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raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 479	Posted - 2015.03.24 07:22:57 - [1] - Quote Back in April 2012 CCP announced at Fanfest a partnership with Nvidia to bring us capsuleers the opportunity to acquire video cards with PLEX. It wasn't supposed to be a one time offer and there was even an interview given by the EVE Online Executive Producer at the time where he stated Jon Lander wrote: It was an interesting experiment and one weGÇÖre going to follow up, as it was more successful than I was hoping, thereGÇÖs obviously quite an appetite out there to doing this sort of thing. WeGÇÖre certainly hoping for EVE merchandise. We need to just look at what the right opportunities are now. WeGÇÖve got lots of people beavering away trying to work out what the right thing to do is. Look no further Mr Lander! The right opportunty is here! With the upcoming EVE Valkyrie simulator EVE Online capsuleers will find themselves in need to acquire a PC compatible VR HMD in order to join the fun. That's why I think this would be the perfect time for CCP to partner with a PC compatible VR HMD manufacturer (Oculus/Samsung/HTC) and make us a PLEX for VR HMD offer! If you guys share this point of view please like this post and comment in this thread showing your support! Maybe we can get CCP's attention and be rewarded with the PLEX for VR HMD offer! CyberChaosCrewTV Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Anthar Thebess 974	Posted - 2015.03.24 07:35:47 - [2] - Quote Sorry but no. This will lead just to immense , i really mean IMMENSE RMT. It is bad idea to buy some RL stuff for ingame stuff. Think how many players will buy plexes off the ingame market , just to sell this VR on e-bay. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
minumin Corellian Trading Corporation 3	Posted - 2015.03.24 08:19:18 - [3] - Quote yes please :)
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 482	Posted - 2015.03.24 09:04:02 - [4] - Quote Anthar Thebess wrote: Sorry but no. This will lead just to immense , i really mean IMMENSE RMT. I don't know if you read the last PLEX deal terms but they are explicit in the page I linked: CCP Manifest wrote: Below are the terms of condition for this offer: The offered product is the NVIDIA Geforce GTX 560 video card. Any active paying EVE Online account may purchase this offer. Only one purchase per account of this offer. Offer is non-refundable. Offer Price is 20 PLEX. Shipping and handling is included in the offer price. The offer is available to EVE Online account holders on Tranquility worldwide. The offer is limited to 100 cards, and will be sold on a first come, first served basis. Offer void where prohibited by applicable law. Some jurisdictions may treat this as a taxable prize or award. Purchaser is solely responsible for determining the tax consequences, if any, associated with this offer. CCP-¦s decision on any sale is final. Some of lines like number of items per account, plex unit price per offer and unit stock prevent "immense RMT" from happening. Anthar Thebess wrote: It is bad idea to buy some RL stuff for ingame stuff. CCP clearly doesn't share your point of view on that. Anthar Thebess wrote: Think how many players will buy plexes off the ingame market , just to sell this VR on e-bay. So what? Just like I'm sure many did back then with the Nvidia cards. It's their call what they do to the goods once they get them. CyberChaosCrewTV Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Anthar Thebess 976	Posted - 2015.03.24 09:16:31 - [5] - Quote 1. Buy 4000 plexes off the market. = 4000 * 20euro = 80.000 euro of estimated value 2. Make 50 accounts and manage to buy 50 headsets. 3. I put 50 VR headsets on ebay , CCP overpriced them and i need to reduce price of those VR to sell it on ebay - so i get only 50.000 euro from those sales. Clean , sanctioned RMT. At any step i did nothing against the rules. 1 headset for account. ISK was clean , farmed by renters. I just made 50.000 euro just for having bunch or renters. Now i don't need renters - there are many players that speculate on the plex prices and they have few thousand plexes stocked up. Easy way to cash out - don't you think. The best part - you can still play eve and make more isk to stock up plexes for the next cashout. