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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
new order logistics CODE.
94
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Posted - 2015.03.28 13:03:26 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:I always get a sad when someone tells me to go to null or low if I want to pvp. I grew up in high sec. I live there. I kill there. I die there. I don't see how pvp in any one sector of space is any more or less valid than another. They just are different with different nuances attached. Sour grapes seems to be a recurring thing. Were I to suicide gank, people would berate me for attacking defenseless haulers and miners. Mission flipping, I'm a bad person because I took my pvp frigate against their pve battleship and that's not FAIR. If I go to null then I'm a blobber or F1 monkey. And so on and so forth. So long as someone is exploding what is the real problem? Blood makes the grass grow.
This is normal. |
Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
167
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Posted - 2015.03.29 08:29:26 -
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:I've got a feeling (and a number of forum posts here only reaffirm it) that the inhabitants of other regions in EVE tend to look down on all highsec dwellers, both carebears and those who bother them. It seems that it's become a conventional wisdom that it's lowsec, null, and W-space that are are the places where one can find real content and those fabled "goodfites" everyone is talking about. As for highsec (except for RvB, arguably), there's nothing but griefers, merc slapfights, and cheap drama there, so anyone who's looking for real PvP should immediately leave highsec. .
Very true. I wish I had stopped reading here so I wasn't bothered with drivel about how challenging it is to run a disposable ganking alt. |
Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
167
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Posted - 2015.03.29 08:43:17 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:I always get a sad when someone tells me to go to null or low if I want to pvp. I grew up in high sec. I live there. I kill there. I die there. I don't see how pvp in any one sector of space is any more or less valid than another. They just are different with different nuances attached. Sour grapes seems to be a recurring thing. Were I to suicide gank, people would berate me for attacking defenseless haulers and miners. Mission flipping, I'm a bad person because I took my pvp frigate against their pve battleship and that's not FAIR. If I go to null then I'm a blobber or F1 monkey. And so on and so forth. So long as someone is exploding what is the real problem? Blood makes the grass grow.
It comes down to what you want to get out of the game. I derive no satisfaction from getting kills with a blob or gatecamping. It can be funny, but it's not really satisfying. There's no skill involved.
Frankly, 99% of the skill involved in mission baiting, is patience. You have to be willing to spend a significant bit of time and effort to get someone to aggress. Once they do, they're just dead in almost every case. I do have more respect for someone that does it solo because there is at least a minimal risk with a 50M ISK ship on the line. As opposed to playing the game of alts to reduce your effective risk to zero.
Ganking on the other hand, is just a math problem. You use a dedicated character for it so going -10 provides no consequence at all. 2 weeks to train a basic cat pilot, do math, drop out of warp on afktard, press f1. Nothing to it.
Doesn't compare to the glory of honorable frigate warfare, blasters at high noon against an opponent of equal or greater calibre. It's not too late for you to find redemption in the cleansing fires of Black Rise. |
Dsparil
Einstein-Rosen Frontier Holdings Hell's Pirates
10
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Posted - 2015.03.30 02:43:10 -
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote: Lotsa very relevant ****...
You sir nailed it pretty good. That's exactly how I feel. There is no truly safe place in this game. PERIOD. The risk factory is what brings the content. |
Dsparil
Einstein-Rosen Frontier Holdings Hell's Pirates
10
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Posted - 2015.03.30 02:44:00 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:I've got a feeling (and a number of forum posts here only reaffirm it) that the inhabitants of other regions in EVE tend to look down on all highsec dwellers, both carebears and those who bother them. It seems that it's become a conventional wisdom that it's lowsec, null, and W-space that are are the places where one can find real content and those fabled "goodfites" everyone is talking about. As for highsec (except for RvB, arguably), there's nothing but griefers, merc slapfights, and cheap drama there, so anyone who's looking for real PvP should immediately leave highsec. . Very true. I wish I had stopped reading here so I wasn't bothered with drivel about how challenging it is to run a disposable ganking alt.
oh you poor child, are those tears I'm seeing? |
Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
167
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Posted - 2015.03.30 04:15:48 -
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Dsparil wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:I've got a feeling (and a number of forum posts here only reaffirm it) that the inhabitants of other regions in EVE tend to look down on all highsec dwellers, both carebears and those who bother them. It seems that it's become a conventional wisdom that it's lowsec, null, and W-space that are are the places where one can find real content and those fabled "goodfites" everyone is talking about. As for highsec (except for RvB, arguably), there's nothing but griefers, merc slapfights, and cheap drama there, so anyone who's looking for real PvP should immediately leave highsec. . Very true. I wish I had stopped reading here so I wasn't bothered with drivel about how challenging it is to run a disposable ganking alt. oh you poor child, are those tears I'm seeing?
