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Aterna
Minmatar
M'8'S
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Posted - 2006.10.21 16:39:00 -
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For those of you who don't know, the games Battlefield 2142 and SWAT 4 both rolled out a new form of in-game advertising. This new way to advertise products is rather interesting, but a lot of people think it goes too far, and is only a small distance away from more nefarious means of advertising.
Here's a link to an article that describes the game's advertising process:
Clickety-goodness
I bring this up for two reasons.
1. What do you MMO players feel about this? If you read the article, and thought about it for a little while, you'd think about the next logical (if illegal) step to take would be to read our cookies and see what kind of advertisements we see regularly, and then add them into the game.
2. Has CCP thought about using advertisements in the game? The mechanism to do this is already in place, via Concord Bulletin boards at each gate in empire, and it wouldn't be difficult to display those advertisements at tasteful places elsewhere, like outside of stations, on the sides of stations (there are already neon signs and such), deadspace complexes that include factions stations. I've seen serpentis deadspace complexes with structures that have neon signs and scrolling ads on them already, but they aren't out of game, it's something like quafe, or some generic eve specific Ad.
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Blind Man
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.21 16:45:00 -
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i dont mind it as long as it 'fits' into the setting of the game.
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Robert Dobbs
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.21 16:46:00 -
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I will NOT buy this game because of the ingame advertising, until someone hacks it out.
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Major Stormer
Caldari
Demon Womb
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Posted - 2006.10.21 16:47:00 -
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No ads please. Ive paid for this game ty very much, when i pay for a service i dont expect ads as well.
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Nir
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Posted - 2006.10.21 16:50:00 -
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A while ago Planetside had this - ingame advertisement for Fanta and other companies like Universal and Sony etc.
As far as I know they were removed shortly after they were implemented, for legal reasons.
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Smagd
Encina Technologies
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.10.21 16:52:00 -
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Hmm,
the article details what information about your own reaction to those ads is passed back to the ad servers, which would worry me.
It also details a method to disable the ads, so I'd use that.
No ads, please.
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GeekWarrior
Gallente
Bladerunners
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2006.10.21 16:52:00 -
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 Originally by: Robert Dobbs
I will NOT buy this game because of the ingame advertising, until someone hacks it out.
From the bottom of the article:
Add the following to your hosts file:
127.0.0.1 madserver.net
127.0.0.1 ad.madserver.net
127.0.0.1 imp.madserver.net
127.0.0.1 media.madserver.net
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Aterna
Minmatar
M'8'S
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Posted - 2006.10.21 16:52:00 -
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Edited by: Aterna on 21/10/2006 16:53:29
There is a way to block the media sites, if you read down far enough on the article. My issue with it is that the game gathers viewing data on the advertisements per person and goes into specifics like how long the ad was in view, the angle, etc.
As far as the legality of it, the EULA of SWAT4 was changed to reflect the advertising for the game, so it is legal in that. Sony probably didn't cover their *** by changing their EULA or didn't word it correctly. Sony has that kind of habit of screwing up...
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Krulla
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Black Reign Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.21 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: Krulla on 21/10/2006 17:53:29
Edited by: Krulla on 21/10/2006 17:52:54
Battlefield 2142 not only adds ads, but also comes with a spyware program, which tracks what websites you visit, how long you play, etc, and displays ads based on that. Utterly, completely disgusting. This will also be a part of all new EA game releases.
I already paid 50$ for the ******* game, I shouldn't have to watch ADs in it!
I'm a big fan of the battlefield series, but I will never ever buy that game, or any EA game again. Spyware is not something I want in my games.
The media disgusts me. First, it's television littered with advertisements, often more often than not a service we payed for already, but then have to put up with the ads; and now, it's games. We already pay for those games, we shouldn't have to suffer rediculusly out of place ads everywhere. Fine, add advertisements to unregistered copies of games, to get people who downloaded them illegally to pay for it in some form or another... but people who already bought the game? No way.
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Krxon Blade
Caldari
Bigg's Loyal Knight's
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Posted - 2006.10.22 10:56:00 -
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I think there should be adds.
Personaly I dont like them, especialy SPAM in mailbox, which I need to remove manualy, but adds are also part of real life. Games with some degree of realness should have adds just to be more realistic. And adds generated money will also help game developers to easier pay their bills. Or buy new ramsans or whattever to help this game runs smoothly.
