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Captin ShadowHawk Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.19 07:42:00 - [1] What system would you buy? I am old enough to remember Beta-max vs VHS, beta-max actually had a better quality picture but that didn't save it. This was very bad since my dad bought a beta-max system
solidshot Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.10.19 07:45:00 - [2] at the minute hd probably has the better chance as i believe they are around half the price of blue ray?
Aeon Jonas Caldari The Caldari Confederation	Posted - 2006.10.19 09:42:00 - [3] I think and hope Blu-Ray. Simply because it does have more backing and some better companies. HD-DVD you have to buy an extra drive for your XBOX 360 but with the Playstation 3 there is an in built Blu-Ray drive. THis is going to catapult Blu-Ray sales. Also I think BLu-Ray fits more on it. But, there is a new disc which can hold both formats one on each layer this would mean any one of the players i think can play it or you get a combo player.
evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.19 10:07:00 - [4] Online-credit card Transaction only sucessful when a Certain industry took part. VHS was only sucessful when a Certain industry took part. DVD was only sucessful when a Certain industry took part. And I honsetly think this certain industry, which supports Blue-ray, will make it the winner. ----------- Management and Leadership û The Eve-online Guide
digital0verdose Caldari Ships Unlimited	Posted - 2006.10.19 11:46:00 - [5] This is a moot point. One of the big guys, Panasonic, Phillips, etc. have created a player that will play both. -------------------------------------- http://digitalsdomain.spaces.live.com/ <--- Check it out. Latest Update: "The Departed" and something no Nintendo fan should be without.
Dahin Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.19 14:41:00 - [6] This reminds me of the 56k modem protocols. The tech is there but it can't be effectively used by people because of the clash of the wallets and the e-peens.
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2006.10.19 15:06:00 - [7] Originally by: Aeon Jonas HD-DVD you have to buy an extra drive for your XBOX 360 but with the Playstation 3 there is an in built Blu-Ray drive. That would be pretty reliant on Sony actually managing to get the PS3 off the ground... ...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative.
KingsGambit Caldari Knights	Posted - 2006.10.19 16:49:00 - [8] I personally will most likely go the way of HD in the distant future if/when it becomes commonplace. It is backwards compatible with DVD, available on the XBox360 (though I don't know how if it doesn't have an HDMI connector...) and theoretically cheaper than Blu-Ray. Saying that, despite my personal preference and hopes, Blu-Ray has more big names backing it, including Philips who tend to almost always falls on the winning side in past tech wars. Also Blu-Ray holds more data, and so is likely to be the more popular choice for data storage in the IT marketplace. Combined with the PS3 which is going to sell, despite it's frankly ludicrous price tag, I fear the big S is gonna win this one, even though I really hope they don't and will not be buying any of the products. I think for HD-DVD to win out, Toshiba and their pundits need to push the fact it's cheaper and backward compatible to the extreme. XBox360 is out now, PS3 isn't, if they can get HD-DVD players available and marketed now, they'll win without a fight. By the time Blu-Ray players come out, they'll be more expensive and many people will already have bought their HD-DVD equipment and won't buy again. I read that most Hollywood studios are backing HD, but with Sony, Philips and Samsung behind Blu-Ray it'll be anybody's guess. ------------- My T2 Shop
digital0verdose Caldari Ships Unlimited	Posted - 2006.10.19 17:12:00 - [9] Originally by: Twilight Moon Originally by: Aeon Jonas HD-DVD you have to buy an extra drive for your XBOX 360 but with the Playstation 3 there is an in built Blu-Ray drive. That would be pretty reliant on Sony actually managing to get the PS3 off the ground... You are also comparing a $600 product to a $400 product. And I'm sure a lot of people are in the "I'll believe it when I see it" boat like Moon mentioned. -------------------------------------- http://digitalsdomain.spaces.live.com/ <--- Check it out. Latest Update: "The Departed" and something no Nintendo fan should be without.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.10.19 17:42:00 - [10] im going to wait and see because atm both of the new formats offer nothing to me that DVD cant allready do for cheaper.
