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Scorpyn Caldari The Patriot Pact	Posted - 2006.10.17 10:41:00 - [1] My list of companies that I won't buy stuff from just increased. Too bad if that was the company that was releasing spore, because that's a game that I actually intended to buy.
Scorpyn Caldari The Patriot Pact	Posted - 2006.10.17 14:30:00 - [2] Originally by: digital0verdose ...however, this type of advertising will become more and more common very soon... Either that, or they will stop doing it when people stop buying their stuff.
Scorpyn Caldari The Patriot Pact	Posted - 2006.10.17 15:11:00 - [3] Originally by: digital0verdose Originally by: Scorpyn Originally by: digital0verdose ...however, this type of advertising will become more and more common very soon... Either that, or they will stop doing it when people stop buying their stuff. You're kidding yourself. People will not let advertising get in the way of playing a good or decent game. Also, without the advertising you will see game prices go up to cover the production costs. If you would rather pay $80 for a game without the advertising, I think a safe assumption would be that you would be in the minority. If them tracking all the websites I goto will help keep games at current costs, then let them scan my travels through the web. I serious doubt we'll see a Bang Brothers ad in a game anytime soon. I have already decided not to buy any more EA games - one of them apparenly being Spore, which was a game that I was actually looking forward to. If they increase the price that much, you can forget about me buying it aswell. I bet you'd defend the war diallers aswell
Scorpyn Caldari The Patriot Pact	Posted - 2006.10.17 15:22:00 - [4] Originally by: digital0verdose You can think of me what you will. But at the end of the day, if companies, who have real estate to advertise, do not make money through advertising, then the consumer will absorb the cost. This is just the way it works, like it or not. Spyware is not a prerequisite for advertising, and if you need adverts in the game then you're doing something wrong. It's not about the game companies actually needing the money as much as it's about the advertisers seeing an unexploited market.
Scorpyn Caldari The Patriot Pact	Posted - 2006.10.17 17:19:00 - [5] Edited by: Scorpyn on 17/10/2006 17:21:11 Originally by: digital0verdose You may want to consider looking into the corporate world and how it works before making blanket comments like this. You may want to do some research on peoples opinions on spyware before defending it. Originally by: digital0verdose They are not breaking any laws and they are not doing anything unethical. You are right about not breaking any laws, but it's definitely unethical to install spyware.
Scorpyn Caldari The Patriot Pact	Posted - 2006.10.17 17:37:00 - [6] All right, please explain it to me as you would explain it to them and we'll see if you succeed or not.
Scorpyn Caldari The Patriot Pact	Posted - 2006.10.17 18:22:00 - [7] Originally by: digital0verdose Originally by: Scorpyn All right, please explain it to me as you would explain it to them and we'll see if you succeed or not. I'm the mediator, a rep from the respective company is the one that layout though the jist of my posts in this thread layout the basics. These companies do not care about individuals. They look for trends like 3% of the users/players visit an NFL site at least twice a day, "Great, 3% of our base is roughly 1.3 million people in the US. Bob, lets see if the NFL would like to advertise the playoffs with us in our game." That would obviously be more for EA's case. Adobe would use their tracking for the exact opposite. They would look to see what communities it's users venture into and then they would advertise themselves there. Back to EA a moment. One of our recent clients involded in the gaming market is looking at doing something similar in their upcomming game. They sent over some early projections but based off of our volumetrics, they will make almost as much selling advertisement space in the game as they would on the game it's self which is planned to be used on future game development. While you may think all the money goes into the top tier of the company, it actually goes towards production. A ton of money is saved by selling off game world real estate. I see. "Thanks for buying our game. Now we'll just have to use some stats from your browser in order to make more money." Sorry, but you failed.
Scorpyn Caldari The Patriot Pact	Posted - 2006.10.17 18:57:00 - [8] Originally by: digital0verdose Luckily I don't have goals that including convincing people who are inept in understanding how business works and new methods to effectively present new ways in cost reduction. The only reason you are not understanding this is because you are letting stubborn ignorance control your point of view on this subject. You have a set way of thinking and your pride is more important than reality. I am sorry I had this debate as you are not willing to learn. Luckily I don't have goals that include convincing people who are inept in understanding the fact some people don't want spyware in their computers. You talk like the ones involved in pyramid games who keep telling the next person in line that "It's different from a pyramid game. Really.".
Scorpyn Caldari The Patriot Pact	Posted - 2006.10.17 19:08:00 - [9] Originally by: digital0verdose What pyramid game? Seriously, what is the conspiracy that you are so worried about? I told you straight up what they are doing with the data and you ignore it. I explain to you how this data collection can help you and you ignore it. You continue to call something spyware that isn't spying, you know it's there. You are an illogical person. I'm not an illogical person just because I disagree with you. Please explain the difference between this and your definition of spyware, because we obviously don't have the same definition.