Nah mate. Just perfectly formed droplets of pure truth.
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Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1207
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Posted - 2015.03.30 08:13:35 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:I always get a sad when someone tells me to go to null or low if I want to pvp. I grew up in high sec. I live there. I kill there. I die there. I don't see how pvp in any one sector of space is any more or less valid than another. They just are different with different nuances attached. Sour grapes seems to be a recurring thing. Were I to suicide gank, people would berate me for attacking defenseless haulers and miners. Mission flipping, I'm a bad person because I took my pvp frigate against their pve battleship and that's not FAIR. If I go to null then I'm a blobber or F1 monkey. And so on and so forth. So long as someone is exploding what is the real problem? Blood makes the grass grow. It comes down to what you want to get out of the game. .
Very true. I wish I had stopped reading here so I wasn't bothered with drivel about how challenging it is to fly a frigate or something.
droplets of pure truth, how droll... If it looks and tastes like tears, hmmm... salty.
D.
STOP OPPRESSING MEEEEEEE
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
168
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Posted - 2015.03.30 09:01:38 -
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Danalee wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:I always get a sad when someone tells me to go to null or low if I want to pvp. I grew up in high sec. I live there. I kill there. I die there. I don't see how pvp in any one sector of space is any more or less valid than another. They just are different with different nuances attached. Sour grapes seems to be a recurring thing. Were I to suicide gank, people would berate me for attacking defenseless haulers and miners. Mission flipping, I'm a bad person because I took my pvp frigate against their pve battleship and that's not FAIR. If I go to null then I'm a blobber or F1 monkey. And so on and so forth. So long as someone is exploding what is the real problem? Blood makes the grass grow. It comes down to what you want to get out of the game. . Very true. I wish I had stopped reading here so I wasn't bothered with drivel about how challenging it is to fly a frigate or something. droplets of pure truth, how droll... If it looks and tastes like tears, hmmm... salty. D.
I would love to see you try and solo in an unlinked frigate in FW space. It's harder than sitting on the 4-4 undock with a dozen of your buddies and neutral logi in station, for damn sure.
How is 4-4 tonight anyway? Any good scams? Or are you banished to Amarr?
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Tear Jar
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
339
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Posted - 2015.03.30 10:10:48 -
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:I've got a feeling (and a number of forum posts here only reaffirm it) that the inhabitants of other regions in EVE tend to look down on all highsec dwellers, both carebears and those who bother them. It seems that it's become a conventional wisdom that it's lowsec, null, and W-space that are are the places where one can find real content and those fabled "goodfites" everyone is talking about. As for highsec (except for RvB, arguably), there's nothing but griefers, merc slapfights, and cheap drama there, so anyone who's looking for real PvP should immediately leave highsec.
The problem with this attitude is that it reflects the reality only partially, if at all. In fact, highsec has become, by far, the only place where there's a real distinction between the "good guys" and the "bad guys". I believe, this has been caused by two main factors:
1. The rest of the inhabited space is no man's land where, like in DayZ, every stranger is automatically perceived as an enemy who wants to shoot you in the face just for the fun of it. As i like to say, there are no "good guys" in lowsec, and there are no "bad guys" in nullsec. 2. The absence of supreme (and omnipotent) law enforcement elements makes "criminal activity" in low and null devoid of its original meaning and removes the factor of consequences for "criminals".
Examples? Sure, there are plenty. Let's say, you've tackled an expensive ship in a PvP region and are offering to let it go for a ransom. The victim has transferred the money to you, but you are still free to blow him up anyway for the sake of the loot and tears. The only repercussion you can expect is a sec status drop if you've done it in lowsec. Otherwise, you have zero to no incentive to let the victim go. That's why lowsec piracy is dead: no one in their sound mind will pay ransoms to those who've tackled them.
