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Suze'Rain
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Posted - 2006.10.22 16:42:00 -
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"it's here, it's in, get used to it"
direct quote from David Gardiner, VP of Electronic Arts. Monday, 21st of August, EIEF convention, edinburgh.
he went on to discuss context-sensitive placement. for instance in something like "need for speed" or a GTA type game, with real-world placement to create life. he did however stress that they'd firmly oppose blatant placement (ie, Ubi Soft's ramming down your throats in Splinter Cell of "airwaves" chewing gum) or inappropriate placement, ie, a 15th century fantasy setting with "ye olde coke-cola".
Live with it. development costs are so high now, developers are being forced to consider such deals, just to help recoup the costs.
of course, when BF2142 also contains Spyware to track your web browsing habits to tailor ads to your interests, I definately won't live with it...
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Futuri
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2006.10.22 16:50:00 -
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No adware please.
I prefer to see ads for Quafe :)
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Firequill
Gallente The Black Ops Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.22 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Eldo Davip I think Oveur even mentioned it at some point that they are not going to allow out of game advertising within Eve. It came in a EON Issue too.
HOORAY for sane people!
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Ariel Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.22 17:03:00 -
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Whats all the fuss about? The world is full of advertisements and putting them in game isn't something shocking. Tons of people starting playing EVE thanks to their free trial advertisements that were placed on many popular websites. If you look to your right, you can see an advertisement for the EON Magazine.
But in game!? Now thats outrageous. Lets all break out our pens and write angry letters to EA/Evil gaming company of the day, for I'm of a such weak mental state that I cannot tolerate advertisements despite the fact that I'm already completely surrounded by them no matter where I am. Durr!
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Futuri
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2006.10.22 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: Futuri on 22/10/2006 17:05:59
Originally by: Ariel Dawn Whats all the fuss about? The world is full of advertisements and putting them in game isn't something shocking. Tons of people starting playing EVE thanks to their free trial advertisements that were placed on many popular websites. If you look to your right, you can see an advertisement for the EON Magazine.
But in game!? Now thats outrageous. Lets all break out our pens and write angry letters to EA/Evil gaming company of the day, for I'm of a such weak mental state that I cannot tolerate advertisements despite the fact that I'm already completely surrounded by them no matter where I am. Durr!
MMos are supposed to be an escape from reality. Seeing ads for real world companies ruins the effect.
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Savio
Caldari Atomic Heroes Forces of Freedom
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Posted - 2006.10.22 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: Savio on 22/10/2006 17:16:10 If they put the adverts ingame so it fit the game i think it will only add atsmofear.. ofcource things can be overdone.. but what if some adverts were shown on the billboards?
also could be cool if corps could pay isk to get a advert on the billboards ingame...
ofcource i wouldent allow any kind of spyware like there were in the new battlefield game...
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Leverton
Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.22 18:06:00 -
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If they do it and people still play the game, then they should do it.
If enough people don't like if and refuse to play the game, it won't be profitable, and they'll stop doing it. -- The universe is governed by the aggressive use of force. Hows this for a little note! Oh, and YARRRRR!! - Petwraith I prefer the term RAWR - Xorus |
Henry Loenwind
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Posted - 2006.10.22 18:36:00 -
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I think we need to cut this discussion into 2 parts: first the advertising itself and second the "feedback" or "statistics". I will comment on the first only.
Many people are saying they will either pay and have not ads, or have ads and expect the game to be free. Sounds good, doesn't it? But let's replace "game" with "DVD". All DVDs I bought have ads on them. But I never heard anyone saying they want to get these DVDs for free because there are ads on them. Same for magazines, newspapers and many books. Even my pay-tv channels have ads between movies and those movies contain product placement advertising.
So what is the big difference with games?
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Enotz
Amarr Terminus Est Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.10.22 18:37:00 -
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As long as they're not stupid/obstructions, and they go towards making the game cheaper or more playable instead of just padding pocket books, I don't mind.
Actually, I wonder if CCP could make MORE money by adding billboards around stations and gates, making them bigger, advertising out of game things, and then removing the cost to play. It would be interesting, more players on a high quality free MMO, and ad revenue...
Short of that, I think CCP should just put more billboards outside stations and gates, and let corps/people advertise as an isk sink. 10mil for a slot in the rotation where Quafe normally is would be fair, and you could change it up some...have a bounty slot where people could advertise the latest person they want dead, etc :D
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Veroon Coch
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Posted - 2006.10.22 19:06:00 -
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Ads in a game are one thing, spyware is another and not just should it not be allowed in a purchased product, the people trying to push it should be dealt with in an suitable fashion. Never being allowed to work with software releases being the least of it!