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 482	Posted - 2015.03.24 09:49:10 - [6] - Quote Anthar Thebess wrote: 1. Buy 4000 plexes off the market. = 4000 * 20euro = 80.000 euro of estimated value To buy 4000 Plexes off the market at their current isk price (~800mil) you'd need to be sitting on 3.2 trillion isk, which pardon my arrogance, I have my doubts you are. Anthar Thebess wrote: 2. Make 50 accounts and manage to buy 50 headsets. I doubt CCP would send 50 headsets to one address alone, but If that wasn't stated in the terms and conditons I also don't see why they shouldn't. Anthar Thebess wrote: 3. I put 50 VR headsets on ebay , CCP overpriced them and i need to reduce price of those VR to sell it on ebay - so i get only 50.000 euro from those sales. I feel your pain. Anthar Thebess wrote: Clean , sanctioned RMT. RMT stands for "Real Money Trade". This PLEX offer rewards the capsuleers with items, not money. Anthar Thebess wrote: At any step i did nothing against the rules. 1 headset for account. ISK was clean , farmed by renters. I just made 50.000 euro just for having bunch or renters. Now i don't need renters - there are many players that speculate on the plex prices and they have few thousand plexes stocked up. Easy way to cash out - don't you think. The best part - you can still play eve and make more isk to stock up plexes for the next cashout. Maybe CCP should leave you out of this offer since you seem to be willing to spoil it for everyone else by acquring a large number of items. CyberChaosCrewTV Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Mister Tazinas Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2015.03.24 09:51:48 - [7] - Quote Anthar Thebess wrote: Sorry but no. This will lead just to immense , i really mean IMMENSE RMT. It is bad idea to buy some RL stuff for ingame stuff. Think how many players will buy plexes off the ingame market , just to sell this VR on e-bay. There already is "IMMENSE RMT" in Eve. That is why they had to go as far as making it a two strike policy now. Sadly, it goes to solve nothing. RMT still happens on a huge scale, and CCP goes without making money from it. If they were smart... they would open their OWN sanctioned auction house of sorts that would allow players to buy/sell items at a cost (say 15% of total sale value). Plex value may drop, but in the long run I believe CCP would make much more money. They would also be able to verify that the PLEX, or cards used, weren't stolen.
Anthar Thebess 976	Posted - 2015.03.24 09:54:44 - [8] - Quote raven666wings wrote: [quote=Anthar Thebess]To buy 4000 Plexes off the market at their current isk price (~800mil) you'd need to be sitting on 3.2 trillion isk, which pardon my arrogance, I have my doubts you are. What doubts? There are currently many players that have few thousand plexes stocked up. This 3.2 trillion is nothing for big alliances, especially that have renters. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 10924	Posted - 2015.03.24 09:57:05 - [9] - Quote The thing about PLEX is that..... It's generated by RL currency. Unless CCP gives it away. If the market is depleted of PLEX, someone has to buy PLEX to restock the market. So I really don't know what everyone's complaining about. You can go farm 10s of thousands of $ worth of ISK. Just make sure you put all that PLEX you brought in a shuttle. For safety reasons, of course.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 482	Posted - 2015.03.24 10:03:45 - [10] - Quote Anthar Thebess wrote: What doubts? There are currently many players that have few thousand plexes stocked up. And your point is? If CCP doesn't limit the ammount of items one single person can receive I don't see why they shouldn't use them if they want. Anthar Thebess wrote: This 3.2 trillion is nothing for big alliances, especially that have renters. If the CEO of the alliance's Executor could get away with wasting the alliance fund on himself, props to him CyberChaosCrewTV Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Godfrey Silvarna Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light 403	Posted - 2015.03.24 10:09:01 - [11] - Quote I like this idea. This would likely be an excellent PLEX sink. I believe the video card event was motivated by the desire to take some PLEX away from those who have stockpiled hundreds or thousands, so there would be a smaller risk of one of them crashing the market just for ***** and giggles. This should archieve the same effect, and these plex stockpilers existing is a good reason in favour of this idea, not against it. I'd buy one.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 482	Posted - 2015.03.24 23:25:09 - [12] - Quote Bumping it to the front page. Let's make this happen guys, show your support to the PLEX for VR HMD initiative! CyberChaosCrewTV Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Ticondrius Void Regulation 19	Posted - 2015.03.25 00:30:35 - [13] - Quote I would buy one of the upcoming modern VRHMDs with PLEX. Then again, I know how to make about 20-25% over what I invest in the EVE markets...