Now, let's imagine that I'm bumping a freighter in highsec. I convo the pilot and give him a choice: pay a ransom or get ganked. The victim calculates his risks and pays me a handsome sum of money. And now I have a real choice before me, and to let the freighter go is, surprisingly, the easy option here. If I want to gank him, I need to have a stash of ganking gear nearby (which costs a lot of money) and a company of friends available for a fleet. I have to continually bump the target to prevent him from warping off and have an aggressor close at hand in case he logs off. Plus, there's a pretty high chance that a company of anti-gankers will warp in to provide logi support to the freighter or even gank my bumping Mach! If I don't have the necessary manpower, I can still hyperdunk him (provided that I have the gear, of course), but this venture is even more dangerous.
This is the main problem of the entire dispute here. Highsec provides the kind of game mechanics and meta which are simply not present in the rest of the universe. The criminals here are offered real choices with real risks, consequences, and rewards. To tell a highsec hooligan to fit a bunch of cheap T1 frigates and destroyers and go have some PvP in low would be the same thing as telling him to go play Counter-Strike or Call of Duty: sure, it's a nice, action-packed kind of gameplay, but with hardly any financial or social consequences.
Ganking is attractive because it lets players actually make a difference. Highsec is a ptarget rich environment and I have noticed a big change in behavior after ganking a new area for a few weeks.
I think this is the biggest motivation for telling us to go to low/null as well. If all the gankers go to null, then the miners can go back to afk mining in yield fit ships.
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Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1207
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Posted - 2015.03.30 11:15:25 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Danalee wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:I always get a sad when someone tells me to go to null or low if I want to pvp. I grew up in high sec. I live there. I kill there. I die there. I don't see how pvp in any one sector of space is any more or less valid than another. They just are different with different nuances attached. Sour grapes seems to be a recurring thing. Were I to suicide gank, people would berate me for attacking defenseless haulers and miners. Mission flipping, I'm a bad person because I took my pvp frigate against their pve battleship and that's not FAIR. If I go to null then I'm a blobber or F1 monkey. And so on and so forth. So long as someone is exploding what is the real problem? Blood makes the grass grow. It comes down to what you want to get out of the game. . Very true. I wish I had stopped reading here so I wasn't bothered with drivel about how challenging it is to fly a frigate or something. droplets of pure truth, how droll... If it looks and tastes like tears, hmmm... salty. I would love to see you try and solo in an unlinked frigate in FW space. It's harder than sitting on the 4-4 undock with a dozen of your buddies and neutral logi in station, for damn sure. How is 4-4 tonight anyway? Any good scams? Or are you banished to Amarr? And I mean that in the nicest way possible. I hope a wartarget in a pve fit blingboat is lumbering towards your trade hub even now.
Just because you are bad at something doesn't make it hard. Quite the contrary really. And I wouldn't know how Jita looks, I'm not a one trick pony - I might add as opposed to you but that's a given- Danalee has been around the block baby.
D.
STOP OPPRESSING MEEEEEEE
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
906
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Posted - 2015.03.30 15:01:27 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Capt Sephiroth wrote:But fozzie talked about it in the interview :( He sure did. I am hopeful that I simply missed it...
Black legion. ?? I hope you got hacked, someone deleted all your assets and signed you up with them just to make you look bad. It's the only happy scenario I can come up with.
Leto.... What have you done??
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Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
1050
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Posted - 2015.03.30 18:20:50 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:I always get a sad when someone tells me to go to null or low if I want to pvp. I grew up in high sec. I live there. I kill there. I die there. I don't see how pvp in any one sector of space is any more or less valid than another. They just are different with different nuances attached. Sour grapes seems to be a recurring thing. Were I to suicide gank, people would berate me for attacking defenseless haulers and miners. Mission flipping, I'm a bad person because I took my pvp frigate against their pve battleship and that's not FAIR. If I go to null then I'm a blobber or F1 monkey. And so on and so forth. So long as someone is exploding what is the real problem? Blood makes the grass grow.