Criminally hijacking a service I pay for is something I truely feel needs to be dealt with as the crime it is, not by handing out slaps on the wrist!
Guess I wont be buying off EA anytime soon!
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Krulla
Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Black Reign Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.22 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ariel Dawn But in game!? Now thats outrageous. Lets all break out our pens and write angry letters to EA/Evil gaming company of the day, for I'm of a such weak mental state that I cannot tolerate advertisements despite the fact that I'm already completely surrounded by them no matter where I am. Durr!
The big fuss is not really the advertisements themselves, but the fact that BF2142 contains spyware. It tracks the pages you visit, how long you play the game, etc. Also, think about it. You're on the battlefield of the year 2142, 136 years from now, and civilisation is on the bring of collapse due to a ice age... you look to your right and see... a billboard advertising a new show on the Sci-Fi channel? Wtf? Talk about immersion breaking.
Also, think about it. You already pay 50$ for the damn game. You shouldn't have to pay for it additionally with ads. If the game was free, sure, I'd have no problem with it, but we already payed our dues.
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Mal Loc
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Posted - 2006.10.22 22:21:00 -
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I think in game ads are great if they can be made opt-in.
If someone chooses to display advertisements in their game they should get a slightly reduced monthly fee. For those who don't want to view ads they opt-out and pay slightly more.
Peronally, I have no problems with ads and I think the tie in to the real world would be sort of interesting. I think if it makes money for the game company, and saves me a bit of money, I'm all for it.
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anyname isfine
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Posted - 2006.10.22 23:12:00 -
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Is this planned for Eve? If not why the anger?
For the record I changed my mind about getting BF2142 after seeing the plans to include tracking software, but that has nothing to do with Eve.
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Zing Ashuwanik
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Posted - 2006.10.23 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Leverton If they do it and people still play the game, then they should do it.
If enough people don't like if and refuse to play the game, it won't be profitable, and they'll stop doing it.
The people who leave because of that decision are unlikely to come back when the advertising is taken out.
The willingness to do it suggests something about a company, and people who object to it won't want to continue to patronize such a company.
Whether I would leave a game that I am presently enjoying over it, I'm not sure. But it would be a point against buying a new game.
Spyware on the other hand? I'd not only leave, I'd rant and rave like a madman. If the EULA at the time of signing was not air-tight, I'd go so far as to file suit. Useless, but a clear message.
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FunctionX
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Posted - 2006.10.23 03:05:00 -
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Edited by: FunctionX on 23/10/2006 03:06:04 Just because advertising aggressively (see: harassment) is still legal certainly does not make it right. I don't think the devs here are stupid enough to do this. |
MurderCityDevil
HariKari And Combines
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Posted - 2006.10.23 03:27:00 -
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Would you like to supersize your fries with your McEve?
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Explorati
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Posted - 2006.10.23 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: Suze'Rain
of course, when BF2142 also contains Spyware to track your web browsing habits to tailor ads to your interests, I definately won't live with it...
AFAIK the program does NOT track browser info, or computing habits, i belive this was stated by a DICE developer on thier boards, go there and find the post as im sick of finding it for others.
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.10.23 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Explorati AFAIK the program does NOT track browser info, or computing habits.....
Yet..
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Xs 142
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Posted - 2006.10.23 11:06:00 -
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If they remove the monthly costs, I'll gladly have Coke on my bulletinboards...
Originally by: Oveur Eternally yours, The other dumbass
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darklegionca
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Posted - 2006.10.23 11:09:00 -
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its funny i was just thinking someone would be posting about in game ads when bf2142 comes out and sure enough here we have a thread about it unless ccp sells out to ea you people have nothing to worry about enough said ------------------------------------ darklegionca - One name. One legend. |
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Marshy 3rd
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Posted - 2006.10.23 11:37:00 -
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Spywhere is sually in programs you download for free but if they put it in a product your buying then surely this is a breach of your human rights to privacy and as such could be taken to the european court fo human rights. Just a thought but i could see EA being taken down this road by someone with the means to do it. They are capturing data from your computer and if you have bought the game and paid for it but they wont let you use it till you have signed an agreement to allow spywhere software isnt this also breaking a few laws and denying you the use of a product you have bought and paid for. I assume you would have to open the game to get to the agreement and as such you now cant return the game as it is open and shops wont except it back. just a thought on the legal side of things.
