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Valn Falkan
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.25 19:40:26 -
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New to the game, I felt like doing some player courier missions...only to find out the collaterals are like 300 million ISK... are there any courier guilds out there that will actually let me accept courier misisons? |
Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc.
Low-Class
1111
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Posted - 2015.03.25 19:45:08 -
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Red Frog are the best, but hauling things is largely a dead career unless you can do the dangerous jobs |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
4741
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Posted - 2015.03.25 19:48:06 -
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I think you may be confusing courier contracts with NPC agent courier missions.
NPC agent courier missions don't have collateral that high. [Level 3 courier missions are great for raising standing. A cargo expanded Magnate works well for most of them.]
There are courier services, like Red Frog Freight, but they typically require a freighter pilot, and you join with your non-pilot alt to keep your pilot anonymous. |
Phig Neutron
Rubicon Cubism
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Posted - 2015.03.25 20:03:29 -
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It's an investment. You could plug in a PLEX one time to get some starting collateral, and then use it to run contracts. Basically, if I use a courier contract it's because I bought some ships in Jita and I want them moved to my base while I'm under a war declaration and it isn't safe for me to pilot them myself. Obviously I'm not going to create a contract without requiring collateral equal to the value of my cargo, because you could just "fail" the contract and keep my shiny ships.
So that's the trade off. I'm not going to waste millions of ISK on a courier contract for worthless stuff, and I'm not going to let strangers haul my valuable stuff without putting up collateral.
Tau is right -- you could run NPC courier missions endlessly and graduate to player courier contracts when you're ready. |
Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.25 21:08:42 -
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These are a few of the better ones:
Push: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41058&_ga=1.144425973.1929299360.1427119535
Red Frog: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=24337&&_ga=1.210274005.1929299360.1427119535#post24337
Blue Frog: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=327459&_ga=1.210274005.1929299360.1427119535#post327459
Black Frog: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=35250&_ga=1.210274005.1929299360.1427119535
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
6032
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Posted - 2015.03.25 21:23:46 -
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Red Frog (Red Frog Freight, Blue Frog, Black Frog) and PushX are the 2 most known hauler corps / alliances in EVE.
Red Frog though is a Freighter only service, so you will need a proper skilled freighter before you can even consider to be part of the Froggers.
Don't know if PushX does allows T1 / T2 Industrials.
p.s.
Don't expect big payments and/or low collaterals on ANY player courier contract. Specially with public contracts.
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Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2015.03.25 21:24:02 -
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Valn Falkan wrote:New to the game, I felt like doing some player courier missions...only to find out the collaterals are like 300 million ISK... are there any courier guilds out there that will actually let me accept courier misisons?
300 Million is actually quite low.. when you are into real movers such as freighters, or even an orca, 1 Billion is about the standard.
That said, trust me when I say YOU WILL GET THERE. The greatest enemy in EvE is impatience.
If you want to really be a courier then I would suggest joining PUSH Industries. They are much more new player friendly than RF.
Short term my advice, buy a PLEX ($17) and sell it for ~800M ISK.
Thats the dirty secret in EvE. Everyone wants you to believe they earned it all.. reality most just bought it. :) |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
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4909
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Posted - 2015.03.25 22:52:07 -
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Hauling pays *terribly*.
I know because I post a lot of public courier contracts, and ones that I feel are just terrible get done all the time.
Orca sized parcel, 1.2 billion collateral, and a choice of either 15j through highsec but passing through Uedama (the most dangerous system for highsec ganks) or 14j with 1j through low - this gets done, regularly, for 10-18 million (depending how fast I want it moved).
As for collateral - Contracts will usually be high collateral, because there's not all that much reason to move low value items around (except in bulk), and if the collateral isn't more than the value of the goods, the courier will just intentionally fail the contract and keep the goods.
As for buying PLEX - I advise against it. What you learn going from the few tens of millions you have now to your first billion will serve you well in turning that billion into ten, twenty or fifty billion. (You'll need to learn different skills if you want to turn fifty billion into four trillion).