Don't forget the stereotype that low sec pirates are worth less than the scum on your boot. And FW guys only PVP to make money. Everyone has things to say about groups that don't do what THEY want to do. There's content in all areas of space, anyone who doesn't see that hasn't looked hard enough. And there's a big difference between not looking, and having looked and not found what they were looking for. |
Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
1050
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Posted - 2015.03.30 18:24:44 -
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:*Words of Wisdom*
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
887
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Posted - 2015.03.30 23:14:48 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:I've got a feeling (and a number of forum posts here only reaffirm it) that the inhabitants of other regions in EVE tend to look down on all highsec dwellers, both carebears and those who bother them. It seems that it's become a conventional wisdom that it's lowsec, null, and W-space that are are the places where one can find real content and those fabled "goodfites" everyone is talking about. As for highsec (except for RvB, arguably), there's nothing but griefers, merc slapfights, and cheap drama there, so anyone who's looking for real PvP should immediately leave highsec. . Very true. I wish I had stopped reading here so I wasn't bothered with drivel about how challenging it is to run a disposable ganking alt. Ganking alts are the only non disposable alts because it is not allowed to biomass a char with negative sec status. And why should someone biomass his ganking toon? I mean i'm a ganker, i'm -10 and I am totaly happy with that, because it is fun to play eve that way. I mean when I look at your killboard, THAT is a reason for biomassing his toon.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Heiian Conglomerate
1405
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Posted - 2015.03.31 02:11:50 -
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The TL;DR version of this entire thread is:
OP wants High Sec to be everything Low Sec already is but won't move to Low Sec because low sec targets shoot back.
https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
565
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Posted - 2015.03.31 04:32:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:The TL;DR version of this entire thread is:
OP wants High Sec to be everything Low Sec already is but won't move to Low Sec because low sec targets shoot back.
+1 |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4933
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Posted - 2015.03.31 04:55:58 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:The TL;DR version of this entire thread is:
OP wants High Sec to be everything Low Sec already is but won't move to Low Sec because low sec targets shoot back.
I'd rather live in lowsec than high, but lowsec is too empty. Something to do with 'optimal' (i.e. L4 blitzing in marauders, or incursions in shiny boats) highsec PVE being higher reward and lower risk than 'optimal' (i.e. L4 blitzing in MWD/cloak equipped HACs or T3s, or incursions in cheapfit tech 1 hulls) lowsec PVE.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Heiian Conglomerate
1405
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Posted - 2015.03.31 05:32:09 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:The TL;DR version of this entire thread is:
OP wants High Sec to be everything Low Sec already is but won't move to Low Sec because low sec targets shoot back.
I'd rather live in lowsec than high, but lowsec is too empty. Something to do with 'optimal' (i.e. L4 blitzing in marauders, or incursions in shiny boats) highsec PVE being higher reward and lower risk than 'optimal' (i.e. L4 blitzing in MWD/cloak equipped HACs or T3s, or incursions in cheapfit tech 1 hulls) lowsec PVE.
CODE have a different goal to what the OP is wanting - You guys are usually happy enforcing the CODE and don't pretend to want PvP.
(Loyal would occasionally leeroy a few ships into us in Rakapas when he wanted proper PvP after a hard day of enforcing the CODE)
The OP is basically saying he wants PvP content to happen via PvE. All he has to do is run sites in Low Sec and he will have his wish.
Oh yeah.... Hope your BDay night out was fun after you left the Melb meet up.
https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4935
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Posted - 2015.03.31 06:42:03 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:The TL;DR version of this entire thread is:
OP wants High Sec to be everything Low Sec already is but won't move to Low Sec because low sec targets shoot back.
I'd rather live in lowsec than high, but lowsec is too empty. Something to do with 'optimal' (i.e. L4 blitzing in marauders, or incursions in shiny boats) highsec PVE being higher reward and lower risk than 'optimal' (i.e. L4 blitzing in MWD/cloak equipped HACs or T3s, or incursions in cheapfit tech 1 hulls) lowsec PVE. CODE have a different goal to what the OP is wanting - You guys are usually happy enforcing the CODE and don't pretend to want PvP. (Loyal would occasionally leeroy a few ships into us in Rakapas when he wanted proper PvP after a hard day of enforcing the CODE) The OP is basically saying he wants PvP content to happen via PvE. All he has to do is run sites in Low Sec and he will have his wish. Oh yeah.... Hope your BDay night out was fun after you left the Melb meet up.