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Roy Batty68
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:31:00 -
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I wouldn't mind tastefully done in game adds if it were to lower or eliminate monthly game cost. If it was just to line the producers pockets even more, yeah... no thanks.
And I'll second the notion: Thank goodness CCP not owned by EA or SONY.
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Ariel Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.23 12:31:00 -
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I'm assuming by everyone's comments that they've never actually purchased or played BF2142. The game comes packaged with information about the advertising program and promts you when installing as well, and it says that if you do not want to have such a program on your computer, do not install the game on a system with internet access.
Secondly, the spaces reserved for the yet to be implemented advertisements are small and unobtrusive in terms of possible ingame impact.
If your mind can't handle more advertisements, don't buy the game. The Battlefield series of games has enough morons playing as it is, but a couple less is a step in the right direction.
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Krulla
Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Black Reign Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.23 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mal Loc I think in game ads are great if they can be made opt-in.
If someone chooses to display advertisements in their game they should get a slightly reduced monthly fee. For those who don't want to view ads they opt-out and pay slightly more.
Peronally, I have no problems with ads and I think the tie in to the real world would be sort of interesting. I think if it makes money for the game company, and saves me a bit of money, I'm all for it.
But that's the thing. They aren't a opt-in. They are just there to line the pockets of rich publishing companies even more. They won't help the developer make money, they will help the publisher make even more money.
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Freelanc3r
Caldari Xoth Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.23 13:40:00 -
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Something about this doesnt sit right with me...
I have no problem with Quafe being advertised, it ads to the realism when it goes to a cheap way to make money exploiting your fans it goes too far. Its hard to find somewhere where companies arnt trying to ram their product down your throught and i would prefer if I didnt have to suffer it while playing EVE too. Its a cheap way to make quick money and despite what the developers say it shows they dont give a flying f*ck about the playerbase or their game.
So far as I know people in Europe dont get the ads, I have played Planetside where there were ads for the Americans but not for Europeans.
The people who do this in game advertising are Massive Inc CLICKEH
Just to give you an idea at the kind of poo they put on their website:
"Massive has served over eleven million game sessions, and the gamer feedback has been overwhelmingly positive.
Extensive research conducted by Massive IncorporatedSM and play testing amongst gamers concluded that over 90% of gamers do not mind advertising in video games."
Im sure I could conduct a similar test with real gamers and I doubt 90% of people would say they love them.
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Temo Jick
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Posted - 2006.10.23 15:09:00 -
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This is how I see it.
1)Advertising is not in and of itself bad. 2)It is the opinion of some of us that most Advertising is bad. (This is because those who advertise have perfected the art of deception which they use not to the benefit of the people but to the benefit to their wallets regardless of the effect upon the people.) 3)It is the opinion of some of us that most advertising is good. (This is because it pays for services to be available to those who would not be able to pay for them themselves.) 4)If computer game publishers introduce advertisements into our games then in a working capitalist world competition will ensure it is the consumers who gain the benefits, be they in the form of cheaper prices or higher qualities. 5)If computer games with advertisements generate more profit then computer games without advertisements there are two possible negative effects upon the games produced. Advertisements could be introduced into genres of game in which they are immersion braking. Genres of game in which advertisements would brake the immersion may simply not be produced.
My personal and admitedly pesemistic opinion, People are stupid. The massess believe what ever advertisers and the media tell them to. Companies which do not introduce advertisements into their games will eventually be pushed out of the market by those who do, as consumers simply will not exercise their right to chose over this sort of issue. I would prefer the quality of games to remain limited by the money that can be generated by their sales alone, but thatĘs just me. Also many people pay for every bit they download and upload to the internet I resent paying for the download of material I do not even want and the upload of material I do not wish to share.
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Arkios Odymei
Caldar Mercenary Syndicate Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.23 17:26:00 -
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People need to stop with the "ZOMG SPYWAREZ!!!" conspiracies about BF2142.
Its already been stated officialy (several times) that the the only information the program gets is your IP to determine your geographical location (so they dont send you Euro-based ads if you are in the USA),and How long and at what angle you view the ads (to judge their effectivenes and to see if you actualy take the time to view it).
It DOES NOT look at, nor does it care at all about: your cookies, your net surfing habits, your Social security number, your stash of horse-****, or who commented on your latest MySpace pic....
In fact it only runs while the game is running, being that it is part of the game itself.
