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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.17 17:32:37 -
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In https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=411289 the infamous gallentean reporter claims ridiculous lie about Caldari, that we supposedly "started the Militia Wars":
Muck Raker wrote: When Tibus Heth started the Militia Wars, thousands of individuals came forward, claiming to have been impregnated by Tibus Heth, or other senior Caldari figures.
To not let any feeble minded to fall under dependence of lying gallentean propaganda machine, I would like to remind to you bare facts, that happened and lead to invasion into Federal space in order to liberate Caldari Prime from gallente occupant's greedy hands.
1. Gallentean racism stoke Caldari Prime right before the war has started, that was violence by gallentean occupants towards Caldari people 2. As Caldari citizens were protesting against gallentean racism, they were beaten by gallentean police, and that was violence by the occupant regime itself. 3. Actual reason to start Militia War (and not war to liberate Caldari Prime) was a gallentean attempt to contest just our Black Rise, which colonization we had announced. 4. Some might claim that it was our hero Tibus Heth who actually have started exactly military action first, but again, the first military action was committed a bit earlier by a federal ship FNS Wandering Saint. The Federal propaganda would deny it was their sanctioned operation, but what we know is: 4a. It was Federal Navy ship; 4b. It was piloted by Federal Navy Admiral; 4c. It was sent to Caldari Space by Federal president.
As you can see, all hostile actions were conducted by gallenteans first, but they are always lying about it, claiming that "we have started it". Please be vigilant, always refer to facts, don't let gallente propagandists to fool you,
and never trust a gallente. |
Xadiran
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2015.03.17 18:10:23 -
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Ahh, Diana Kim, as refreshingly single-minded as always.
Explain one thing to me about the incident regarding the Wandering Saint:
Why were the stations shields down?
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
754
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Posted - 2015.03.17 18:44:33 -
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Xadiran wrote: Explain one thing to me about the incident regarding the Wandering Saint: Why were the stations shields down?
I'm betting on some variation on the theme of "Gallentean Sabotage".
Doctor Valerie Valate, archaeologist. Not the other Doctor Valerie Valate.
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Kalaratiri
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
531
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Posted - 2015.03.17 18:52:50 -
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Nobody cares Diana
She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
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Tristan Valentina
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2015.03.17 21:18:53 -
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Who started a war between people who hate each other for reasons neither can remember.
Diana I have a question for you. Who started your war?
You seem to have been born loathing the Gallente? |
Daerrol
Furtherance.
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Posted - 2015.03.17 21:29:45 -
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I missed the part where I can make ISK in all this. |
Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
845
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Posted - 2015.03.18 00:36:58 -
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Daerrol wrote:I missed the part where I can make ISK in all this. I believe it's called Militia. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
4545
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Posted - 2015.03.18 02:48:52 -
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Xadiran wrote:Ahh, Diana Kim, as refreshingly single-minded as always.
Explain one thing to me about the incident regarding the Wandering Saint:
Why were the stations shields down?
Clearly Ishukone sabotaged their own shields because... No... Wait... I reckon the same people that arranged to have Noir ram his mothership right up the arse of the station arranged to have the shields be down.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
513
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Posted - 2015.03.18 05:23:37 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Clearly Ishukone sabotaged their own shields because... No... Wait... I reckon the same people that arranged to have Noir ram his mothership right up the arse of the station arranged to have the shields be down.
That certainly contradicts Noir acting alone. One man perpetrating a horrific attack of opportunity can be explained as "Lone Wolf" madness, without further "arrangements." I'll admit, however, that the idea that all of Alexander Noir's long and tireless advocacy for peace was all some kind of charade has always turned my stomach.
When it comes to conspiracy theory, though, there never seems to be any satisfaction. Nevertheless, my thinking always moves in the direction of "who benefitted?" Clearly, the most immediate beneficiary of that disaster was Tibus Heth. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
4546
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Posted - 2015.03.18 05:57:05 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Clearly Ishukone sabotaged their own shields because... No... Wait... I reckon the same people that arranged to have Noir ram his mothership right up the arse of the station arranged to have the shields be down.