Of course dossage of adds should be carefuly adjusted.
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LaCoHa
Caldari Deep Space Navy
Caldari Deep Space Industral
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:02:00 -
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I just want to be able to rent space on the concord billboards. And tbh, that would be a great isk sink.
10 million a day, or something to that extent - I'd have to rent it for atleast a few days to advertise my ueber 'coolness'
haha.
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spurious signal
Caldari
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:09:00 -
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I won't buy any game with this "feature" in it.
If it's introduced to any MMORPG (or other game) that I already play then I will block it. If it proves impossible to block I will stop playing that game. And yes, that includes EVE.
Take note any marketing droids reading this - there are plenty of us who feel VERY strongly about this and you WILL lose our revenue if you persist with this evil tactic.
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Caletha
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:11:00 -
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I think people should get their head out of their a***...
Game development costs are getting higher and higher, and players keep demanding more from a game after its been purchased. New content, updates, etc. Games have stayed around the same price for ages, yet they've become tons more expensive to create and maintain.
I think there's nothing wrong with advertisement in games, or tracking how often its viewed and how its viewed and how long. As long as it stays with that. General statistics. It also has to fit in a game ofc, would be rather weird to see a cocacola commercial in WoW. Eve would be perfect for advertisement, just smack it in stations and on the billboards. It fits and there's already 'fake' commercials in the game anyhow. If this means they can add a few more servers, or hire a dev or two more.
But I dont want the games to check if I visit certain sites, or bought certain goods, etc. Thats a clear violation of privacy (and some say that BF2142 has that, I doubt it, dont think EA would be that stupid). As long as certain limits are uphold, I think its a great way for game-devs to make a little more cash.
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Krxon Blade
I think there should be adds.
Personaly I dont like them, especialy SPAM in mailbox, which I need to remove manualy, but adds are also part of real life. Games with some degree of realness should have adds just to be more realistic. And adds generated money will also help game developers to easier pay their bills. Or buy new ramsans or whattever to help this game runs smoothly.
Of course dossage of adds should be carefuly adjusted.
Please tell me your being sarcastic? All these new ads do is fatten already bloated corporate officers wallets with a new revenue stream.. They add nothing to the game but an immersion killer when your running around in a mech and see an ad for some non 22nd century real life product.. If the game is free then ya put in ads to help pay for the service like alot of fan run forums do but if you've already payed for the game then keep your damn greed to yourself ya money grubbing asshats.. Cripes it's not like EA is short on cash.. I mean BF2142 is a MOD fer gods sake and they are charging full price.. 
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tuikyuo
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:14:00 -
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I dont care so much for the ads (unless it gets clustered and creates a lot of lag) but the spyware would worry me. The ads would help the game and if they are just in station backrounds I wouldnt care.
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:17:00 -
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Guess the point is if EA is allowed to get away with it you can be sure they will become a fixture in all new games and more and more invasive with each release.. Bet on it..
[2:02:08] Dred'Pirate Jesus > I'm Mexican you dolt.. It's pronouced "hey zeus" not "gee zus" |
Nir
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
Please tell me your being sarcastic? All these new ads do is fatten already bloated corporate officers wallets with a new revenue stream..
Well in the case of Planetside, it was a do or die situation. They either had to lay off half the development team OR bring in advertisement to pay for their wages. Subscription base to that game took a plummet after a bad expansion release.
So if its for the good and survival of the game, then I might be inclined to support it.. If ad revenues would have saved Earth and Beyond for example, I doubt many people would have complained.
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:35:00 -
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Well if the game is crap then throwing more money at it aint gonna help..  And E&B died becuase EA though the resourses could be used for more profit elsewhere.. not because of any lack of quality gaming.. TBH its getting to the point where the tail is wagging the dog now with Publishers calling the shots and the devs having no say at all on how to make thier own friggin game..  CCP marketed EVE on thier own for a reason you know.. 
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Krxon Blade
Caldari
Bigg's Loyal Knight's
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
Please tell me your being sarcastic?
Not at all.
Adds could add to game reality + give extra income to DEVs.
Few adds will not kill you for sure.
Of course few rules should be followed, such as keeping player personal data confidental, and to mask adds in futuristic wrap to be game related.