Ive been playing BF2142 for the past few days and I havent noticed any adds at all... and do you know why? Because Im too busy playing the game and NOT LOOKING FOR THEM! Again EA even said that they are being selective on which adds will run and is making sure that they should blend in with the settings of the environment.
If you dont want to play a great game cause you are afraid some company will know all the secretes of the universe that you happen to keep on you computer, than so be it. If you boycott EA because of poor support of other games etc, Then sure, whatever.
All I know is that I'll be having fun playing a great game.
As for Eve, It is a totaly different story. It is set so far into the future (and so far away from our home star system/galaxy) that any ads for modern day merchendise would destroy any sense of Roleplaying. I myself enjoy RP'ing in Eve, and the Eve'verse is far too different from our modern day universe to support modern day ads.
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Miki Fin
Gallente Independant Union of Rangers
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Posted - 2006.10.23 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Arkios Odymei People need to stop with the "ZOMG SPYWAREZ!!!" conspiracies about BF2142.
Its already been stated officialy (several times) that the the only information the program gets is your IP to determine your geographical location (so they dont send you Euro-based ads if you are in the USA),and How long and at what angle you view the ads (to judge their effectivenes and to see if you actualy take the time to view it).
It DOES NOT look at, nor does it care at all about: your cookies, your net surfing habits, your Social security number, your stash of horse-****, or who commented on your latest MySpace pic....
In fact it only runs while the game is running, being that it is part of the game itself.
Ive been playing BF2142 for the past few days and I havent noticed any adds at all... and do you know why? Because Im too busy playing the game and NOT LOOKING FOR THEM! Again EA even said that they are being selective on which adds will run and is making sure that they should blend in with the settings of the environment.
If you dont want to play a great game cause you are afraid some company will know all the secretes of the universe that you happen to keep on you computer, than so be it. If you boycott EA because of poor support of other games etc, Then sure, whatever.
All I know is that I'll be having fun playing a great game.
As for Eve, It is a totaly different story. It is set so far into the future (and so far away from our home star system/galaxy) that any ads for modern day merchendise would destroy any sense of Roleplaying. I myself enjoy RP'ing in Eve, and the Eve'verse is far too different from our modern day universe to support modern day ads.
Agreed. I have yet to see any statements from EA or any other reliable source that proves any website cookies or other personal info will be gathered other than whats officially stated within the 2142 box.
What I'd like to know is how many people that are totally against this sort of thing use explorer, since EA doesnt strike me as a company to target the individual, but instead will aim for the masses.
(Obligatory at this whole silly spyware scaremongering)
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Kylania
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.10.23 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Arkios Odymei It DOES NOT look at, nor does it care at all about: your cookies, your net surfing habits, your Social security number, your stash of horse-****, or who commented on your latest MySpace pic....
What it does do is tie a gamer ID to your CD key, which means they can get your personal information from EA and tie it all together. That's evil. I'll never buy another EA game. (Actually EnB's treatment made that choice for me long ago, but still! :))
In game real life ads = I won't buy it. If the ads were blockable, and exceedingly subtle and resulted in the game being free (you're showing me ads, why the heck am I paying for the game!) maybe, but not $50 for a game AND ads shoved into my brain. -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap | CCG Card Lookup |
Arkios Odymei
Caldar Mercenary Syndicate Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.23 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kylania What it does do is tie a gamer ID to your CD key, which means they can get your personal information from EA and tie it all together. That's evil.
Actualy, according to EA: "A unique ID number is anonymously assigned the first time the player joins a Battlefield 2142 online game. It is stored locally on the PC but is not linked to any personal details."
Even the CEO of IGA (the ad company doing the in game ads in BF2142) states: "It's never, ever user-specific. It's very generic. We report that we served so many ad impressions that were exposed for a certain duration of time at a certain angle and a certain size onscreen. But that's not specific to any unique player."
And as for Originally by: Kylania you're showing me ads, why the heck am I paying for the game!
Well... The IGA CEO says it best: "They (Gamers) want high quality and great game design. Now, a triple-A title for a previous-generation platform could cost up to $10 million to produce, and it would retail for between $50 or $60.
With the next-generation platforms--the PlayStation 3 and the Xbox 360--those development costs for triple-A games are going to go up threefold, potentially up to $30 million in development costs per game. And what I don't see happening is a threefold increase in retail prices to accommodate that. That would not be fair; that would not be realistic. If gamers are to expect a constant flow of high-quality, next-generation games to the marketplace, they have to understand that publishers need to find and develop new revenue streams. In-game advertising is one of those new revenue streams, therefore it's only good for the industry on the whole."
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