That certainly contradicts Noir acting alone. One man perpetrating a horrific attack of opportunity can be explained as "Lone Wolf" madness, without further "arrangements." I'll admit, however, that the idea that all of Alexander Noir's long and tireless advocacy for peace was all some kind of charade has always turned my stomach. When it comes to conspiracy theory, though, there never seems to be any satisfaction. Nevertheless, my thinking always moves in the direction of "who benefitted?" Clearly, the most immediate beneficiary of that disaster was Tibus Heth.
Gosh, yes. Because when I think "Tibus Heth" I always think "cunning plotter whose machinations remain hidden for decades".
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
513
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Posted - 2015.03.18 06:07:06 -
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Pretty unsatisfying, isn't it? That's the trouble with conspiracies theories, one always has to take them further and further in search of that answer that fits.
All I know is that asking questions is the only honest part of this. Everyone selling answers is only serving themselves. |
Claudia Osyn
Limited Existance
1102
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Posted - 2015.03.18 07:05:26 -
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Did you really just quote Gutter press, a satire news program, as Gallente propaganda? Wow.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1658
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Posted - 2015.03.18 07:42:57 -
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Xadiran wrote:Ahh, Diana Kim, as refreshingly single-minded as always.
Explain one thing to me about the incident regarding the Wandering Saint:
Why were the stations shields down?
Because for some traitors in Ishukone it was profitable for their CEO to die. After this incident Ishukone corporation has visibly started to distance itself from the rest of the State.
And if you are looking for whom would get the most after Gairushi's death, take a closer look at... the new Ishukone CEO, let the Winds blow away his name from annals of history. Mr. Reppola has betrayed everything that was dear to any Caldari heart, everything our greatest hero Tibus Heth was striving to achieve. He sold his soul and honor to gallente for a piece of power. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1658
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Posted - 2015.03.18 07:47:41 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Did you really just quote Gutter press, a satire news program, as Gallente propaganda? Wow. It doesn't matter the source of the information, as it has a tendency to spread. Even said as a satire, it must be stopped, pointed out and rooted on the sight. Luckily for us, there is no such ridiculous "freedom of speech" in the State and all citizens bear responsibility for what they are saying. Word can be powerful as a weapon. And although I prefer weapons as a soldier, I just can't stand such unbearable tarnishing of Caldari name by gallentean subhumans.
If I can't put a bullet through their foreheads, I can point out at their lies, so readers have a chance to see other side as well, so they would have facts to study, so they would be able to dig into the problem themselves, to analyze and understand it, and not blindly believe to gallentean lies. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1658
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Posted - 2015.03.18 08:05:23 -
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Tristan Valentina wrote:Who started a war between people who hate each other for reasons neither can remember.
Diana I have a question for you. Who started your war?
You seem to have been born loathing the Gallente? Funny fact, I have got a different basic education from most of Caldari children, I have been grown up in the monastery and it was way more liberal to question about bloodlines that regular Caldari education system. And when I has joined the War Academy my ideals were not to "kill all gallenteans", as gallente propagandists love to lie about me, but to do actually something to make parents to always return to their children. Well, I was a kid back then with weird too idealistic dreams... you are becoming a soldier in the State at rather young age, and I was allowed to kill people way before I was allowed to drink alcohol. Yet even when I killed my first target I wasn't even thinking about gallenteans.
What made me loathe Gallente isn't the State, isn't my education, my friends, my parents, my corporation, my squadmates, my instructors and commanders. It were gallente themselves. I don't look at gallente words, but I look at gallente actions. I see and feel what you are doing, instead of buying what you are saying.
That naive soldier whom I was, has died seven years ago, and Diana Kim was born. Different name, different abilities and different destiny... When Tibus Heth came to power, I had already learned about true face of gallenteans, and their attack on Malkalen, their racial attacks on Caldari Prime didn't surprise me, but rather firmed down my impression I had earned by my own experience.
