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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.18 11:37:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 18/10/2006 11:38:52
The war continues, but things have calmed a bit. We're in the proverbial 'eye of the storm'. IĘd liken the situation as being similar to a pair of lions crouched on opposite sides of a slain zebra, each thinking the same thing: öHow can I kill this other damn lion?ö
IĘm currently writing up the events of the past weekend in a War Story format that I hope to post by the end of the week. A lack of time is one factor; the other is that I find myself going back and re-writing small bits in order to ensure accuracy. ItĘs not an easy task as there were so many elements involved.
Of course, the question begs to be asked: what's next? At the moment, that decision is out of my hands. I await word from our client(s) as to if we are to be allowed to evolve this war to the next level. IĘve been authorized to say that, thus far, our contract has been very open-ended. If this war continues, I suspect that our focus will tighten and things will escalate a bit.
For now, IĘd like to take a moment to congratulate IAC for being such excellent opponents so far. For the first time in recent memory, we have an enemy whose morale and determination seems to match our own. You ignore the carnage inflicted upon you and keep coming. You press the advantage when you have it and stand fast even when the odds turn against you. You have not folded, but called in friends to assist you. To their credit, mainly AXE and CVA, those friends have dug in and defended your ground as if it were their own. Likewise, FIX and KIA have been great to work with from our side.
I think I can say that it has been exciting, frustrating and educational for all involved. Conflict breeds innovation and fires the imagination. I can think of no contract the MC has taken on that has dominated our thoughts and planning in the way this one has. EVE hasnĘt been this much fun for me personally in a long time.
This kind of thing is why I keep playing the game.  -
Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters? |

Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.18 11:39:00 -
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Exciting !
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Hyllekjeks
The SMITE Brotherhood
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Posted - 2006.10.18 11:58:00 -
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Nice to see that not everyone fall for mc. Gj to both sides. 
I mean there is a fun in beeing hated, it puts a fire in your ass and it gets ******* boring to be loved by everyone |

DHB FooFighter
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.18 12:01:00 -
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Yarr

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Purvy
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.18 12:05:00 -
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bah! i was hoping for a more entertaining thread to start off the morning with 
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Muadeeb Ousil
Minmatar Office linebackers Blood of the Innocents
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Posted - 2006.10.18 12:16:00 -
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Foo you can't say Yarrrr...
Thats my job

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Del369
Caldari Office linebackers Blood of the Innocents
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Posted - 2006.10.18 12:20:00 -
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Class post Seleene, However i must say I do feel sorry for your Client(s) (soon to be known as the mark)   So uhh, how much will it cost to have them uhhh shooty shooty'd ???  Sorry i digress, good post, looking forward to the write up.
I want to die quietly in my sleep just like my dear old grandma, and not screaming in terror like her passengers!! |

Silvestri
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.18 12:22:00 -
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Is your client happy so far with the results? That you can tell us w/out giving them away....and you guys are one hell of a lion btw....nice post..
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Sivona
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.18 12:26:00 -
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Sel is goign to get sacked one day for doing more eve-o than work at work 
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Latex Mistress
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.18 12:33:00 -
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I've been in BDCI for 2.5 years now, and I don't think I've ever had such a slugfest w/ an opponent... kudo's to IAC and friends!
I do wish it were a little more civil on the forums, but that's expected. Anyway, great job to everyone and here's to some solid fun in the future!
LM
Latex Mistresss: bringing truth to the truculent one post at a time
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Jouni Kalmar
Gallente Meow co. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.18 12:44:00 -
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Firstly i like the post, nice analogy on the lions, so true :-)
This is just my oppinion so don't take this the wrong way, but i don't know that 'the eye of the storm' would be an accurate title, as i can see the strom will be going well after mc pull out, if that happens, or at the very least longer than MC + friends want to indicate, good pew pew thus far :-)
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.18 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 18/10/2006 12:46:39
Originally by: Silvestri Is your client happy so far with the results? That you can tell us w/out giving them away....and you guys are one hell of a lion btw....nice post..
Our client is fairly surprised and quite pleased at the path we've chosen in this contract. We could have kept capital ships out of it and just shot the constellation up a bit. However, we saw this as a chance to test ourselves and also give IAC a bit more to think about than the standard raids they are used to.
I'll brave the trolls and be honest and admit that very little has gone the way I expected. On one hand, I never dreamed of the number of kills we'd be sitting at in less than two weeks. However that's a direct result of IAC fighting so hard to keep their land. Tactically, MC and our allies have done extremely well.
On the other hand, I expected that we would have kept control of the G-7 outpost or, at the very least, managed to plant a POS in one of the outpost systems. While the node crashes and lag have certainly played a factor in this, the main deterrent has been IAC's allies showing up in such numbers when the POS's came out of reinforced mode. So, strategically, we expected to be in a better position at this point.
The above highlights some very interesting facts about the current state of EVE warfare in that when one goes to war these days, you can be dominant in one area yet stonewalled in another.
Many argue this as the "blob factor". It's true, the enemy numbers have kept us from achieving some of our goals. It's something we will have to adapt for and address should this campaign continue, but that's what we're paid for. 
Originally by: Sivona Sel is goign to get sacked one day for doing more eve-o than work at work 
As would most of this community, including those who actually work for CCP, I'd imagine. 
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Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters? |

