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Posted - 2006.10.20 06:50:00 -
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 Originally by: evistin
This will go on with and without the approval and knowledge of the respective leadership. No one alliance is 100% clean, in this respect. Right or wrong it will happen, you must defend yourself against such things thats all.
Agreed.
But somehow BoB keeps denying it happened on their turf as well, immediately screeming for proof. Thats just silly or being plain naive. Same goes for calling whiners sore loosers.
If someone was banned its impossible to proof it since its not allowed to talk about it.
Yet we all know some cases that leaked from GM or friends of banned people who knew what happened. Yet BoB seems to put so much effort in denying all of this that makes one wonder why. |
fuze
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Posted - 2006.10.20 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Hast
And you can get nebba to dig up the xirt soundboard aswell 
I know it. I've been around. Seen things and heard things.
'there is always deniability' is engraved in the back of my head.
Something tells me you guys remember this too.  |
fuze
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Posted - 2006.10.21 14:58:00 -
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Ingame spying is part of the game mechanics.
It's nasty but its even mentioned on the orginal CD box so I guess CCP intended to be part of the game from day 1. And you're not forced to play this game, and you're not even forced to play a certain style in this game. But since its a MMO game you're dealing with other people who have their view on how they play the game combined with CCP enforcing the EULA you agree with when you pay for playing the game.
Using spying on TS server is something else. Its a OOC mechanism that can be used as an addition for in game mechanism. If you combine it with another OOC mechanism like having multiple accounts the sum of both would be accessing TS with a 2nd account for aiding a prime account would be an OOC and outgame advantage at first sight. It still could work as a IOC mechanism if the 2nd account would receive payments from the prime for its spying activities. Just see it like a special type of mercenary thats paid for snooping in the ennemys camp.
Giving username/password for accessing TS server would be totally not done and should be regarded as social engineering form of hacking. People who are caught doing this should be subjected for a harassment petition IMHO. And even be subjected for legal actions due to hacking the TS server.
Same goes for recording the TS conversations and spreading them. There is no in game mechanism for sharing those recordings so there is no conceivable way of a spy handing it over to its contractor.
There was some point about this that legally its allowed by the british telecommunication law but at this I beg to differ since the access to the TS server was given to someone who lied about its intensions.
To use a written transcript preferrably by the spy and given in game to its contractor would be valid for other use on forums etc.
Problem is that in the past those TS recordings were spreaded and even used in frapsed video's. Still I think anyone who's offended by someone else whos posting TS recordings should have the right to seek legal actions for having him/her stop doing this. Not when it comes to written transcripts of these.
To people who's obsession with proof this could be a problem because others could claim the proof was fabricated. Only a few realize that with some advanced tooling you can fabricate TS recordings as well. Same goes for frapsed video. So effectively any TS recording or frapsed video isn't actually 100% proof as well.
Still that's just a price that has to be paid for the fact that you want to stay true to the game and its mechanics on how to present your spying results to the public.
This matter will change though when ingame chatting comes available though. Then ingame chatting is become an ingame mechanic which is linked to the logged in character. There still isn't a way to share recordings ingame though. But that's the same for frapsed videos. (would make lag even worse as well) |
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Posted - 2006.10.21 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Nira Li
If you are a football fan you should know that every team have their own spies that can get info on the other teams players and tactics etc.
Don't be silly. Eve isn't a multi-billion industry like football is.
Rod's comparison of poker comes a bit closer but only when it for fun and not large sums.
We all play Eve for fun, some might be more serious and really like to win but in the end you've just won some online computergame. With football and poker if you're good enough you can earn enough money for the rest of your life. So stakes are considerable higher. Just look at the italian scandal that went on. And do you think that Cally can retire in RL? I don't think so.
My oppinion would be that TS spying is a close call but you cannot give account details to others as well as using recordings. With ingame VOIP its impossible to share account details due to the EULA restricting it and recordings are directly related to the game. |
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