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
1327
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Posted - 2015.03.25 23:40:18 -
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J'Poll wrote:Red Frog (Red Frog Freight, Blue Frog, Black Frog) and PushX are the 2 most known hauler corps / alliances in EVE.
Red Frog though is a Freighter only service, so you will need a proper skilled freighter before you can even consider to be part of the Froggers.
Don't know if PushX does allows T1 / T2 Industrials.
p.s.
Don't expect big payments and/or low collaterals on ANY player courier contract. Specially with public contracts.
I remember PushX having "microPush" for lower skilled peeps. Don't know if they still do.
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Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
79
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Posted - 2015.03.26 00:34:51 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
As for buying PLEX - I advise against it. What you learn going from the few tens of millions you have now to your first billion will serve you well in turning that billion into ten, twenty or fifty billion. (You'll need to learn different skills if you want to turn fifty billion into four trillion).
Agreed completely.
PLEX is very bad advice - a potential near-billion loss with a T1 hauler just waiting to happen.
Caveat emptor v0v
Good information has been provided here on how to get into the trade. I can only add that there's a "Haulers Channel" which posts freelance jobs with reasonable collateral and often very good rates of reward. It's frequented by over 400 people, both freelancers and clients, I think. 
( -í° -£-û -í°)
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
205
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Posted - 2015.03.26 01:47:44 -
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I still think the OP is confused and may potentially think that he is running courier missions for a courier agent when he may actually be running haul contracts. So I ask the OP are you actually running missions for a courier agent?
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Missions_guide |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
997
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Posted - 2015.03.26 03:17:46 -
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I'll only ever be on one side of a courier contract, and that is the side of creating contracts that pay peanuts, and are over collateralized
in short courier contracts are almost never worth doing, yet for some reason people do them. And as a new player they just sound like an invitation to get ganked, or accidentally take one that takes you into an unsafe system (note I didn't say low or null sec, various highsecs are especially dangerous for haulers).
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Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
126
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Posted - 2015.03.26 13:48:32 -
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J'Poll wrote:Red Frog (Red Frog Freight, Blue Frog, Black Frog) and PushX are the 2 most known hauler corps / alliances in EVE.
Red Frog though is a Freighter only service, so you will need a proper skilled freighter before you can even consider to be part of the Froggers.
Don't know if PushX does allows T1 / T2 Industrials.
p.s.
Don't expect big payments and/or low collaterals on ANY player courier contract. Specially with public contracts.
I have never joined, but can't you be in something like red frog and just scout/web/etc for them until your skills are better? |
gfldex
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Posted - 2015.03.26 17:41:02 -
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Valn Falkan wrote:New to the game, I felt like doing some player courier missions...only to find out the collaterals are like 300 million ISK... are there any courier guilds out there that will actually let me accept courier misisons?
All hauling corps are middleman. They provide courier contract obfuscation by reissuing contracts to the actual (self employed) hauler. They don't and cannot provide contracts without collateral to you because that would make them very, very broke within a day or two. They do provide you with protection from cunning individuals that can match your name in the contract list with the output of locator agents. It is not hard to part a foolish hauler and his collateral.
If you specialise in haulers you can get a sizable and reliable income after you got a freighter and 5B ISK liquid capital (and a Rapier alt). There is the option to use cloaky haulers and run to 0.0 but that market is rather small and comes with plenty of risk.
If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
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gfldex
727
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Posted - 2015.03.26 17:49:39 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote:I have never joined, but can't you be in something like red frog and just scout/web/etc for them until your skills are better?
To be able to web them you can't have CONCORD interference. Please start a hauling corp that is setup that way and invite me to your corp. I got a Hyperion and want your cargo.
