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Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.22 12:50:00 - [31] Originally by: Soraya Silvermoon Originally by: Nir All recons are medslot heavy and have oodles of CPU, so they all fit a lot of ECM.. It even takes precedence over their own racial Ewar in most cases. ECM is overpowdered, not Recons. Only the Caldari recon fits ecm. Guns are overpowered ecm isnt. And the other recons have their own ewar and they kick ass.. except maby the amarr one with the tracking disrupters they could use some fixing.. But they got that imensly powerfull nos. actually, when you see pilgrims and arazus and stuff fitting multispecs instead of their racial ECM (common thing), then you can say it's overpowered. ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Pestillence Chav-Scum	Posted - 2006.10.22 16:24:00 - [32] Originally by: Hyssax Originally by: Pestillence Originally by: Benglada iv seen mc use gangs of 50+ with nothing but hacs/recons. Doubtful. You should know better than that. ofc I do, Why would you fly that many recon ships? The MC I know balances their fleets better than that.
Choi Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.22 16:25:00 - [33] Edited by: Choi on 22/10/2006 16:25:35 Originally by: Grimpak actually, when you see pilgrims and arazus and stuff fitting multispecs instead of their racial ECM (common thing), then you can say it's overpowered. who all die when they run into anyone NOT stupid who fitted a backup array. Ecm isnt overpowered, its underpowered. 1 backup array and your not likely to be jammed, 2 and you shrug it off completely. Not to mention that there are both lowslot and medslot mods that do this. People just dont have the wherewithall to fit these mods because then they cant run their "uber" tank or all of their nanos or dmg mods.
FraXy Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.22 16:36:00 - [34] Originally by: Choi Edited by: Choi on 22/10/2006 16:25:35 Originally by: Grimpak actually, when you see pilgrims and arazus and stuff fitting multispecs instead of their racial ECM (common thing), then you can say it's overpowered. who all die when they run into anyone NOT stupid who fitted a backup array. Ecm isnt overpowered, its underpowered. 1 backup array and your not likely to be jammed, 2 and you shrug it off completely. Not to mention that there are both lowslot and medslot mods that do this. People just dont have the wherewithall to fit these mods because then they cant run their "uber" tank or all of their nanos or dmg mods. Archon getting jammed by a single multispec with 146 sensor strength. ECM is not overpowered at all.. This is my lazy attempt to make an uber-signature, please go away!
DarkElf Caldari Euphoria Released	Posted - 2006.10.22 17:06:00 - [35] Originally by: Nir All recons are medslot heavy and have oodles of CPU, so they all fit a lot of ECM.. It even takes precedence over their own racial Ewar in most cases. ECM is overpowdered, not Recons. oodles of cpu? ever tried fitting a pilgrim? DE
DarkElf Caldari Euphoria Released	Posted - 2006.10.22 17:08:00 - [36] Originally by: FraXy Originally by: Choi Edited by: Choi on 22/10/2006 16:25:35 Originally by: Grimpak actually, when you see pilgrims and arazus and stuff fitting multispecs instead of their racial ECM (common thing), then you can say it's overpowered. who all die when they run into anyone NOT stupid who fitted a backup array. Ecm isnt overpowered, its underpowered. 1 backup array and your not likely to be jammed, 2 and you shrug it off completely. Not to mention that there are both lowslot and medslot mods that do this. People just dont have the wherewithall to fit these mods because then they cant run their "uber" tank or all of their nanos or dmg mods. Archon getting jammed by a single multispec with 146 sensor strength. ECM is not overpowered at all.. Oh and well and truly /signed (Dark has exact same situation - 146 strength with 2 eccms and jammed by multis) DE
FFGR Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.22 19:02:00 - [37] Originally by: Denrace It seems a RECON ship is better at PVP than most COMBAT based ships. Recon > everything else Shouldnt be this way, and hopefully Kali will change this to an extent. There is no way in hell a well-skilled Absolution should be beaten senseless in seconds by recon ship pilot with only a few mill SP's /trains recons and leaves his HACs in the hangar Den It will certainly won't go down from a lone recon ship (exception is Curse/Pilgrim). My Falcon has the damage output of a 5year old and the rest of the Recons can't put as damage output as a HAC (but yes, they are fairly close and in some particular setups better). _____________________________ siggys v. 0.5
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.22 19:07:00 - [38] Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Nir All recons are medslot heavy and have oodles of CPU, so they all fit a lot of ECM.. It even takes precedence over their own racial Ewar in most cases. ECM is overpowdered, not Recons. oodles of cpu? ever tried fitting a pilgrim? DE Ever tried fitting an Ishtar? --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Black Reign Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.22 19:12:00 - [39] Edited by: Aramendel on 22/10/2006 19:13:43 Originally by: Choi Originally by: Grimpak actually, when you see pilgrims and arazus and stuff fitting multispecs instead of their racial ECM (common thing), then you can say it's overpowered. who all die when they run into anyone NOT stupid who fitted a backup array... Correction: who then have a chance to die when.. Your whole ECCM argument fails because there are countermodules for the other EW systems too, in just the same way. And those are even more commonly used than ECCM, because they actually give boni to the ship when not under EW influence. And, most importantly, there are ships which do not have to fit a single anti-module to counter the other EW systems. The effect of tracking disruptors vs missle and drone ships is nil. A damperner setup won't be effective against fast frigs or cruisers with a MWD. What makes ECM so strong is that it has no targets where it has no effect - countermodule independant.
