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Mad Cyril
Deep Space Trade and Prospect
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Posted - 2015.03.24 23:33:19 -
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After reading this pastebin -
http://pastebin.com/NLZAd9C4
I'm struggling to understand why anybody would want to join GOONS. Outnumbering an enemy by 2-1, knowing they could crush their foes yet blueballing their opponents just to deny the enemy any kind of fight. They openly admit their only tactic is superblob or blueball, no in between. They claim holding SOV is all that matters. How can anybody in CFC actually enjoy this kind of crap? Is the whole motivation of the CFC line member just filling his wallet with ISK?
I always thought Gevlon Goblin's hatred of Goons was rather sad but after reading this bull I'm now in agreement with him. GOON leadership mentality is all about marshalling f1 scrubs to help keep their ISK empire in place and they have no interest in providing their line members with meaningful content.
So again, why would anybody volunteer to become a GOONBOT? |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.03.24 23:44:14 -
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They have fun playing the game and don't give a **** what peons like you think of them.
Half the time they are trolling when they speak so taking anything they say at face value is quite foolish.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2866
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Posted - 2015.03.24 23:57:31 -
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CAOD ----->
JUSTK is recruiting.
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d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
99
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Posted - 2015.03.25 00:48:48 -
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Mad Cyril wrote:After reading this pastebin - http://pastebin.com/NLZAd9C4 I'm struggling to understand why anybody would want to join GOONS. Outnumbering an enemy by 2-1, knowing they could crush their foes yet blueballing their opponents just to deny the enemy any kind of fight. They openly admit their only tactic is superblob or blueball, no in between. They claim holding SOV is all that matters. How can anybody in CFC actually enjoy this kind of crap? Is the whole motivation of the CFC line member just filling his wallet with ISK? I always thought Gevlon Goblin's hatred of Goons was rather sad but after reading this bull I'm now in agreement with him. GOON leadership mentality is all about marshalling f1 scrubs to help keep their ISK empire in place and they have no interest in providing their line members with meaningful content. So again, why would anybody volunteer to become a GOONBOT?
You have no idea what you are talking about. |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.03.25 06:17:12 -
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Mad Cyril wrote:So again, why would anybody volunteer to become a GOONBOT?
I just read that whole pastebin, the answer you seek is in there:
"(9:04:10 PM) rayonar: You can throw whatever argument you want on the table. If you haven't been in this situation, you don't know. This is a region at risk, not a money moon. You don't undock to fight for ***** and giggles, you undock to win timers, win systems, and to demoralize. You don't undock "just cuz"."
The CFC is currently engaged in Dominion Sovereignty Warfare. Sov warfare isn't "nice". It isn't "gudfites". It's largely about weaponizing your enemies boredom.
ISK wars and killmails count for nothing in this kind of battle. Winning timers and flipping systems is the goal. If undocking and taking a fight doesn't advance either of those strategic objectives, then undocking is dumb.
FYI: From what I've heard from various sources in both camps, BL, NC. and The Kadeshi have also done their fair share of blueballing this campaign.
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
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ZAKURELL0 LINDA
Black Scorpions Inc Fidelas Constans
60
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Posted - 2015.03.25 09:06:06 -
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when NC. being NCDOCK, nothing happened.
when CFC denied a fight, threadnanught like this appears.
food for thought?
RIP Iron Lady
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Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.25 09:09:13 -
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THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS HERE.
Reminds me of the times of BoB, when in-fighting along with renters being duped, abandoned and rekt everywhere, as sov holders scrambled to protect their space holdings.
Little groups would then bite off bits and pieces from the largest entities in null, just as the main war was in full effect.
Gudtymes.
( -í° -£-û -í°)
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Garnoo
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
150
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Posted - 2015.03.25 11:11:14 -
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we are so bad/terrible people are ready to pay isk to get into goons... yes, we are loosing eve, disbanding every monday, we keep forgeting about sov bills and station eggs... oh, and btw - eve is dying (for 12years now) :)
People are going to try to ruin your day. Get together with others, ruin their day back --á EvE
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
266
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Posted - 2015.03.25 14:03:03 -
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Garnoo wrote:we are so bad/terrible people are ready to pay isk to get into goons... yes, we are loosing eve, disbanding every monday, we keep forgeting about sov bills and station eggs... oh, and btw - eve is dying (for 12years now) :)
yep I was approached by goons several time now, each one trying to get in a scam for me to give them isk. still hasn't worked.
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Chenguang Hucel-Ge
Exiled Tech Space Monkey Protectorate
21
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Posted - 2015.03.25 17:25:18 -
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Well, while I'm not touching goons even with a long pole, I gotta admit, these guys do deliver hilarious news, either about kind players in EVE (Giving huge donation to the GSF member with reason: for Aeon), friendship (Another alliance in coalition), space magic (I still got 1st edition of Grid-Fu mastery, probably should inject this one). Also, I can't reject the fact of CFC beeing the largest EVE community in general.
