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Lilan Kahn Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.02 19:45:00 - [31] Originally by: Proton Power Originally by: Lilan Kahn Originally by: DeathGrip Honest Question - I know ISS lost 2 dreads in the past week or so, and I know this war is going to drag on forever. How does capital ship loss's and this war effect the shareholders like myself. Shoud it effect you? You know comments like this really tick me off from an IPO. He asked a legit question, does it effect the share holders. Dreads are what? 2bil isk each. That is 4bil isk loss. Does that come from shareholders or from ISS. Does this war help the stations atm, or does it hurt them. Your suppose to be a public corp, you shouldnt attack everyones comments. Engangeing your brain kinda helps you know, dose it say any where in the ipo oh iss wil take your iskis and buy shiny ships? Dont fly what you cant afford to lose but okay some peopel need every thing cut out in cardboard Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication. http://www.sloganizer.net/en/image,Lilan-spc-Kahn,white,black.png
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Trading Inc Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.01.02 19:48:00 - [32] This is why I chose not to invest billions into ISS new IPO. You guys treat your share holders like crap. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
ELITE's LOTTO ELITE.	Posted - 2007.01.02 19:53:00 - [33] Actually I kinda agree with Proton here. I dont know about the dread loss's, but what about the ships loss's and such to defend the outposts, and lost POS's. Who is paying for these things?
Lilan Kahn Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.02 19:57:00 - [34] Originally by: ELITE's LOTTO Actually I kinda agree with Proton here. I dont know about the dread loss's, but what about the ships loss's and such to defend the outposts, and lost POS's. Who is paying for these things? http://www.eve-iss.com/ISSO/9.asp pos and crap gets paid for by corperations inside iss the ipo plan is prety stright forward Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication. http://www.sloganizer.net/en/image,Lilan-spc-Kahn,white,black.png
DeathGrip Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.01.02 20:00:00 - [35] With the bad dividends, and always being shot at, wouldnt you have a bad attitude lol. Was just a question, but guess they dont know how to handle questions, its all good though. AXE - Where the men work hard and the girls want to play.

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Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.01.02 21:13:00 - [37] Originally by: ELITE's LOTTO Actually I kinda agree with Proton here. I dont know about the dread loss's, but what about the ships loss's and such to defend the outposts, and lost POS's. Who is paying for these things? Exactly. I know ISSN, at least, does ship replacement and free fittings; where do those iskies come from? Also, a simple, clear answer to a shareholder's question is always better than a snarky one. Show some class. MP
Stins ISS Logistics Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.03 00:55:00 - [38] Originally by: Proton Power This is why I chose not to invest billions into ISS new IPO. You guys treat your share holders like crap. "you guys" ?....... Lilan Kahn does not represent ISS. He has no position in ISS management who handles the ISSO IPO. To asnwer the question. ISSO did pay out a 5% dividend today, only a few weeks after we put the isk to work. Like defined in the business plan, profits between 5% and 10% will be put back into the alliance to make our logistical backbone stronger. Outpost defence like the current operation is included in that. ISSO shareholders will not suffer from this war. The shopping basket in marginis, for example, sells way above our expectations at the moment.
Ramblin Man Empyreum	Posted - 2007.01.03 01:48:00 - [39] Originally by: Proton Power Originally by: Lilan Kahn Originally by: DeathGrip Honest Question - I know ISS lost 2 dreads in the past week or so, and I know this war is going to drag on forever. How does capital ship loss's and this war effect the shareholders like myself. Shoud it effect you? You know comments like this really tick me off from an IPO. He asked a legit question, does it effect the share holders. It's a legit and complete answer from my point of view: "No, capital ship losses and this war do not effect shareholders. Is there any reason why they should?"
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.01.03 09:09:00 - [40] Originally by: Ramblin Man It's a legit and complete answer from my point of view: "No, capital ship losses and this war do not effect shareholders. Is there any reason why they should?" Yes. Because if, for example, ISS offers a discount on dreads to in-alliance corps, that's a missed opportunity cost--i.e., a missed bit of profit. MP
Astarte Nosferatu MBN Holding Corporation	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:50:00 - [41] Originally by: Motivated Prophet Originally by: Ramblin Man It's a legit and complete answer from my point of view: "No, capital ship losses and this war do not effect shareholders. Is there any reason why they should?" Yes. Because if, for example, ISS offers a discount on dreads to in-alliance corps, that's a missed opportunity cost--i.e., a missed bit of profit. MP But it helps more ISS members in Capital Ships, whereas the members had to pay 100% of the Capital Ship cost, there would be a substantial part of the members that simply couldn't afford a Dreadnaught or Carrier, thus less members would be able to contribute to the effective defence of the outposts. There's a subtle balance between profit and effeciency, the only thing we can ask for is that ISS leadership aims for that balance, which I think they will if they are serious about ISS continued survival.