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 8105	Posted - 2015.03.25 01:17:24 - [14] - Quote If CCP wants this VR thing to be successful, what the OP is suggesting is exactly what they should be doing. They'll get all kinds of write-ups in the gaming press ( you take free advertising where you can) and maybe in the mainstream press as well. On top of that there'll be a bunch of people making nice threads on day one of the release as they will not need to wait for the few brave souls to go out and pay cash for HMDs just to beta test a new game. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 484	Posted - 2015.03.25 10:16:50 - [15] - Quote ^^ That's a good point Mr Epeen, It will be a good way to advertise both EVE Valkyrie and EVE Online. I'm sure it will gather the interest of a lot of people who will come try the game and probably subscribe their accounts, enticed by the possibility of acquiring VR headsets with in-game currency. CyberChaosCrewTV Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Anthar Thebess 977	Posted - 2015.03.25 10:46:12 - [16] - Quote CCP should not endorse any kind of RMT. If you want VR - why you wont just buy it? Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 11076	Posted - 2015.03.25 10:55:12 - [17] - Quote Anthar Thebess wrote: CCP should not endorse any kind of RMT. PLEX =/= RMT
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 5237	Posted - 2015.03.25 11:07:57 - [18] - Quote Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: Anthar Thebess wrote: CCP should not endorse any kind of RMT. PLEX =/= RMT The ability to convert PLEX back into cash or out of game items is RMT. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
TigerXtrm Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 1052	Posted - 2015.03.25 11:09:32 - [19] - Quote Anthar Thebess wrote: 1. Buy 4000 plexes off the market. = 4000 * 20euro = 80.000 euro of estimated value 2. Make 50 accounts and manage to buy 50 headsets. 3. I put 50 VR headsets on ebay , CCP overpriced them and i need to reduce price of those VR to sell it on ebay - so i get only 50.000 euro from those sales. Clean , sanctioned RMT. At any step i did nothing against the rules. 1 headset for account. ISK was clean , farmed by renters. I just made 50.000 euro just for having bunch or renters. Now i don't need renters - there are many players that speculate on the plex prices and they have few thousand plexes stocked up. Easy way to cash out - don't you think. The best part - you can still play eve and make more isk to stock up plexes for the next cashout. Make accounts have to be more than two months old to participate, announce it 1,5 month in advance, solves that entire problem right there. Also you really think CCP doesn't know what account is an alt of whom? Change the offer to 'one per player' and it solves every issue you could think of. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
Steijn Quay Industries 661	Posted - 2015.03.25 11:13:47 - [20] - Quote doesnt really matter wether you buy 1 headset via PLEX or 500. If you then sell even 1 headset, its RMT.
Sarmatiko 1680	Posted - 2015.03.25 11:14:59 - [21] - Quote Anthar Thebess wrote: 1. Buy 4000 plexes off the market. = 4000 * 20euro = 80.000 euro of estimated value 2. Make 50 accounts and manage to buy 50 headsets. ..in one minute like those 100 Nvidia cards.
Anthar Thebess 977	Posted - 2015.03.25 11:16:41 - [22] - Quote Steijn wrote: doesnt really matter wether you buy 1 headset via PLEX or 500. If you then sell even 1 headset, its RMT. How CCP can check it, or endorse it? If some item belongs to me i have full right to do it whatever i want. Good luck for CCP legal department trying to ban someone for selling those VR heads. National laws are above CCP rules. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Anthar Thebess 977	Posted - 2015.03.25 11:18:25 - [23] - Quote Sarmatiko wrote: Anthar Thebess wrote: 1. Buy 4000 plexes off the market. = 4000 * 20euro = 80.000 euro of estimated value 2. Make 50 accounts and manage to buy 50 headsets. ..in one minute like those 100 Nvidia cards. Because you cannot prepare and make a script that will do it for you. People are creative. Ps. Why no sisi diff for so long time made public. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Steijn Quay Industries 662	Posted - 2015.03.25 11:18:41 - [24] - Quote Anthar Thebess wrote: Steijn wrote: doesnt really matter wether you buy 1 headset via PLEX or 500. If you then sell even 1 headset, its RMT. How CCP can check it, or endorse it? If some item belongs to me i have full right to do it whatever i want. Good luck for CCP legal department trying to ban someone for selling those VR heads. National laws are above CCP rules. i never said they would endorse it, but you cant hide the fact that if you did sell it, it IS RMT.