Diana Kim as a capsuleer indeed was born loathing the Gallente. But answering to your question, who started my war, I will answer just as I have answered the question who started militia wars. Gallente. |
Tristan Valentina
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2015.03.18 13:54:18 -
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Interesting.
Diana Kim at least you have a reason I suppose. That is more admirable then many Gallente I know.
Fly safe Ms.Kim. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
4547
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Posted - 2015.03.18 15:50:13 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:Pretty unsatisfying, isn't it? That's the trouble with conspiracies theories, one always has to take them further and further in search of that answer that fits.
All I know is that asking questions is the only honest part of this. Everyone selling answers is only serving themselves.
This is true. For my part I totally agree that the other extreme scenario (Gallente plot to make themselves thoroughly reviled as murdering liars) is also unsatisfying. As a cop, I was trained to let the facts speak for themselves.
1. Noir was a Federation Admiral who smashed his ship into Ishukone's HQ during a peace summit. 2. He gave a longwinded speech attacking the State as his justification. 3. He clearly didn't work alone. 4. Nobody has ever proved anything more than the above.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Claudia Osyn
Limited Existance
1102
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Posted - 2015.03.18 20:27:18 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Did you really just quote Gutter press, a satire news program, as Gallente propaganda? Wow. It doesn't matter the source of the information, as it has a tendency to spread. Even said as a satire, it must be stopped, pointed out and rooted on the sight. Luckily for us, there is no such ridiculous "freedom of speech" in the State and all citizens bear responsibility for what they are saying. Word can be powerful as a weapon. And although I prefer weapons as a soldier, I just can't stand such unbearable tarnishing of Caldari name by gallentean subhumans. If I can't put a bullet through their foreheads, I can point out at their lies, so readers have a chance to see other side as well, so they would have facts to study, so they would be able to dig into the problem themselves, to analyze and understand it, and not blindly believe to gallentean lies. Oddly enough, Gallente citizens are also responsible for what they say. The difference is, we believe that everyone has the right to say it. Useless dialog is normally ignored, threats are handled appropriately, and ideas of merit are given their due regardless of where they come from. And satirical news is just that, satirical. Despite your low opinion of us, we are not a stupid people, if the rest of new eden doesn't get the joke, that's their problem.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force The Kadeshi
2381
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Posted - 2015.03.24 20:32:47 -
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Xadiran wrote:Ahh, Diana Kim, as refreshingly single-minded as always.
Explain one thing to me about the incident regarding the Wandering Saint:
Why were the stations shields down?
Reactor fuel can't melt Tritanium beams!
Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
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Komodo Askold
No Code of Conduct Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
330
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Posted - 2015.03.24 21:47:46 -
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Personally, I'm quite confident the whole Caldari-Gallente war started because some extremist terrorist groups from both sides decided to turn up the heat. Or even worse, a single secret organization planned the Nouvelle Rouvenor attack and others, so that a war would ensue. If you think about it, it could perfectly be the case. What would you say, Caldari and Gallente people, if your war and mutual hate was organized by a third party?
Now excuse me while I hide from several secret-agent killteams. |
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Horflimathien
Aliastra Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.03.24 22:39:50 -
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Xadiran wrote:Why were the stations shields down? Nyx fuel can't melt Caldari steel beams. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
366
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Posted - 2015.03.25 01:45:49 -
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Komodo Askold wrote:Personally, I'm quite confident the whole Caldari-Gallente war started because some extremist terrorist groups from both sides decided to turn up the heat. Or even worse, a single secret organization planned the Nouvelle Rouvenor attack and others, so that a war would ensue. If you think about it, it could perfectly be the case. What would you say, Caldari and Gallente people, if your war and mutual hate was organized by a third party?
Now excuse me while I hide from several secret-agent killteams.
Nouvelle Rouvenor was orchestrated by the Templis Dragonaur, a Caldari supremacist group. That was never a secret.