Scorpyn Caldari The Patriot Pact	Posted - 2006.10.17 19:18:00 - [10] Edited by: Scorpyn on 17/10/2006 19:18:13 Originally by: digital0verdose You are illogical because you cannot get the fact that this is used for something else other than profit. Spyware is software that is executed and runs on a PC collecting data of which the owner is not aware of. EA is telling you exactly what is being collected and how it is being used and by what method this is all taking place. How is that spying? How are they being sneaky? The term for this software should be called blatantware. So the only difference is that they tell you about it? I have made up my mind. If people don't like privacy then that's their problem, but you're not gonna make be buy software that makes extra money from spyware - whether you want to call it that or not.

Scorpyn Caldari The Patriot Pact	Posted - 2006.10.17 19:31:00 - [11] Would you be happier if I called it a data miner instead of spyware? It's basically the same thing though, the only difference is the text in bold. It doesn't matter if it's something that I can easily see in the eula or whatever - if I don't even have the option to not install it when installing the game that I have already paid for, I will be somewhat furious.
Scorpyn Caldari The Patriot Pact	Posted - 2006.10.17 21:17:00 - [12] Originally by: Caedicus ...If you want to boycott them, go ahead and stop buying games (besides Eve). I'm already boycotting sony due to their rootkit stunt actually.
Scorpyn Caldari The Patriot Pact	Posted - 2006.10.18 06:44:00 - [13] Originally by: MrShooter Edited by: MrShooter on 18/10/2006 03:33:50 BATTLEFIELD 2142 DOES NOT MONITER WHAT WEBSITES YOU GO TO. Nowhere on the paper does it mention monitering what you do with the internet outside of the game. It moniters what ads you look at in game, how long you look at them, and from what distance and angle you look at them. The game developers themselves have confirmed this. If the ads really bug you, add the IGA servers to your hosts file or firewall block list, and you will never see an ad in the game again. They won't be able to track what ads you are looking at in the game if they can't communicate with your computer, so you can put your tinfoil hats away. (And no, I am not defending the in-game advertisements, I am going to be adding the IGA servers to my firewall block so I don't have to see ads for 130 year old iPods and cars) At least adware isn't as bad as spyware, but I still don't want ads in a game that I've already paid for. If they want to add ads, they should make the game free. If they put adware into Spore, I won't buy it - but since this was apparently not spyware I'll give them a chance to add a remover for this game, and if they do (and don't add adware to Spore) I will consider buying Spore. If they don't do that, they can forget about it. There is also another issue : digital0verdose talked about another game company that wanted to add spyware. If they do, they can forget about me buying their stuff.
Scorpyn Caldari The Patriot Pact	Posted - 2006.10.19 15:54:00 - [14] Originally by: digital0verdose Wow, you are dense. No one is adding spyware into their games. If someone is monitoring my web browsing activity and sends it to their servers, it's definitely spyware whether it's written in the EULA or not. If the only thing they do is to monitor which ads you've seen the problem is suddenly reduced to a question about whether I want ads in my game or not - which I don't want, but in some cases it can be acceptable if done in a way that makes it completely non-intrusive (no downloading of stuff when playing - only when switching between servers, no background program that is running when not playing etc). Also, they claim that the IP is not personal information. What else do they claim to not be personal information, which actually is personal information?
Scorpyn Caldari The Patriot Pact	Posted - 2006.10.21 22:08:00 - [15] Originally by: Eshtir I have it installed and played it already, still im here and my computer didnt went to hell. It's not the computer going to hell, and the transfer is not instant.
Scorpyn Caldari The Patriot Pact	Posted - 2006.10.22 00:12:00 - [16] Originally by: Eshtir Originally by: Scorpyn Originally by: Eshtir I have it installed and played it already, still im here and my computer didnt went to hell. It's not the computer going to hell, and the transfer is not instant. Oh well, lets say it this way. EA can spy on me all day long if they want as i dont really have anything to hide. That is the kind of thinking that makes the book 1984 become a reality.
Scorpyn Caldari The Patriot Pact	Posted - 2006.10.22 10:41:00 - [17] Originally by: Pepperami If eve brought in advertising, I don't know whether it would alone make me quit, but if I heard about it before I started playing, I wouldn't of paid for roughly the equivilent of 6 years of subs across my chars(!) If EVE brought in ads I'd probably not quit because of that either (at least not all of the accounts and not immediately), but if they added spyware I'd be gone immediately and not look back.

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