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
635
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Posted - 2015.03.26 02:21:42 -
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Someone's mad he got told by their boss. Why don't you this on GD where it will get more coverage.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
294
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Posted - 2015.03.26 16:06:32 -
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What constitutes a gud fite?
Moderate strength is shown in violence, supreme strength is shown in levity.
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2680
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Posted - 2015.03.26 16:18:07 -
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Vicky Somers wrote:What constitutes a gud fite?
The ones I win. |
Nadine Altair
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.26 20:38:26 -
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Mad Cyril wrote: GOON leadership mentality is all about marshalling f1 scrubs to help keep their ISK empire in place and they have no interest in providing their line members with meaningful content.
So again, why would anybody volunteer to become a GOONBOT? The same reason why highsec is so popular - some people just aren't interested in good fights for content and instead only want to rat in peace. Goons are a herd of carebears that are ruled over by a couple of very capable meta gamers who tell them what to think, what to fly and where to rat. The average goon line member is essentially nothing more than this. |
Nomistrav
Aliastra Gallente Federation
295
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Posted - 2015.03.27 09:40:52 -
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Nadine Altair wrote:Mad Cyril wrote: GOON leadership mentality is all about marshalling f1 scrubs to help keep their ISK empire in place and they have no interest in providing their line members with meaningful content.
So again, why would anybody volunteer to become a GOONBOT? The same reason why highsec is so popular - some people just aren't interested in good fights for content and instead only want to rat in peace. Goons are a herd of carebears that are ruled over by a couple of very capable meta gamers who tell them what to think, what to fly and where to rat. The average goon line member is essentially nothing more than this.
Plays video game to get away from reality.
In doing so, does what they would probably do in reality.
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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
848
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Posted - 2015.03.27 10:55:20 -
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It is focusing to the goals you have, why to waste assets to something that does not serve purpose.
Only mentally ill people kill for fun. |
ggodhsup
relocation LLC.
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Posted - 2015.03.29 05:21:57 -
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i feel like this thread needs a GRRRRRR-GOONS! |
Xayder
V I R I I Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2015.03.29 18:53:53 -
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GRRR GOONS
I don't always post, But when i post I do it with my main
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2015.03.30 00:16:23 -
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Vicky Somers wrote:What constitutes a gud fite?
Probably a fight that feels at least somewhat 'fair'. A fight where the win could go either way.
Thing is, like the Goons so expertly pointed out, 'fair' fights don't win wars. Gaining sov is hard work. Keeping it is even harder work. Can't blame them for using 'cheap' tactics to win the important fights. No point in making things harder on yourself than they need to be at the end of the day.
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Nalia White
Tencus
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Posted - 2015.03.30 16:49:35 -
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and that's what i like about eve. sometimes it's not for fun for some people :) |
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Lupe Meza
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.30 18:05:55 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Vicky Somers wrote:What constitutes a gud fite? Probably a fight that feels at least somewhat 'fair'. A fight where the win could go either way. Thing is, like the Goons so expertly pointed out, 'fair' fights don't win wars. Gaining sov is hard work. Keeping it is even harder work. Can't blame them for using 'cheap' tactics to win the important fights. No point in making things harder on yourself than they need to be at the end of the day.
Pretty much, can't fault them for using the mechanics available to them to succeed. This is what the current incarnation and past decade or so of the evolution of EVE brought about. It's not like this is specific to the one group. Plenty of booster and falcon alts around, and plenty of one sided dunk or no fight at all groups around.
The only real game reward for a "gud fite" is the experience itself, I like them because I feel that win or lose everybody has a good time and pilots and FC's improve after a closely contested battle; but EVE as a game doesn't really reward this in the game itself. Everything goes to the winner so the emphasis is doing whatever it takes to win be it overwhelming force, falcon alts, hotdrops, whatever. That is the "correct" answer. You can subscribe to whatever code you want, I personally have more fun taking more even fights, but I would never say that's actually smart.
At the end of the day it is a videogame I play for enjoyment, so i do the things that I enjoy playing it. And I don't hate losing so much, or have so much on the line with a loss, that I won't pass up a possible good time to sit docked for hours when I could be doing just about ANYTHING else in EVE or outside of it with my time.
But I'm admittedly a filthy casual. |
Soldarius
Kosher Nostra The 99 Percent
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Posted - 2015.04.01 20:07:08 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:Mad Cyril wrote:So again, why would anybody volunteer to become a GOONBOT? I just read that whole pastebin, the answer you seek is in there: "(9:04:10 PM) rayonar: You can throw whatever argument you want on the table. If you haven't been in this situation, you don't know. This is a region at risk, not a money moon. You don't undock to fight for ***** and giggles, you undock to win timers, win systems, and to demoralize. You don't undock "just cuz"." The CFC is currently engaged in Dominion Sovereignty Warfare. Sov warfare isn't "nice". It isn't "gudfites". It's largely about weaponizing your enemies boredom. ISK wars and killmails count for nothing in this kind of battle. Winning timers and flipping systems is the goal. If undocking and taking a fight doesn't advance either of those strategic objectives, then undocking is dumb. FYI: From what I've heard from various sources in both camps, BL, NC. and The Kadeshi have also done their fair share of blueballing this campaign.