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Trading Inc Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.01.03 14:47:00 - [42] Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Originally by: Motivated Prophet Originally by: Ramblin Man It's a legit and complete answer from my point of view: "No, capital ship losses and this war do not effect shareholders. Is there any reason why they should?" Yes. Because if, for example, ISS offers a discount on dreads to in-alliance corps, that's a missed opportunity cost--i.e., a missed bit of profit. MP But it helps more ISS members in Capital Ships, whereas the members had to pay 100% of the Capital Ship cost, there would be a substantial part of the members that simply couldn't afford a Dreadnaught or Carrier, thus less members would be able to contribute to the effective defence of the outposts. There's a subtle balance between profit and effeciency, the only thing we can ask for is that ISS leadership aims for that balance, which I think they will if they are serious about ISS continued survival. I dont think DeathGrip was asking why they do it, I think he was more asking what do they do. And from what I can gather ISS pays for its own ships and such and dosnt effect the IPO. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
DeathGrip Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.01.03 14:52:00 - [43] Originally by: Stins Originally by: Proton Power This is why I chose not to invest billions into ISS new IPO. You guys treat your share holders like crap. "you guys" ?....... Lilan Kahn does not represent ISS. He has no position in ISS management who handles the ISSO IPO. To asnwer the question. ISSO did pay out a 5% dividend today, only a few weeks after we put the isk to work. Like defined in the business plan, profits between 5% and 10% will be put back into the alliance to make our logistical backbone stronger. Outpost defence like the current operation is included in that. ISSO shareholders will not suffer from this war. The shopping basket in marginis, for example, sells way above our expectations at the moment. Looks to me like Lilan has the ISS Alliance Ticker. Looks to me like he is answering for ISS, maybe you should let him/her not to do such things if ISS is not going to take responsibility for his/her posts. Just like if I went on here and posted that AXE is at war with ISS now, does that mean its official, NO. But makes you wonder what Axe is doing if it wasnt'. Anyway I seem to like ganking in your space and will continue to do so until I get a public appology from Lilan or he/she is no longer in corp. If you dont believe me ask your alliance about our small gang yesterday. AXE - Where the men work hard and the girls want to play.
Lilan Kahn Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.03 15:32:00 - [44] Wellcom to providence/catch. Hope you enjoy the fun like me. Love Lilan. Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication. http://www.sloganizer.net/en/image,Lilan-spc-Kahn,white,black.png
DeathGrip Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.01.03 15:40:00 - [45] Edited by: DeathGrip on 03/01/2007 15:40:21 Originally by: Lilan Kahn Wellcom to providence/catch. Hope you enjoy the fun like me. Love Lilan. Loving it so far. I am sure your alliance mates like to lose ships due to your mouth, matter of fact in local I think even some of your alliance mates expressed how much they liked you. AXE - Where the men work hard and the girls want to play.
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.01.03 18:46:00 - [46] Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Originally by: Motivated Prophet Originally by: Ramblin Man It's a legit and complete answer from my point of view: "No, capital ship losses and this war do not effect shareholders. Is there any reason why they should?" Yes. Because if, for example, ISS offers a discount on dreads to in-alliance corps, that's a missed opportunity cost--i.e., a missed bit of profit. MP But it helps more ISS members in Capital Ships, whereas the members had to pay 100% of the Capital Ship cost, there would be a substantial part of the members that simply couldn't afford a Dreadnaught or Carrier, thus less members would be able to contribute to the effective defence of the outposts. There's a subtle balance between profit and effeciency, the only thing we can ask for is that ISS leadership aims for that balance, which I think they will if they are serious about ISS continued survival. And if they do have a discount program, then the original question is valid--how does the loss of those capital ships affect things? Because if they do have a discount program, it DOES have an effect. MP