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Kerushi
Caldari
AeroSpace Engineering
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Posted - 2006.10.22 12:00:00 -
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just block the tracking servers in the firewall
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.10.22 12:11:00 -
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But then you have already let them have access.. that might work this time but if enough people let this pass then they will just make sure in future games that if you disable the tracking servers the game wont run.. I'm tellig you all that this is a bad bad thing.. Its like the whole Intellectual Property thing that publishers harp on all the time.. If we as gamers dont stop this now then it will only get more invasive..
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Imechal Ravpeim
Amarr
International Multi-Player Consortium
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.22 13:09:00 -
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Don't those CONCORD billboards always advertise for Quafe enough as it is? I don't find them very annoying. I'd actually get a huge chuckle if I saw a Coca-Cola ad in place of the Quafe. 
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Eldo Davip
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.10.22 13:12:00 -
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I think Oveur even mentioned it at some point that they are not going to allow out of game advertising within Eve. It came in a EON Issue too.
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Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.10.22 13:51:00 -
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Edited by: Galk on 22/10/2006 13:51:56
Iv'e heard that also.
It's not ccp's style to throw it in your face to make money.. (sony stations.. iga's ect) most people hate it with a passion, eve simpley doesn't have the number of individual subscibers to cover protential damage from such a move.... think one guy leaving.... and his 4 accounts ect..
Ccp are far and away better off continuing their current model of manipulating the playerbase to put money into their pockets... time codes, character sales.. and adding features within the game encoraging multiple accounts.
It works, players love it for obvious reasons
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Godar Marak
Amarr
Return Of Red Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.22 14:06:00 -
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IF CCP were to have ingame ad's I would demand that EVE became free of charge.
Just like Anarchy Online.
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Ozzie Asrail
FATAL REVELATIONS
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.22 14:17:00 -
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I quit planetside when they put in ads, i'm not buying bf2142 and I'd probably quit eve if they thought about putting real ads into it.
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Mashie Saldana
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2006.10.22 14:21:00 -
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Also another thing, how would adverts for current products relate to space in a distant future? Just imagine if you see a billboard with a Dell P4 advert... Talk about immersion breaking.
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Fark
Gallente
Soul Collectors
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Posted - 2006.10.22 14:26:00 -
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Ive played BF2142 for the last 2 days now, i haven't seen any advertising because im not looking for it, I dont care if it gives me some advertising in game, at least it will change unlike some 360 games which every advert is Burger King and is really off putting and tedious.
And Advertising wouldn't work in EvE even if they where going to add it, EvE is not part of the Sol Solar System so nothing we know 'here' would relate to eve.
Technically it is possible to implement it, but EvE is a player controlled world within the mechanics of its programming. If any adverts where to pop up on billboards it would be in-game corps advertising there IGB website with products listed.
Its a Shame you cant set up a small shop for corps/players, as well as using the existing market. <Going Off Topic now so ill finish here>
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tadig smik
Taintclan Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.22 14:49:00 -
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Yeah... The ****ty thing is that you aren't made aware of 2142's spyware or ingame advertising until AFTER you buy it.
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Cunny
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Posted - 2006.10.22 15:17:00 -
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I was going to buy BF2142 until I found out about this adware deal. I don't care if you have streaming ads in the menu screen where I'm changing my settings and what not, but putting ads in the game during my gameplay and recording what I do on the internet is BEYOND being merely unacceptable. It's a shame too, since I went from liking EA for BF2 and being hyped about BF2142, to absolutely hating them and refusing to buy any of their products ever again. Primarily because EA's explanation for the adware is a sham.
Their marketing goonies said in response to the growing firestorm, they needed adware because the added revenue stream will help them create new "next-gen titles like BF2142." That's all well and wonderful, except for the fact that BF2142 is NOT next-gen. It's a game built upon the exact same engine as Battlefield 2 with a few minor tweaks and new content. That's what's called a "mod." A mod EA's charging people $50 a pop for, in addition to the money they get for the adware. Thus, the entire thing is simply a shameless money grab at the expense of the gamer, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
My stance on this, like most gamers, is that I won't buy any game with adware in it unless it can be hacked and removed. Period. And rest assured, the playerbase WILL find a way to hack this out of the game.
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