kruel
High sec is full of miners, low sec is empty aside from the occasional hauler and gate campers.
Please ccp I'm getting bored here. I wanna blast me some fools without resorting to lame 150k+ Tempest gate camps. I want to see barges with escorts in asteroid belts. But no one mines in low sec because it's not worth the risk.
Im sure it was those parts of your original post which confused me. But hey, if you'll engage a battleship (and im assuming youd engage a pvp fitted battleship, not just a mining/ratting one), then more power to you. Me personally, I like to gank noobpirates in their battleships when they are all flashy red and I dont have to take a sec hit. I hate having to NPC hunt to clean up sec status :). And some of them say the funniest things in local when they get ganked by an arazu. One guy in a megathron called me a "woosie girl" for killing him "without letting him target me". The funny part was when I engaged him he was flashing red from sniping a hauler at a gate. He shut up when I asked him if he waited for the hauler to close the 150km gap and target him before blasting it.
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.20 18:39:00 -
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The bigger the target, the better the prize. I fly an Ishkur, but would engage a single battleship given the chance. Don't think I won't warp out when things get bad though. 
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anyname isfine
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Posted - 2006.10.20 19:07:00 -
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This is what is called the "Lotka-Volterra Model". It demonstrates the relation of predator to prey. Too many pirates ganking, and your easy targets move on. Thus Eve mirrors reality. Not enough easy targets? Well then there are too many pirates. Pirates go hungry, and order is restored to the universe.
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.20 19:17:00 -
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Lol, nice graph.
Still though, the problem is slightly different in Eve. See, there ARE lots of miners (rabbits), but they never go below .5 space.
Now I know I sound like I want to easy-gank barges in low sec, but what I'd rather see are barges with more hp and escort ships that I'd have to deal with as a pirate. I'd be more interested in the combat involved with the escorts as I would the barge.
Problem is, it's not cost efficient to employ escorts for lowsec mining. You're better off with 3 barges in .5 than you are with 1 barge and 2 escorts in .2 space.
My only hope for some pvp is finding someone who's belt ratting. But all I ever get are noobs who haven't learned how to check local or use the scanner. :(
I posted an idea in the ideas forum about increasing barge HP by a lot. That change along with better ore in lowsec (or worse ore in highsec) could make the lowsec risk factor worth it.
In fact maybe rat bounties should be increased too.
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anyname isfine
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Posted - 2006.10.20 19:48:00 -
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Consider hi-sec to be the rabbit's burrow. The good food is in hi-sec, but he will never go there if there are too many foxes. He will take some risks to enjoy the vastly increased pay-off, but not if it means certain death.
If no miners are venturing to the profitable areas, it is because risk/reward is out of balance. I'm not speaking of balance on an individual level, but a collective one.
In other words if there were less pirates there would be many more miners and haulers. The pirates, although fewer in number, would also enjoy greater rewards without thinning the herd too much.
The lack of targets you speak of, by definition, means there are too many pirates.
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Caliwyrm O'Libr
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Posted - 2006.10.20 20:40:00 -
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Sorry, I still think most of the low sec pirates aren't in it for the "PvP" as much as they are for ganking and calling it PvP..
If there are so many hungry pirates in low sec why aren't they fighting each other? Could it be because their targets would shoot back and it may actually be a close fight?
If it is for profit wouldn't hunting PvPers in 0.0 be just as lucrative or better than killing the occasional hauler/miner? Oh, but they'd shoot back too..
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anyname isfine
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Posted - 2006.10.20 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Caliwyrm O'Libr
Sorry, I still think most of the low sec pirates aren't in it for the "PvP" as much as they are for ganking and calling it PvP..
If there are so many hungry pirates in low sec why aren't they fighting each other? Could it be because their targets would shoot back and it may actually be a close fight?
If it is for profit wouldn't hunting PvPers in 0.0 be just as lucrative or better than killing the occasional hauler/miner? Oh, but they'd shoot back too..
QFT
Not always true, but mostly so.
I've had pirates complain about having a gang come after them in revenge for killing a solo hauler saying it wasn't fair. For some it's about easy kills for the killboard and they flip out when the tables are turned. I mean, why on earth would a pirate mess with a shuttle if there was no profit motive involved unless they intend to ransom your implants, which most do not?
However there are a fair number that RP, and although you hate getting killed in any case when just trying to earn a bit of isk hailing minerals or loot, at least the RP pirates add to the flavor of the game, as opposed to the pure gankers that are really just pressing the killboard easy button IMHO.
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xenodia
Gallente
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.20 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Caliwyrm O'Libr
Sorry, I still think most of the low sec pirates aren't in it for the "PvP" as much as they are for ganking and calling it PvP..
If there are so many hungry pirates in low sec why aren't they fighting each other? Could it be because their targets would shoot back and it may actually be a close fight?
If it is for profit wouldn't hunting PvPers in 0.0 be just as lucrative or better than killing the occasional hauler/miner? Oh, but they'd shoot back too..
Thats pretty much what ive been saying throughout the whole thread. Ganking /= pvp. Most gankers are not good pvpers. If they were good, they would be out pvping against targets that could actually give them a fight.
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Tokar Lorell
Gallente
Mercatoris Technologies
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Posted - 2006.10.21 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kruel
I'm a lame pirate who has to camp gates and ambush defenseless targets for kills. I want industrials to travel in big, defenseless groups so I can take them all on at once and feel badass instead of doing the lame sniping thing.
Like it's been said already...you know where to go for excitement. But you're too scared to go there and would rather continue doing the same stupid ganking routine, apparently.
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.21 01:51:00 -
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Lol nice fake quote.
Apparently you haven't read what I've been saying.
I find people in belts, I don't camp gates. Have you ever tried gate camping in an Assault Frigate? 
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Rowan Mayfair
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Posted - 2006.10.21 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kruel
Lol nice fake quote.
Apparently you haven't read what I've been saying.
I find people in belts weakened and preoccupied by the rats, I don't camp gates. Have you ever tried gate camping in an Assault Frigate?
/fake quote
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