Anthar Thebess 977	Posted - 2015.03.25 11:21:49 - [25] - Quote TigerXtrm wrote: Make accounts have to be more than two months old to participate, announce it 1,5 month in advance, solves that entire problem right there. Also you really think CCP doesn't know what account is an alt of whom? Change the offer to 'one per player' and it solves every issue you could think of. I will make 50 buddy accounts and wait for new promotion ... next year. No cost, except that my main account will have 50 months of subscription. Invest 50 plexes to reopen them is minor issue when i could cash out thousand of euro. PS. http://evewho.com/corp/health+clinic THIS IS one man corp. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Sarmatiko 1680	Posted - 2015.03.25 11:24:07 - [26] - Quote Anthar Thebess wrote: Because you cannot prepare and make a script that will do it for you. Well good luck with that. We could also add fantasy things like 50 different VPN's and 50 different delivery addresses, right?
Anthar Thebess 977	Posted - 2015.03.25 11:43:49 - [27] - Quote Sarmatiko wrote: Anthar Thebess wrote: Because you cannot prepare and make a script that will do it for you. Well good luck with that. We could also add fantasy things like 50 different VPN's and 50 different delivery addresses, right? Why it was account based , not user based. Ok so let say that you don't want to do any scripts ,etc. Lets assume that ccp puts 250 VR headers that can be bought using PLEX. Ask yourself how many people just buy them to sell them on ebay - yes i would do it - why not? This is simple opening totally new door to RMT. Many people will start to buy and stack up plexes only to make cash out at some point. From time to time you will see similar topics : Plex for #######. CCP in new patch you introduced new graphics for ###### can we have Plex for graphic card ###### ? ( that is worth 2k euro) No CCP will not do this kind of event every month , but in order to maintain program Plex for ###### CCP will need to do it from time to time. If you really want Plex for ###### let it not be some unrelated RL stuff that can be sold out , but new EVE based Gear, USB hub in the form of Archon , or other similar items. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Semidurr Pancerne Poziomki YARRR and CO 4	Posted - 2015.03.25 13:30:22 - [28] - Quote I have to agree with Anthar Thebess on this one. What this suggestion of yours would do is legalize and promote RMT on unprecedented scale and probably lead to hiperinflation as PLEX prices would skyrocket overnight.
raven666wings Cyber Chaos Crew 484	Posted - 2015.03.25 22:26:20 - [29] - Quote ^^Thanks for your input on the thread guys. There are a lot of "IMMENSE RMT" and apocalyptic end-of-the-world prophecies written above, but to appease some of these fears I will quote again the terms and conditions of the last PLEX for NVIDIA card offer done by CCP, these time in bold writing so people don't miss them: CCP Manifest wrote: Below are the terms of condition for this offer: The offered product is the NVIDIA Geforce GTX 560 video card. Any active paying EVE Online account may purchase this offer. Only one purchase per account of this offer. Offer is non-refundable. Offer Price is 20 PLEX. Shipping and handling is included in the offer price. The offer is available to EVE Online account holders on Tranquility worldwide. The offer is limited to 100 cards, and will be sold on a first come, first served basis. Offer void where prohibited by applicable law. Some jurisdictions may treat this as a taxable prize or award. Purchaser is solely responsible for determining the tax consequences, if any, associated with this offer. CCP-¦s decision on any sale is final. If a VR HMD would be offered this time I think the Offer Price would need to be changed to maybe 40 PLEX since the VR HMD's are considerably more expensive than the NVIDIA card offered at the time (probably double the price). Now I understand this was an experiment and CCP wanted to learn what challenges could arise from it. Executive Producer Jon Lander stated the results were good and they intended to follow up, so I would like to hear from CCP on what are their plans for this type of offer. Also for the people interested in it, don't stop posting and showing your support! We can make it happen! CyberChaosCrewTV Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM.
Anthar Thebess 978	Posted - 2015.03.26 10:22:21 - [30] - Quote Reasonable VR headset starts around 2000 $ Quite nice payout for 100-120 plexes. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.

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