maGz
The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.18 12:50:00 -
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Nice post mate. Looking forward to the next war story  ____________
The Priory Killboard |

Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.18 13:03:00 -
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Sporadically dominant on the field at best
NPCer/miner BS account for a lot of kills, the "idiot civilian factor" does give you quite a decent kill ratio, but you can't claim to be consistently dominant in the military engagements.
That aside you seem to be changing your tune here a bit. Did your employer not specify taking our Outpost as part of the contract ? From what you're saying here you just tried taking it and selling it for 5 billion on a whim and to test yourselves, not because your employer listed it as part of the contract.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.18 13:20:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 18/10/2006 13:21:16
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Sporadically dominant on the field at best
NPCer/miner BS account for a lot of kills, the "idiot civilian factor" does give you quite a decent kill ratio, but you can't claim to be consistently dominant in the military engagements.
Actually I can and I will claim exactly that. For you to deny it would be akin to ASCN trying to say that BoB is just ganking their "idiot civilians" as well.
Do the "idiot civilians" include the fleets you have been a part of in the past two weeks as well? Because those are the people I've been shooting - the ones flying next to YOU in fleets that YOU are in. TBH, I find it extraordinarily degrading that you would refer to the people who you are flying with in such a way. It would almost seem as if we have more respect for them than yourself.
Almost every kill I've made in the past two weeks has been part of a main fleet engagement against equal or greater numbers. These fights aren't taking places in asteroid belts or outside complexes; they are happening at gates, on stations and near POS's.
I've given your alliance the respect it's earned and deserves. Why don't you try to do the same (such as many in your alliance) instead of downplaying things every chance you get? -
Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters? |

tigress
Gallente Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.18 13:24:00 -
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Nice post, let's see what is coming shall we? :)
Ps. Who is the employer? gimme the third letter in name! :)
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.18 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: tigress Nice post, let's see what is coming shall we? :)
Ps. Who is the employer? gimme the third letter in name! :)
T 
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maGz
The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.18 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Originally by: tigress Nice post, let's see what is coming shall we? :)
Ps. Who is the employer? gimme the third letter in name! :)
T 
OMG IT'S BOB!!!!
PS. Dyslexia 4tw  ____________
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Sivona
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.18 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Originally by: tigress Nice post, let's see what is coming shall we? :)
Ps. Who is the employer? gimme the third letter in name! :)
T 
Cyvok's 3rd letter is V. Nub.
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n sx
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.18 13:32:00 -
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I would like to thank Seleene for what can generally be taken as true statement.
There are always going to be small instances that either side focus on to fuel their argument however I feel that those are merely a waste of everyone's breath. I too have generally been unimpressed with some posts from both sides of the fence and hope that we can all just show some restraint.
It has been a true lesson to fight against MC, and a true honour to fly with IAC and our allies in the face of what some would deem one of EVE's greatest adversities.
I eagerly await further developments in this contract from MC's perspective as we need to plan our next sidestep or head-on collision .
EVE's never felt like such a chore, but one that I have loved every minute of. I tip my hat to all that have been involved thus far.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.18 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 18/10/2006 13:21:16
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Sporadically dominant on the field at best
NPCer/miner BS account for a lot of kills, the "idiot civilian factor" does give you quite a decent kill ratio, but you can't claim to be consistently dominant in the military engagements.
Actually I can and I will claim exactly that. For you to deny it would be akin to ASCN trying to say that BoB is just ganking their "idiot civilians" as well.
Do the "idiot civilians" include the fleets you have been a part of in the past two weeks as well? Because those are the people I've been shooting - the ones flying next to YOU in fleets that YOU are in. TBH, I find it extraordinarily degrading that you would refer to the people who you are flying with in such a way. It would almost seem as if we have more respect for them than yourself.
Almost every kill I've made in the past two weeks has been part of a main fleet engagement against equal or greater numbers. These fights aren't taking places in asteroid belts or outside complexes; they are happening at gates, on stations and near POS's.
I've given your alliance the respect it's earned and deserves. Why don't you try to do the same (such as many in your alliance) instead of downplaying things every chance you get?
The idiot civilians would be the ones you catch NPCing or mining in battleships, aren't in gang and serve only to pad your stats 
Monday morning ops ended with 40 BS losses and 11 BS kills on your side. How can you then claim to have been consistently dominating in the military engagements ? Only when you add in all the civilians you catch not paying attention to local while they're carebearing do you come up with any ratio to be proud of.
BTW, I edited my post a little bit before your reply 
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.18 13:37:00 -
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Tyrrax seriously look at the KB I would say 90% of your BS losses are from fleet action and not ganking miners/npcers in belts.
So to be honest you saying most of our kills are miners/npcers explains why most of your alliance pvp corps left when you think of them like that.
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.18 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Monday morning ops ended with 40 BS losses and 11 BS kills on your side. How can you then claim to have been consistently dominating in the military engagements ? Only when you add in all the civilians you catch not paying attention to local while they're carebearing do you come up with any ratio to be proud of.
BTW, I edited my post a little bit before your reply 
Yup Monday we got our butts handed to us, well done guys, how did the other fleet battles go? To claim all the other losses IAC and allies have suffered are down to them being NPCers and not in gang is to belittle those in gangs loosing their ships and isn't very fair to those pilots.
IAC lost a good number of ships and have adapted and got a good result on Monday, your pilots have done well to do so especially as a lot of targets do not continue to fight after a few fleet battle losses.
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maGz
The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.18 13:41:00 -
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Tyrrax - I do believe you'll find most of our NPC/Miner losses have been to KIA and not MC.
All - Noooo I don't want to smack/troll again so keep it cool  ____________
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.18 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: maGz
Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Originally by: tigress Nice post, let's see what is coming shall we? :)
Ps. Who is the employer? gimme the third letter in name! :)
T 
OMG IT'S BOB!!!!
PS. Dyslexia 4tw 
Well techincally "Brother" has a T in it maybe I can't count 
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.18 13:53:00 -
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In the only Fleet action i was a "part" of IAC lost only 6 BS to 36 killed AXE lost 5 BS but we had sepearte gangs :). This was the monday morning fight btw.
The "idiot civilian population" know who they are and well tbh i think every alliance has the problem of people assuming things, such as its safe to rat in a warzone . Remeber when you assume you make an Ass out of U and ME :).
Anyways, heres looking to more fleet fights and less node crashes :)