The identity who sabotage the station shields? Now that's a mystery.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Alvarez Akachi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2015.03.25 03:55:34 -
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Ok, ok despite anything else lets lay the Malkalen incident to rest.........especially you Dianna.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Alexander_Noir
If read this and other reports....Admiral Noir was actually long dead before the Saint crashed into the Ishukone station that was actually waiting for it to show up and dock.....no traitors, no shielding compromised.
The Broker had a deadly feud going on with the Ishukone CEO because of the fact he allowed the Guristas to get the blueprints for Raven Class Battleships instead of selling them to him.
And for every one else that sits in Dianna's litle corner of ignorance......
The capsuleer militias were created simultaneuosly on YC 110 06-10 when all Empires basically declared war on each other.
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/breaking-news-concord-announces-authorization-of-emergency-militia-war-powers-act/
Now other than those sordid messes straightened out ...........
The Gallente did attempt to destroy Caldari Economic Power when we were CO-Founders of the Federation, they did blockade and assault our Citizenry when we refused to give up our colonies beyond federation borders seeking to escape Gallentean Imperialism.
They razed our cities, murdered our kin, and so to war we all went. They also reneged on the peace treaty agreements made by Tibus Heth after we re-took Caldari Prime once. Thankfully Ishukone is currently overseeing adminastration of at least half that world.
Truthfully the Gallente just need to let it fully go back into our control.....and Back the Hell off. Only then may a lasting peace be possible. But not Before. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
366
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Posted - 2015.03.25 04:02:22 -
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((You do realise that The Broker is not knowledge available IC-ly right?))
The Broker? As much as I hate that guy for fleecing me every time I put up a market order, condemning him for Malkaven is too harsh.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Kel hound
The Desolate Order Brave Collective
123
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Posted - 2015.03.25 04:39:51 -
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It doesn't matter any more who started it. Pointing fingers and playing the blame-game amounts to little more than school yard children crying to the teacher that 'Billy pulled my hair first' as an excuse for why one started throwing rocks. There are grievances on both sides, and blood that will never wash away. What is important is that we look beyond the pain, beyond the hate, and find a way to peacefully resolve our differences. The Caldari and Gallente people are brothers and sisters alike. We share common heritage and it is not right that we should fight like this.
PS: Horflimathien wrote:Xadiran wrote:Why were the stations shields down? Nyx fuel can't melt Caldari steel beams.
Fredfredbug4 wrote: Reactor fuel can't melt Tritanium beams!
Ooooh you went there. You went there. I can feel my individual brain cells committing suicide, one after the other. Ooooh the pain is real. The pain is real. The stupid! The stupid, it burns! |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
366
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Posted - 2015.03.25 04:45:41 -
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Kel hound wrote:It doesn't matter any more who started it. Pointing fingers and playing the blame-game amounts to little more than school yard children crying to the teacher that 'Billy pulled my hair first' as an excuse for why one started throwing rocks. There are grievances on both sides, and blood that will never wash away. What is important is that we look beyond the pain, beyond the hate, and find a way to peacefully resolve our differences. The Caldari and Gallente people are brothers and sisters alike. We share common heritage and it is not right that we should fight like this. PS: Horflimathien wrote:Xadiran wrote:Why were the stations shields down? Nyx fuel can't melt Caldari steel beams. Fredfredbug4 wrote: Reactor fuel can't melt Tritanium beams!
Ooooh you went there. You went there. I can feel my individual brain cells committing suicide, one after the other. Ooooh the pain is real. The pain is real. The stupid! The stupid, it burns!
I say, we should put all the blame on The Head of Security rather than The Broker for Malkaven. Station shields integrity and maintenance is HIS responsibility, after all.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force The Kadeshi
2383
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Posted - 2015.03.25 05:48:56 -
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Kel hound wrote:It doesn't matter any more who started it. Pointing fingers and playing the blame-game amounts to little more than school yard children crying to the teacher that 'Billy pulled my hair first' as an excuse for why one started throwing rocks. There are grievances on both sides, and blood that will never wash away. What is important is that we look beyond the pain, beyond the hate, and find a way to peacefully resolve our differences. The Caldari and Gallente people are brothers and sisters alike. We share common heritage and it is not right that we should fight like this. PS: Horflimathien wrote:Xadiran wrote:Why were the stations shields down? Nyx fuel can't melt Caldari steel beams. Fredfredbug4 wrote: Reactor fuel can't melt Tritanium beams!
