From best to worst


Rev / moros---nag-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Phoenix

With the recent hybrid changes i think the rev and moros are now pretty equal if dropped in nice and close for some face melting the nag is genrally semi decent though i wish ccp would just give it 3 guns and the flying turd is still a flying turd.

too lazy too check myself, but can the nag hit a large pos with it's XL ACs?

and i've always heard the Phx was next to worthless compared to the other dreads for a long time now without any real explaination. someone please care to enlighten me on the detailed reasons? thanks

flight time

This is a good reason, but does not really sum it up. You know how everyone bitches about SCs and titans speed tanking dreads up close? Well, at full speed, a super at any range will take about half damage from a phoenix. However, should the titan be in your face (4 km), the phoenix will do half damage and the moros / rev / nag guns will hardly hit at all in siege. IMHO, Citadel torps and cruise could double (or at least add 50% to) the explosion velocity and not be OP, given exactly how huge the explosion radius is on those missiles. Hell, double velocity, add 25% to expl radius.

You really have no idea how the titans huge sig radius works, dreads get a 8-16x modifier on tracking vs a titan which makes it impossible for them to speed tank more then a little bit of the damage and this is at extreme close range at max speed.

This also applies to missiles who gets a bonus, cut from wiki: "If your missile hits a target whose signature radius is greater then the explosion radius of your missile then the explosion velocity of your missile is increased by the same multiple"

I added a Naglfar's values against a fully buffed erebus to my spreadsheet about speed tanking, check it out https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Av6bUJhtOy5qdHhLdFNpd0tFZE5jVkY3V3UxTFlfRnc

Nag should be the best cause it SHOULD have a) the most DPS, and B) the least reliability on cap.

But nooooo. Moros hits harder as a shield or armour tanked Dread.

Nag should be the best cause it SHOULD have a) the most DPS, and B) the least reliability on cap.

But nooooo. Moros hits harder as a shield or armour tanked Dread.

Rev. Because reloading is for the losing side.

It all depends upon which battle you are in. Assuming a spending cap of 2.5 billion:


If you're afk shooting a POS (but those who do that in dreads often find themselves with lossmails) the Rev is the thing for you.

The Phoenix provides an extremely robust platform. It deals 11.3k dps out to 55k+, burst tanks 63k+ with 3m EHP. The downside is that in some engagements your targets can speed tank you, but for shooting fortified POS'es and bashing in triaged carriers it's perfect.

The Shield Moros manages a whooping 15.1k dps out to 21+31, burst tanks 39k on 2m EHP. It can switch to longer ranged ammo as well.

The Nalgfar tanks the same as the Moros with similar EHP, but "only" deals 11.5k dps, with 20+48 range on the AC AA EMP.


So Moros/Phoenix >>> Nalgfar/Revelation.

And if you have to ask about the relevance of burst tanks you need to get out and fly combat fleets with these before trolling on the forums

Side note, I live in w-space, and Bhaalgorns are very common in the fleet setups that we run into. Neuting is a must because of mass limitations. As such, dreads that still shoot with no cap have a certain potency. Also, phoenix can't hit BS for **** under most / all circumstances. Any ship with guns can take advantage of someone who screws up and gets low angular velocity.

Why would your dreads be shooting sub-caps and not the triaged Archon keeping their Bhaalgorn alive? Even with complete neut failure on your side (i.e. their triaged archon doesn't get neuted at all) 3 proper dreads plus support (40k dps total) will overpower a triaged Archon before it exits and can be capped up by it's buddy, and if it doesn't have a buddy the fight is over. This of course requires that you know when he enters a cycle, so you're not giving him that vital minute.

Now granted I don't know how wormhole mechanics affect that calculation, but it works for us in low-sec.

2. Sometimes they will bring about 7 guardians (many not shown) and no triage carrier because the lasttwo times they brought a triage carrier the fight did not go so well for them. Also, these guys.

some good looking results there, especially the first. As someone who follows w-space though, what about fights like this. Are there not enough dreads or is it not enough webbing?

The new dreads do look p awesome in wh space though.

Do large weapon rigs work on XL turrets?