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.22 20:28:00 - [40] I just don't like the Chance system,. and countermeasures should always be better than, Quote: "Don't touch the red button!"
Ortt	Posted - 2006.10.23 00:03:00 - [41] It is my distinct pleasure to start the: NERF RECON's thread whine. We took out stab's now lets take out RECONS!1!!!!
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.23 00:23:00 - [42] Originally by: Aramendel And, most importantly, there are ships which do not have to fit a single anti-module to counter the other EW systems. The effect of tracking disruptors vs missle and drone ships is nil. A damperner setup won't be effective against fast frigs or cruisers with a MWD. That is quite simply wrong - even a 40km base lockrange frigate gets damped into near uselessness easily. You're mistaking the effect of not being a binary switch like ECM, and hence being bound to eventually work for full effect under any conditions, with lacking versatility. Dampeners do quite effectively (and without ever failing) neutralize any single ship that isn't running sensorboosters to the point of uselessness (ie shortrange ships with 2x SB). With however two more caveats than ECM : For starters dampening skills are practically a necessity to get a useful effect and furthermore you can't gain any benefit from activating one module on every target hoping for a tremendous payoff. The dampening concept is actually pretty nice, and has alot more place in a game than ECM does. It's only somewhat out of equilibrium right now for lack of more useful countermodules, particularly in lowslots, without locktime/range bonuses and for the predominance of ECM making it nearly impossible to reasonably fit to protect from both (and seeing as either without adequate protection are completely fatal, that's a problem). As to the "HAY GUYZ, PEOPLE ARE TOO STUPID TO FIT ECCM" crowd - shut the christ up. It's the nature of a chance-based system, especially a perfectly linear one, that ECCM isn't even protecting you significantly as much as it is halving a chance which happened to be high enough to begin with. As long as all your opponents cycles boil down to 33%+ to jam every 20 seconds, combat isn't very sustainable. Neither does it remove the sheer stupidity of a completely uninvolved 100% disable (unlike Damps), nor does it solve the problem that this change increased the cleft between ECM and non-ECM ships - in effect making the previously most effective counter module (your own ECM) now less effective, in exchange for granting you a purely conditional countermodule that still can't hold a candle to ECM. And to whoever mentioned lowslot ECCM, I hope you realize it's stacking penalized. I also hope you choke on a hotdog while trying to eat and shave your neckbeard at the same time.
Onel Whitaker	Posted - 2006.10.23 00:49:00 - [43] Quote: My Falcon has the damage output of a 5year old and the rest of the Recons can't put as damage output as a HAC (but yes, they are fairly close and in some particular setups better). When I got my Falcon I tought that I should try it out so I went to lowsec, after a while looking for a target I ran into a Profacy, it took me 7min to kill here and the prophecy was T1 fitted... all of the other recons have better fire power then the Falcon Hell will seem like heaven when I am done with you.
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.23 01:14:00 - [44] Been there done that. Recon squads are the bomb. I love dual boxing with my recons any chance I get and doing ops with large gangs in alliance as well. Fun stuff. It also keeps your everyday opponents on their feet since you may show up in a recon fleet OR a BS fleet OR a frig swarm. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Death Merchant InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.23 01:59:00 - [45] Any one ship I sensor dampen in my arazu isn't locking anyone till next downtime. Also, I dont like the firepower of all recon fleets. 6-7 ships of course. Seems that in our recon fleets a little more firepower(preferbly hacs) seem to make them alot more effective. "What happens in Deklien stays in Deklien".

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