We do have a wardeccing wing in CODE., although it's a work in progress. Shooting people that shoot back is definitely part of what we do.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
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Mobadder Thworst
RainRunners
174
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Posted - 2015.03.31 15:26:24 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:The TL;DR version of this entire thread is:
OP wants High Sec to be everything Low Sec already is but won't move to Low Sec because low sec targets shoot back.
This is all a misunderstanding really.
You want to play Eve like counter strike. Pew pew action and camaraderie. I think that's cool.
However, I want to play eve like Grand Theft auto. I want police chases, crime, theft, mayhem, etc...
There are no place or law abiding citizens in low sec, so it's just counter strike. I like counter strike, but I love the depth of GTA.
Does that make me risk averse? Not in my mind.
I bet you will be more right if you are more disrespectful. I'm pretty sure that's how it works. |
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2577
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Posted - 2015.03.31 15:33:21 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Shooting people that shoot back is definitely part of what we do.
Not to mention that everyone *can* shoot back, it's just some prefer to do so by crying on the forum.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
A recent survey of applicants to CODE. corporations showed that 100% accepted James 315 as their saviour. You can't argue with facts.
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Mobadder Thworst
RainRunners
177
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Posted - 2015.03.31 23:21:36 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:The TL;DR version of this entire thread is:
OP wants High Sec to be everything Low Sec already is but won't move to Low Sec because low sec targets shoot back.
+1
Veers, Just try it. Just let me teach you, you don't even have to fight anyone.
Think of the good you could do... Mo |
Kaely Tanniss
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
312
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Posted - 2015.04.01 01:07:49 -
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Mobadder Thworst wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:The TL;DR version of this entire thread is:
OP wants High Sec to be everything Low Sec already is but won't move to Low Sec because low sec targets shoot back.
+1 Veers, Just try it. Just let me teach you, you don't even have to fight anyone. Think of the good you could do... Mo
As much as it would be good for him Mo, I'm afraid you are wasting your breath. He is too set in his mentality to see beyond what he believes. It's a shame really. Once he saw the light and all that could be if he just opened that door...he would find a whole new world of understanding of what Eve is all about. He'd probably be good at it too...but I guess we, or he, will never know.
If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
566
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Posted - 2015.04.01 03:18:38 -
[114] - Quote
Mobadder Thworst wrote:
Veers, Just try it. Just let me teach you, you don't even have to fight anyone.
Think of the good you could do... Mo
If I wanted to shoot people, I'd go to nullsec. |
Mobadder Thworst
RainRunners
180
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Posted - 2015.04.01 03:52:36 -
[115] - Quote
Veers Belvar wrote:Mobadder Thworst wrote:
Veers, Just try it. Just let me teach you, you don't even have to fight anyone.
Think of the good you could do... Mo
If I wanted to shoot people, I'd go to nullsec.
Veers, I'm not offering to help you shoot people... But I am offering you my time. I don't understand what about that makes you angry.
I'm offering to teach you how to fight well. Even if it only comes into play when someone is ganking you, it's good to know.
You don't have to shoot anyone to have a firm command of maneuver and damage mechanics. There are tricks I could show you that, to me are valuable for station games... But would be just as effective at helping a miner prevent ganks.
Just so you know, even in the large merc corps, only about 10% of the players have really solid command of what I teach.
In my opinion, that's value. I've fought a little of everything and I can tell you that nobody will be able to push you around once you learn what I teach.
Why it angers you that I'd offer you something like this baffles me.
I'm trying to invest in you... If you looked at my tutorial, it's all about helping other players. Mo |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
566
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Posted - 2015.04.01 03:55:18 -
[116] - Quote
Mobadder Thworst wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Mobadder Thworst wrote:
Veers, Just try it. Just let me teach you, you don't even have to fight anyone.