Candy Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2006.10.19 17:44:00 - [11] Originally by: Aeon Jonas I think and hope Blu-Ray. Simply because it does have more backing and some better companies. HD-DVD you have to buy an extra drive for your XBOX 360 but with the Playstation 3 there is an in built Blu-Ray drive. THis is going to catapult Blu-Ray sales. Also I think BLu-Ray fits more on it. But, there is a new disc which can hold both formats one on each layer this would mean any one of the players i think can play it or you get a combo player. Xbox 360 Core System: 299.00 Xbox 360 External HD-DVD Drive Attachment: 199.00 Total: $500.00 Playstation 3 'Core' System w/ Blu Ray Player: $500.00 I'm sorry, where is the benefit here price wise? Also, You can expect at least 1 major studio to drop support for Blu Ray by this holiday season (I can't say which one) due to issues with disc replication. If Blu Ray wins, Microsoft can sell an external Blu Ray player for the 360. If HD-DVD wins, which is entirely likely considering it has more titles, cheaper players, and a simpler interactivity framework, what can you do with the PS3. Sony has made no announcement stating that they'd make an HD-DVD player should the format win, whereas Microsoft has. ------------------------------------
Candy Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2006.10.19 17:57:00 - [12] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker im going to wait and see because atm both of the new formats offer nothing to me that DVD cant allready do for cheaper. I assume you mean besides 6x the picture resolution, lossless high definition audio, picture in picture, simultaneous video and menus, and 3x the disk space for higher bitrates and more special features? ------------------------------------
digital0verdose Caldari Ships Unlimited	Posted - 2006.10.19 18:37:00 - [13] Originally by: Candy Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker im going to wait and see because atm both of the new formats offer nothing to me that DVD cant allready do for cheaper. I assume you mean besides 6x the picture resolution, lossless high definition audio, picture in picture, simultaneous video and menus, and 3x the disk space for higher bitrates and more special features? With fuzzy math, you can add all of that up and actualy get -2. -------------------------------------- http://digitalsdomain.spaces.live.com/ <--- Check it out. Latest Update: "The Departed" and something no Nintendo fan should be without.
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.19 19:06:00 - [14] Edited by: Grimpak on 19/10/2006 19:07:05 well... from what I read it goes smth like this: HD-DVD is easier and cheaper to produce, but it has not as much quality/capacity as blu-ray. blu-ray is the opposite: bit harder and more expensive to produce, but larger medium with better quality. however I'm guessing that it will be blu-ray that will win. ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
El Berto Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.20 10:37:00 - [15] Originally by: evistin Online-credit card Transaction only sucessful when a Certain industry took part. VHS was only sucessful when a Certain industry took part. DVD was only sucessful when a Certain industry took part. And I honsetly think this certain industry, which supports Blue-ray, will make it the winner. QFT... TBH, I wonder how much this will matter in the long term, downloading with no physical media format intergral is obviously going to be the conclusion of this rather large ****storm.
Valrandir Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.20 15:25:00 - [16] BlueRay is a superior technologie with much more storage capacity and better performances. HD-DVD is retarded. -------------------------------- This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware.
