Black Nova Corp [BNC] from 2009.11.09 21:48 to 2011.02.05 01:58.

lmao

Democracy with the votes of 10% of the population is not real democracy, but a flavor of oligarchy. And the answer is not getting rid of voting, but to gather more voting.

CSM would make a lot more of sense if players were forced to vote after login so every last 350,000th account was asked and had to bloody cast a vote, if even a random one (random order of appearence of the options would fix any bias caused by random voting, and all in all random voting would be a white noise canceling itself).

Also could give the players an Australian voting system so they could both vote for or vote against candidates, and there you go...

Hm, not dismissive of the OP's notion.

The CSM has been one big pile of disappoint this term.

... lets get rid of the CSM. They're about as useful as a waterproof teabag with the goons leading it anyway.

I agree with Hecatonis, such outbursts for such a simple statement.

@The Mittani : y so srs?

The Goons can never be dislodged from the CSM with their mains, alts and fanboi's voting for them. The CSM is not for the players anymore it's just a popularity contest.
The only real course of action is to disband it despite what White Tree thinks, The CSM did not bring those changes about - CCP did.
Do you honestly think anyone takes the CSM seriously? You're just a figure head.

I just find it ironic that the person supposedly representing the players has his lapdogs out there disrupting the players experience.

How so?

We can't even dislike forum posts and you think CCP is going to allow grief voting in the CSM election? Would be fun to sink the hopes and dreams of some people, but it's unlikely to ever happen.

Forcing people to vote sound good and is what true democracy is all about. Because it totally won't still be 10% of people voting for their candidate, while the rest vote for the first candidate that happens to appear in their list, so they can get it over with and go back to playing the game. The best part ofcourse being that, since 100% of players voted, the CSM now truely has the undivided backing of the playerbase and not some false and artificilly inflated voter number, that actually has little to no correspondence with what the players really support and is just used as a fake show of legitimacy.

Definitely not a pointless annoyance, that only tries to mask the low levels of interest people have in the process and CSM in general. A giant improvement over the current system as we can all agree.

The Goons can never be dislodged from the CSM with their mains, alts and fanboi's voting for them. The CSM is not for the players anymore it's just a popularity contest.

Well, Australia's preferential election system is a real world case and it works fine. Bear in mind there are no "negative" votes, rather a candidate won't go far if he consistently fails to be one of the first choices.

See Wikipedia for details, it explains it better than what my English would allow me to explain:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Transferable_Vote

Be noted, Australia also got compulsory vote.

I do wonder how many of those complaining actually voted...

Yes, Australia also banned such games as fallout 3, and are on a self righteous morality trip about everything, even allowable breast size in **** regardless of age. I wouldn't trust anything that comes out of that spider infested hellscape.

edit: apparently pron is censored.

Do as your sig says and quit, you'll do everyone a favor.

Democracy with the votes of 10% of the population is not real democracy, but a flavor of oligarchy. And the answer is not getting rid of voting, but to gather more voting.

CSM would make a lot more of sense if players were forced to vote after login so every last 350,000th account was asked and had to bloody cast a vote, if even a random one (random order of appearence of the options would fix any bias caused by random voting, and all in all random voting would be a white noise canceling itself).

Also could give the players an Australian voting system so they could both vote for or vote against candidates, and there you go...

Oh look, the minority's complaining again because they don't like that the majority control the government.

If only 10% of the population cares enough to bother voting why make the rest vote if they don't care enough now with how easy it is to spend ~5mins casting a vote online? It's not like they have to drive to a polling station and since it seems to already be far to much trouble for them to vote forcing them to vote will only serve to annoy them more.

I voted for Trebor simply because I flew with him at one point I didn't research opinions or stances of the candidates I just voted the one I knew at one point in the past. Most people just won't bother to research the candidates and since unlike real life there no simple newspapers or TV news to read/watch to find out about the candidates. The non-voting 90% wouldn't know who to vote for and probably wouldn't care and would just pick one at random or who ever was at the top of the list. Is the list of candidates static or randomly ordered and generated? Because if you force them to vote who ever is on top or at least before the fold will win.

If only 10% of the population cares enough to bother voting why make the rest vote if they don't care enough now with how easy it is to spend ~5mins casting a vote online? It's not like they have to drive to a polling station and since it seems to already be far to much trouble for them to vote forcing them to vote will only serve to annoy them more.

I voted for Trebor simply because I flew with him at one point I didn't research opinions or stances of the candidates I just voted the one I knew at one point in the past. Most people just won't bother to research the candidates and since unlike real life there no simple newspapers or TV news to read/watch to find out about the candidates. The non-voting 90% wouldn't know who to vote for and probably wouldn't care and would just pick one at random or who ever was at the top of the list. Is the list of candidates static or randomly ordered and generated? Because if you force them to vote who ever is on top or at least before the fold will win.

That's a good point. The list should be in a random order. I thought that the people who don't know who to vote for would just balance out each other. Just voting for the top person on the list seems really odd to me. I guess a few people would do that though. Is there some research on this type of thing? Or are you just making this stuff up? Because you're obviously for to the right not to vote. I'd suggest that huge fund raisers and paying heaps of money to get people to vote for you is such a great idea. Does the person who gets the most money from fund raisers in the States, win the election? It seems like a huge waste of money if you ask me.

Random generated list, then voter sorts the candidates in order of preference, at least 2/3 of the choices. If you see a name you like, make it 1, If you dislike, make it last.

And in my book, when 10% the population decides for the other 90%, something is going horribly wrong and it's the systems' fault.

It's a game and while internet spaceships are zeriouz business if they can't be bothered to vote willingly why do you seem to think they will care who they vote for when forced to? Really random and then they then have to sort the order? Thats to much work for them to bother if they already won't vote willingly

spider infested hellscape.

Because either they vote or they can't proceed past the login screen, that's one good reason to spew some random numbers or, go figure, read the names. Maybe even check them. Maybe even check what they say.

Even that would be better than have a CSM that can be defined as "nullsec alliances puppet masters plus good ole Meissa Anunthiel".

From a demographics vs CSM p.o.v., It's funny how most people lives in hisec and yet there are zero hisec dwellers in the CSM, FAI.

So your going to force people paying to play a game to vote for something they likely don't care about given they don't bother voting as it is? I'm a highs carebear and I really don't care about who is on the CSM I mean sure if you have all the members from one alliance nap fest it would be shady but just because they're nullsec players doesn't mean they want to negatively impact high-sec as its where the money is. Well outside of the Goons anyways but they're something awful not matter where they go trolling. One would assume CCP wouldn't allow the CSM to push a highsec braking change just for the pvp null sec players... err actually lets go with the forums would explode and we'd have threadnaughts if the CSM pushed something like that.

oh wait the poor OP is a joiner, he probably is unaware of CELES' sordid history of betrayal, hypocrisy and failure which set up the prologue of the Great War

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