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n sx
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.18 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Traxio Nacho
So to be honest you saying most of our kills are miners/npcers explains why most of your alliance pvp corps left when you think of them like that.
Traxio, without you actually having intimate knowledge of why any/some/none of our 'pvp' corps left us, I ask you to retract that statement. I am happy to speak with you in-game to clarify but a broad statement like that is truly just flamebait.
What Tyrrax MEANS to say, without being a dork is that IAC is an alliance that encourages freespace access for its members and its friends. In that regard we attract a playerbase that's not necessarily dedicated to the PVP cause and suffer from an acute lack of common sense in the midst of a warzone. Point at killboards all we like, but your pilots did refer to 'remedying a 10 bs deficit' which I can assure you many were the NPC pilots. Alliance leadership can issue as many directives and orders as we choose, some people ignore them and as a result it pads your kill/death ratios.
I am the first to admit IAC DOES take heavy losses in the fleet battles, but it's to be expected against a drilled and practiced opponent. We've only had one engagement where MC/KIA suffered more losses than us, and it's as a result of the continual practice and refined leadership that only experience can offer.
I would also like to add that I sat back this week and wondered, "If all this is over, what do I want from EVE now?" The last two weeks have been nothing short of amazing, and I do wonder what will provide the same level of excitement in the future . Don't get me wrong, I'm expecting this to continue for quite some time, I was just thinking hehe.
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.18 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: maGz Tyrrax - I do believe you'll find most of our NPC/Miner losses have been to KIA and not MC.
All - Noooo I don't want to smack/troll again so keep it cool 
It's a bit hard to seperate the three mercs right now (KIA/FiX/MC). Someone get's killed by any one of the three, either "THE MERCS KILLED ME" or "MC KILLED ME" will apply.
Like it or not, Sel gets to represent the other two as well.
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.18 14:04:00 -
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Quote: Traxio, without you actually having intimate knowledge of why any/some/none of our 'pvp' corps left us, I ask you to retract that statement. I am happy to speak with you in-game to clarify but a broad statement like that is truly just flamebait.
I have done to save this thread from turning the wrong way I suggest you remove my quote from your text.
However I do have certain knowledge of some corps.
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n sx
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.18 14:05:00 -
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Edited by: n sx on 18/10/2006 14:05:07 *ergh double post ftl*
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