KingsGambit Caldari Knights	Posted - 2006.10.20 16:24:00 - [17] Originally by: Valrandir BlueRay is a superior technologie with much more storage capacity and better performances. HD-DVD is retarded. Your argument is very compelling and the points you raise are truly thought provoking. I don't know how you manage to put forward your views so elloquently but you've won me over! PS. Have you considered applying for work within Sony's marketing department? ------------- My T2 Shop
Frezik Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap	Posted - 2006.10.20 16:49:00 - [18] For now, neither. I don't have an HD TV, and don't plan to for several months at least. The new formats offer me nothing. If you do have HD TV, the new formats still might offer you nothing. Many of the movies that have been shot digitally over the past few years weren't shot at a high enough resolution to take advantage of HD. For them, DVD is almost as good as it gets, and will remain that way forever unless someone reshoots the entire movie. There is also a shortage of laser diodes for the new formats. Sony is one of the major maunfacturers of the diodes, and they're keeping most of the diodes to themselves for the PS3. Which means that there will be a limited offering of players this chrismas season, and the PS3 has been further pushed back in Europe. It's entirely possible, perhaps even likely, that both formats will go the way of laserdisc, and people with HD TVs will put up with the quality of DVDs, just as they put up with the quality of VHS. Given that DVDs aren't so horrendously poor quality as VHS was, this isn't even such a bad choice. This whole issue is Sony's game to lose. Their games division was their biggest money maker, but the R&D costs of the PS3 hit them hard, and they'll have to really squeeze to get that money back. It's not enough for the PS3 to do "pretty good"--they need another massive success. Even with a massive success, the intial cost of selling the consoles (at a loss, you'll recall) may lower their cash reserves enough to make the vunerable to hostile takeover. Sony Games has a lot riding on the success of the PS3. Sony Pictures has a lot riding on the success of new video formats (so they can charge people again for movies they already have on DVD). Sony Electronics has a lot riding on the success of Blu-ray specifically (since Sony has rejected HD-DVD already, and margins on DVD players are non-existant). All these things need to come together or Sony is screwed.
Laythun Undercover Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 17:48:00 - [19] Originally by: Frezik Their games division was their biggest money maker, but the R&D costs of the PS3 hit them hard, and they'll have to really squeeze to get that money back. It's not enough for the PS3 to do "pretty good"--they need another massive success. Even with a massive success, the intial cost of selling the consoles (at a loss, you'll recall) may lower their cash reserves enough to make the vunerable to hostile takeover. Sony Games has a lot riding on the success of the PS3. Sony Pictures has a lot riding on the success of new video formats (so they can charge people again for movies they already have on DVD). Sony Electronics has a lot riding on the success of Blu-ray specifically (since Sony has rejected HD-DVD already, and margins on DVD players are non-existant). All these things need to come together or Sony is screwed. Incredibly narrow view of Sony and quite laughable. Proud Member of the Anti Whine 14
digital0verdose Caldari Ships Unlimited	Posted - 2006.10.20 17:50:00 - [20] Originally by: KingsGambit Originally by: Valrandir BlueRay is a superior technologie with much more storage capacity and better performances. HD-DVD is retarded. Your argument is very compelling and the points you raise are truly thought provoking. I don't know how you manage to put forward your views so elloquently but you've won me over! PS. Have you considered applying for work within Sony's marketing department? Nice. In any case it will all depend on how the industry goes. Beta was a much better quality than VHS but look who won. Part of the reason for this is because Sony had to grant rights for every video to be recorded onto Beta. They wouldn't allow certain films to berecorded onto their medium but VHS had no such policies. -------------------------------------- http://digitalsdomain.spaces.live.com/ <--- Check it out. Latest Update: "The Departed" and something no Nintendo fan should be without.
Dhaeron Lhun	Posted - 2006.10.20 18:52:00 - [21] My money is on blu-ray. Because of two reasons: a) There are at least as many big companies backing blu-ray as there are HD-DVD. HD-DVD does not have a decisive upper hand yet. and b) The PS3 will give blu-ray the upper hand. Even if the PS3 sells incredibly poorly. Say, a third as many as the PS2, this will put many, many more blu-ray players in peoples homes than there are HD-DVD players. Sure, you can get a HD-DVD player for the Xbox. But for that people need to buy one again, in essence a HD-DVD player for 200$. That applies only to people who want a next-gen player. While once the PS3 is out, everyone who has a PS3 can buy and watch blu-ray videos without spending any money on a player.
Tarquin Tarquinius Gallente Etruscan Kings	Posted - 2006.10.20 18:56:00 - [22] Originally by: evistin Online-credit card Transaction only sucessful when a Certain industry took part. VHS was only sucessful when a Certain industry took part. DVD was only sucessful when a Certain industry took part. And I honsetly think this certain industry, which supports Blue-ray, will make it the winner. QFT Where the adult film industry goes, the rest of the film industry follows. I think, historically, the best system has won every time, and Blu-Ray is the better system. ----- insert sig here 0.0 System Renaming?