Think of the good you could do... Mo
If I wanted to shoot people, I'd go to nullsec. Veers, I'm not offering to help you shoot people... But I am offering you my time. I don't understand what about that makes you angry. I'm offering to teach you how to fight well. Even if it only comes into play when someone is ganking you, it's good to know. You don't have to shoot anyone to have a firm command of maneuver and damage mechanics. There are tricks I could show you that, to me are valuable for station games... But would be just as effective at helping a miner prevent ganks. Just so you know, even in the large merc corps, only about 10% of the players have really solid command of what I teach. In my opinion, that's value. I've fought a little of everything and I can tell you that nobody will be able to push you around once you learn what I teach. Why it angers you that I'd offer you something like this baffles me. I'm trying to invest in you... If you looked at my tutorial, it's all about helping other players. Mo
Angry? No, just not interested. I'd rather do collaborative PvE than shoot at people. Most of the PvP players end up socially dysfunctiona; like the Goons. |
Mobadder Thworst
RainRunners
180
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Posted - 2015.04.01 04:25:58 -
[117] - Quote
Ok, well damage and maneuver mechanics are just as applicable in PVE.
Let's collaborate on PVE, like you said. Mo |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1477
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Posted - 2015.04.01 06:59:33 -
[118] - Quote
Think you may be wasting your time here Mo. I admire your tenacity and compassion in this matter, but I can also understand Veers' hesitancy. Aside from being terribly set in his ways and opinions when it comes to PVP in the game he also has two very rational fears that are standing in the way of any kind of educational and collaborative effort between the two of you.
The first is that over the course of many months he's managed to alienate, annoy and otherwise irritate a vast number of people with his unrelenting avalanche of 'pvp bad!' shiptoasts... and as such he fears, and rightly so that he may become the victim of some kind of high security space hate crime if he ventures out into the deep black with a scary pvp person. While there are few of his fans that could be bothered to get out of their chair to hunt him down, there are many who would likely pay a fair sum of ISK for his frozen corpse.
The second, of course, is that he might actually have fun. I'm pretty sure this is even scarier to him than the first reason. The blow this would deal to his worldview could have dire consequences as he tries to reconcile his beliefs against what he was experiencing. No, I think he's pot committed to his stance. If you have any success with him then good job, you're a more patient man than I.
I keep a thoughtgun next to the bed, fully loaded with nerdshot. Just in case.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
172
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Posted - 2015.04.01 07:16:00 -
[119] - Quote
Mobadder Thworst wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:The TL;DR version of this entire thread is:
OP wants High Sec to be everything Low Sec already is but won't move to Low Sec because low sec targets shoot back.
This is all a misunderstanding really. You want to play Eve like counter strike. Pew pew action and camaraderie. I think that's cool. However, I want to play eve like Grand Theft auto. I want police chases, crime, theft, mayhem, etc... There are no police or law abiding citizens in low sec, so it's just counter strike. I like counter strike, but I love the depth of GTA. You can't have crime in counter strike because you expect everyone to shoot at you. Does that make me risk averse? Not in my mind. It just makes me someone who likes GTA... Which was popular enough to be called normal. Why be so mean about it?
Highsec pvp is 99% baby seal clubbing. You know it. Counterstrike comparison is bad. Lowsec/nullsec pvp has just as much opportunity for meta gaming and mischief, the exception being that your opponents will be far more savvy on and off the field.
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Demerius Xenocratus
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:I've got a feeling (and a number of forum posts here only reaffirm it) that the inhabitants of other regions in EVE tend to look down on all highsec dwellers, both carebears and those who bother them. It seems that it's become a conventional wisdom that it's lowsec, null, and W-space that are are the places where one can find real content and those fabled "goodfites" everyone is talking about. As for highsec (except for RvB, arguably), there's nothing but griefers, merc slapfights, and cheap drama there, so anyone who's looking for real PvP should immediately leave highsec. . Very true. I wish I had stopped reading here so I wasn't bothered with drivel about how challenging it is to run a disposable ganking alt. Ganking alts are the only non disposable alts because it is not allowed to biomass a char with negative sec status. And why should someone biomass his ganking toon? I mean i'm a ganker, i'm -10 and I am totaly happy with that, because it is fun to play eve that way. I mean when I look at your killboard, THAT is a reason for biomassing his toon.
Ganking alts are dedicated to one purpose; you incur no real penalty for being -10 aside from losing a ganking ship and an empty pod. You use other characters/accounts when you want/need to do something else. There is no skill to ganking beyond basic knowledge of crimewatch. It's just a math problem. You don't have to actually fly your ship.
I didn't claim to be a pvp all star, but if I only fought with a blob or 3 logi alts to back me up I could do a pretty good imitation of one. There's got to be more to this game than being 1 of 10 or 100 involved parties for every kill. |
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