If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
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Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
126
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Posted - 2015.03.26 18:56:51 -
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gfldex wrote:Petre en Thielles wrote:I have never joined, but can't you be in something like red frog and just scout/web/etc for them until your skills are better? To be able to web them you can't have CONCORD interference. Please start a hauling corp that is setup that way and invite me to your corp. I got a Hyperion and want your cargo.
low/null hauling..... |
J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
6038
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Posted - 2015.03.26 20:30:42 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote:J'Poll wrote:Red Frog (Red Frog Freight, Blue Frog, Black Frog) and PushX are the 2 most known hauler corps / alliances in EVE.
Red Frog though is a Freighter only service, so you will need a proper skilled freighter before you can even consider to be part of the Froggers.
Don't know if PushX does allows T1 / T2 Industrials.
p.s.
Don't expect big payments and/or low collaterals on ANY player courier contract. Specially with public contracts. I have never joined, but can't you be in something like red frog and just scout/web/etc for them until your skills are better?
Nope.
To join you must have:
Account A with a freighter.
Account B with an contract alt that joins Red Frog.
P.s. there are NO freighters in hauling corps
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
6038
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Posted - 2015.03.26 20:31:33 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote:gfldex wrote:Petre en Thielles wrote:I have never joined, but can't you be in something like red frog and just scout/web/etc for them until your skills are better? To be able to web them you can't have CONCORD interference. Please start a hauling corp that is setup that way and invite me to your corp. I got a Hyperion and want your cargo. low/null hauling.....
You do know you dont even need a webber...as they are useless for jump drives
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Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
126
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Posted - 2015.03.26 21:06:22 -
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J'Poll wrote:
You do know you dont even need a webber...as they are useless for jump drives
I honestly didn't realize they only used freighters. I never paid much attention. I assumed they used blockade runners/something cheaper for short/easy contracts.
No reason for that logic though, I just never put any thought into it
I am probably not the person to listen to. I have never as much as flown a jump freighter. Anything I actually move on my own is in a blockade runner or tengu |
J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
6041
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Posted - 2015.03.26 21:39:24 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote:J'Poll wrote:
You do know you dont even need a webber...as they are useless for jump drives
I honestly didn't realize they only used freighters. I never paid much attention. I assumed they used blockade runners/something cheaper for short/easy contracts. No reason for that logic though, I just never put any thought into it I am probably not the person to listen to. I have never as much as flown a jump freighter. Anything I actually move on my own is in a blockade runner or tengu
Red Frog is a (jump) freighter only system.
Hell, if you get caught using anything other then a freighter, it's instant kick from corp.
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Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded
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Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
126
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Posted - 2015.03.27 13:50:37 -
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J'Poll wrote:Petre en Thielles wrote:J'Poll wrote:
You do know you dont even need a webber...as they are useless for jump drives
I honestly didn't realize they only used freighters. I never paid much attention. I assumed they used blockade runners/something cheaper for short/easy contracts. No reason for that logic though, I just never put any thought into it I am probably not the person to listen to. I have never as much as flown a jump freighter. Anything I actually move on my own is in a blockade runner or tengu Red Frog is a (jump) freighter only system. Hell, if you get caught using anything other then a freighter, it's instant kick from corp.
Got it. I have used them a ton of times, never thought about how they operate, though. Only know I can trust them. |
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
521
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Posted - 2015.03.27 16:26:46 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Red Frog are the best
Blasphemy.
There are all our dominion
Bookmarks in overview ~ Fleet improvements
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Riel Saigo
Facta.Non.Verba
The Obsidian Front
148
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Posted - 2015.03.30 03:08:43 -
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Dedicated freighter organizations never operate as a corporation with corp members. It would be too easy for a hisec pirate group to wardec them and seriously hurt their shipping business.
For instance, Red Frog itself, only consists of administrative characters that hardly ever even undock. All of its actual shipping pilots are in NPC corps or small individual corps so that wardecs cannot target shipping operations.
But you don't have to be a part of a corp at all to run NPC courier missions. All you need is enough standing with the faction and you can run those all you like. |
Riel Saigo
Facta.Non.Verba
The Obsidian Front
148
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Posted - 2015.03.30 03:09:41 -
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Even nullsec groups never allow their hauling characters to be in the actual corp or alliance. |
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