Beef Hardslab	Posted - 2006.10.20 19:30:00 - [23] Edited by: Beef Hardslab on 20/10/2006 19:30:55 Edited by: Beef Hardslab on 20/10/2006 19:30:43 I don't know about you guys, but I for one will pass on the high-def adult films, thank you very much. I like both formats, for different reasons, but I hope HD-DVD pulls ahead... mainly because I hope Sony dies in a fire.
digital0verdose Caldari Ships Unlimited	Posted - 2006.10.20 19:34:00 - [24] Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius Originally by: evistin Online-credit card Transaction only sucessful when a Certain industry took part. VHS was only sucessful when a Certain industry took part. DVD was only sucessful when a Certain industry took part. And I honsetly think this certain industry, which supports Blue-ray, will make it the winner. QFT Where the adult film industry goes, the rest of the film industry follows. I think, historically, the best system has won every time, and Blu-Ray is the better system. Wrong, Beta is much better quality than VHS. -------------------------------------- http://digitalsdomain.spaces.live.com/ <--- Check it out. Latest Update: "The Departed" and something no Nintendo fan should be without.
Tarquin Tarquinius Gallente Etruscan Kings	Posted - 2006.10.20 19:43:00 - [25] Originally by: digital0verdose Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius I think, historically, the best system has won every time, and Blu-Ray is the better system. Wrong, Beta is much better quality than VHS. It was a better quality, but VHS was better overall. ----- insert sig here 0.0 System Renaming?
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics	Posted - 2006.10.20 22:59:00 - [26] Wave of the future... When did it ever sell Popular culture is where it's at... cdi's, video cd's.... never happened till they put name on it everybody grew too.. Dvd's..... These stupid little give and takes of hd and blueray... means absolutely nothing... Mass, the comon folk.. they make it... not the tech heads that know any difference. Argue away...... both are doomed... maybe hd... just because they whack that label on everything... Masses, the common folk will reconise it... works ______
Kurren Farscape Mining	Posted - 2006.10.21 01:27:00 - [27] Correction... I think you meant: Waist of money vs. another waist of money --- --- --- --- My Sig Is Not Too Big...
Maria Ravenwind Gallente Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.21 06:19:00 - [28] It's only a matter of time till one takes enough market share to make the other obsolete. In my opinion, HD-DVD will win. Why? Well, the guys at Blu-Ray had a great idea and wanted to dramatically increase the capacity of thier discs. While this is always something good, what they did to accomplish it had endangered their product. They significantly reduced the size of the dots on the discs and thus also the size of the laser. By doing this they made more space (37 gb i believe? Versus HD-DVD's 24 gb. Please correct me if I'm wrong.). But by reducing the size of the dots and the laser, they have made them much much more susepitble to damage. The discs are much easier to make unplayable by getting dirty. It is also more difficult to getthem clean, as the dots are so small that most cleaning solutions do not evaporate fully, leaving the disc dirtier. There were also rumors that Blu-Ray was considering putting their discs in cartridges to keep them same. But market research showed that people perceive discs in cartridges as old technology, making them less likely to purchase them. Also (yet another rumor) it has been heard that the Blu-Ray players are nearly impossible to realign. So, apparently, if they get jostled the right way, it's a gonner. But most of this is hearsay. As a custom home theater installer, I like them both. Still haven't gotten the online content to work completely properly on either of the players though. I think they all need new software. Although supposedly Pioneer Elite's new player (scheduled for a mid-November release) will utilize the online features flawlessly. It doesn't matter which is better anyway, I'm just gonna buy one of these. I hate my Exclamation mark! I Am No Alt.
Tunajuice	Posted - 2006.10.21 08:14:00 - [29] Your explanation of dots and cleaning solution has no basis in reality. Try again.
Mallick	Posted - 2006.10.21 11:23:00 - [30] Isnt Microsoft backing HD-DVD? Are they not the biggest and most influent company around? And really, the difference between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray is NOT that big!

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