Truth.
When I was in Tribe, PL showed up in HIX with a 150-man Tengu fleet and demanded a fight. I told them to toss off, no way were we gonna undock a bunch of T1 BCs or cruisers into that, and we would fight at a time and place of our own choosing, not when they just show up and demand content. They sputtered and cried about how they were gonna come burn down our space pixels.
They never came back.
In Eve Online, boredom should be classified as a weapon of mass destruction.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2685
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Posted - 2015.04.02 15:17:38 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Vicky Somers wrote:What constitutes a gud fite? Probably a fight that feels at least somewhat 'fair'. A fight where the win could go either way. Thing is, like the Goons so expertly pointed out, 'fair' fights don't win wars. Gaining sov is hard work. Keeping it is even harder work. Can't blame them for using 'cheap' tactics to win the important fights. No point in making things harder on yourself than they need to be at the end of the day.
We revel in using cheap and underhanded tactics. Our enemies insist on playing this as space joust online, when it's actually more like Civ 5 and Ghandi has nukes. |
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
562
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Posted - 2015.04.07 06:30:16 -
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Because the entire point of Goons is to troll, and that's some peoples' thing.
Not really that complicated, just treat them the same way you do the one random guy that types in all caps about Obama being born in Kenya in forums about baking cupcakes or whatever: ignore them, don't engage, and move on with your life.
You've got to give them credit for at least the self-awareness to join a game where that's as legitimate a player motivation as any, at least; in a cooperative MMO they'd be ruining everybody's day but in Eve they don't necessarily stand out and you have the option of ignoring them/shooting them. |
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.08 05:05:29 -
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My computer is slick with your tears... |
vccv
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Posted - 2015.04.08 06:08:39 -
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If we didn't have Goons, things would be a little less interesting in New Eden. Lots of people jump on the wagon to hate them but at most have only been blobbed a few times by their fleets. They fail to realize that they serve up content in areas that would only be filled by the next in line if they were to leave. I'm sure those hit by recruiting scams and classic goonery have good reasons, but for the majority it's just another factor of eve that they fail to appreciate for what it is. Flame away but it's my opinion. Grrr Goons. |
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
104
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Posted - 2015.04.09 05:28:52 -
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vccv wrote:If we didn't have Goons, things would be a little less interesting in New Eden. Lots of people jump on the wagon to hate them but at most have only been blobbed a few times by their fleets. They fail to realize that they serve up content in areas that would only be filled by the next in line if they were to leave. I'm sure those hit by recruiting scams and classic goonery have good reasons, but for the majority it's just another factor of eve that they fail to appreciate for what it is. Flame away but it's my opinion. Grrr Goons.
This is right, mostly.
IMO, they bring the action. They are the corp everyone loves to hate and fight with. Their mere existence makes a huge part of null-sec an interesting place to be. The hate of them is mystifying to me. If you've been blobbed by them, then fine... be mad. If not, then you're just being a big, weepy vagina. Don't hate the player, hate the game. |
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
304
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Posted - 2015.04.11 10:27:20 -
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Mad Cyril wrote:After reading this pastebin - http://pastebin.com/NLZAd9C4 I'm struggling to understand why anybody would want to join GOONS. Outnumbering an enemy by 2-1, knowing they could crush their foes yet blueballing their opponents just to deny the enemy any kind of fight. They openly admit their only tactic is superblob or blueball, no in between. They claim holding SOV is all that matters. How can anybody in CFC actually enjoy this kind of crap? Is the whole motivation of the CFC line member just filling his wallet with ISK? I always thought Gevlon Goblin's hatred of Goons was rather sad but after reading this bull I'm now in agreement with him. GOON leadership mentality is all about marshalling f1 scrubs to help keep their ISK empire in place and they have no interest in providing their line members with meaningful content. So again, why would anybody volunteer to become a GOONBOT? Your painting everyone in Goons with the same brush, i fought with them and against them and alot of them want fights, some like small gang warfare, as for blue balling all the alliances have done that.
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Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
725
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Posted - 2015.04.11 10:46:19 -
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This isn't indicative of goons being a joke. This is indicative of all SOV warfare in the old system being a joke.
Boredoms been weaponised since SOV warfare went super serious, which was approximately the moment someone flew into null sec and planted a flag (side note, who did actually take the very first SOV ever?). |
Melenos
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.04.11 16:50:46 -
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Because there are people who want to feel like being the black guy in a 90s music clip. |
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