Ooooh you went there. You went there. I can feel my individual brain cells committing suicide, one after the other. Ooooh the pain is real. The pain is real. The stupid! The stupid, it burns!
What's stupid? That the Jovians orchestrated the Malkalen disaster? Lets look at the facts.
> Malkalen > Malkalen rhymes with Pitchmen > Pitchmen are involved in business > Business > The Caldari love business > Caldari > Caldari rhymes with Calamari > Caldari has seven letters. Calamari has eight letters > 8+7=15 > There were fifteen furriers killed in the Malkalen Disaster > What does this have to do with the Jove? I'm glad you asked!
> Amarrians like furriers > Amarrians like the Empress > Does this mean that the Empress is a furrier in disguise? > Yes! > In fact, the whole Amarrian royal family are furriers. > The Amarrians once fought the Jovians > This means that furriers once fought the Jovians > We're getting close. We just need to use maths.
> Furrier has 7 letters. > Jovians has 7 letters > 7 x 7 = 49 > Malkalen has 8 letters > 49- 8= 41 > 41 rhymes with hot buns > hot has 3 letters > Pod has 3 letters > Jovians made the Pod.
We now know that Malkalen= Jovians CONFIRMED
Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
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Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.25 05:49:14 -
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What's the point in reopening this old wound Pilot Kim?
In all honesty there's been plenty of blood on both Federal and State hands over the years. Looking backwards and attempting to assign blame will not help the cause of peace. It's time to move forward by finding areas of agreement and cooperation where possible and attempt to build some semblance of trust.
Of course, I don't get the feeling that peace and cooperation is what you desire. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
366
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Posted - 2015.03.25 06:40:02 -
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Nick Bete wrote:What's the point in reopening this old wound Pilot Kim?
In all honesty there's been plenty of blood on both Federal and State hands over the years. Looking backwards and attempting to assign blame will not help the cause of peace. It's time to move forward by finding areas of agreement and cooperation where possible and attempt to build some semblance of trust.
Of course, I don't get the feeling that peace and cooperation is what you desire.
I think the wounds, on her part, didn't even heal, and continues to bleed (probably because she kept picking the scabs). That or she has it in her best interest to keep the war going because, well, it really doesn't look like she's suited to life of peace. What else can she do, but shoot those she consider her enemies? If the war between the Caldari and the Gallente ends with the extermination of all Gallente, then Minmatar, and possibly Amarr as well, what's left for her? Can you imagine her being in a corporate office filling up purchase orders?
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Kel hound
The Desolate Order Brave Collective
123
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Posted - 2015.03.25 10:23:55 -
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Nick Bete wrote:In all honesty there's been plenty of blood on both Federal and State hands over the years. Looking backwards and attempting to assign blame will not help the cause of peace. It's time to move forward by finding areas of agreement and cooperation where possible and attempt to build some semblance of trust.
I agree completely. Trust is something earned, and earning trust cannot be done through times of war. These petty proxy wars over border disputes only serve to hurt those who live there, using us capsulers as the weapon of choice. It needs to stop.
Elmund Egivand wrote: If the war between the Caldari and the Gallente ends with the extermination of all Gallente, then Minmatar, and possibly Amarr as well, what's left for her? Can you imagine her being in a corporate office filling up purchase orders?
Sleepers? Pirates? Political dissidents? In any case I am quite certain that if she were reassigned to a desk job that it would be the most efficiently run desk in the State.
Fredfredbug4 wrote:[ Space madness Lots of space madness
We now know that Malkalen= Jovians CONFIRMED
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