Lilan Kahn Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.03 19:01:00 - [47] Edited by: Lilan Kahn on 03/01/2007 19:03:58 Originally by: Motivated Prophet Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Originally by: Motivated Prophet Originally by: Ramblin Man It's a legit and complete answer from my point of view: "No, capital ship losses and this war do not effect shareholders. Is there any reason why they should?" Yes. Because if, for example, ISS offers a discount on dreads to in-alliance corps, that's a missed opportunity cost--i.e., a missed bit of profit. MP But it helps more ISS members in Capital Ships, whereas the members had to pay 100% of the Capital Ship cost, there would be a substantial part of the members that simply couldn't afford a Dreadnaught or Carrier, thus less members would be able to contribute to the effective defence of the outposts. There's a subtle balance between profit and effeciency, the only thing we can ask for is that ISS leadership aims for that balance, which I think they will if they are serious about ISS continued survival. And if they do have a discount program, then the original question is valid--how does the loss of those capital ships affect things? Because if they do have a discount program, it DOES have an effect. MP We dont. edit We as in me and others havent seen a deime of isk to buy ships with* We do have a few corperations in iss building carriers and dread who sells at a discount for there own motives. Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication. http://www.sloganizer.net/en/image,Lilan-spc-Kahn,white,black.png
solidshot Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.06 09:45:00 - [48] Edited by: solidshot on 06/01/2007 09:42:21 Originally by: Lilan Kahn Edited by: Lilan Kahn on 03/01/2007 19:03:58 Originally by: Motivated Prophet Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Originally by: Motivated Prophet Originally by: Ramblin Man It's a legit and complete answer from my point of view: "No, capital ship losses and this war do not effect shareholders. Is there any reason why they should?" Yes. Because if, for example, ISS offers a discount on dreads to in-alliance corps, that's a missed opportunity cost--i.e., a missed bit of profit. MP But it helps more ISS members in Capital Ships, whereas the members had to pay 100% of the Capital Ship cost, there would be a substantial part of the members that simply couldn't afford a Dreadnaught or Carrier, thus less members would be able to contribute to the effective defence of the outposts. There's a subtle balance between profit and effeciency, the only thing we can ask for is that ISS leadership aims for that balance, which I think they will if they are serious about ISS continued survival. And if they do have a discount program, then the original question is valid--how does the loss of those capital ships affect things? Because if they do have a discount program, it DOES have an effect. MP We dont. edit We as in me and others havent seen a deime of isk to buy ships with* We do have a few corperations in iss building carriers and dread who sells at a discount for there own motives. Above you stated that you don't recieve a dime from the ISS for losses? but in the corps and allinces section Algey has stated Quote: I get full reimbursment from ISSN for ship losses, on this page so is the ISS pulling your chain Lilan or is one of you bull****ting?
Halafian The Graduates	Posted - 2007.01.06 16:19:00 - [49] I wouldn't know for sure, but logic suggests that funding ISSN is a cost of doing business. Where's the problem exactly? You don't want ISS to fund ISSN? Station defense is part of the budget. Some of the cost is probably alleviated by market synergies not within the scope of any of the IPOs. Doesn't really seem all that complicated. Unless you're just hear to gloat.
Hehulk Slacker Industries	Posted - 2007.01.06 17:53:00 - [50] IIRC, the ISSN is funded with a monthly budget that comes out of what the member corps of ISS pay. That is in addition to the corps paying for ISS to pay whoever to allow them access to 0.0. ---------- It's great being minmatar, ain't it
Serenity Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate Operations	Posted - 2007.01.07 21:35:00 - [51] The ISSN is funded out of a monthly pre-allocated budget. This comes from existing pre-ipo revenue streams. It doesn't effect the IPO profitability. New ISS IPO Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
James 315 The Older Gamers	Posted - 2007.01.08 21:00:00 - [52] Originally by: Ramblin Man Originally by: Proton Power Originally by: Lilan Kahn Originally by: DeathGrip Honest Question - I know ISS lost 2 dreads in the past week or so, and I know this war is going to drag on forever. How does capital ship loss's and this war effect the shareholders like myself. Shoud it effect you? You know comments like this really tick me off from an IPO. He asked a legit question, does it effect the share holders. It's a legit and complete answer from my point of view: "No, capital ship losses and this war do not effect shareholders. Is there any reason why they should?" Of course not, why should losing their outposts hurt the profits of an alliance that makes its money from outposts?
Sales Merchant	Posted - 2007.01.09 11:56:00 - [53] Originally by: Stins ISSO shareholders will not suffer from this war. Quoted for future reference. I've invested 10 billion into this IPO, it's taken me 3 and a half years of hard work to make that from nothing so you treat it with some respect. Shareholders are understandably disgruntled with this stupid and pointless war, what really **es us off is this blanket of silence from ISS management regarding our investments. We didn't ask for these wars, and we certainly didn't give you guys countless billions to galavant around the galaxy starting fights. So unless you intend to drop the 0.0 politics and get back to business then give us our share money back and do whatever you like. _______ Irony (i+ro+ny) [ahy-ruh-nee] Originally by:** Ginger Magician ...this was not a fight it was simply a pathetic gank. _______

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