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Alric Grimes
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.26 00:05:55 -
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Hi guys, so let me give you an idea to how far ive gotten.
So ive started with the gallente faction and ive made it as far to buy a cruiser class ship. I love PvE (specifically fighting enemy nps and engaging in space battles). I almost never PvP. Ive done missions but just random ones. My net worth is like 4 million ISK. I want to continue to do PvE. Can someone kinda just point me in a good direction to earn more ISK doing the PvE that i like (fighting) in order to buy better ships and earn more money and just basically progress in the game?
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Xercodo
Vector Galactic
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Posted - 2015.03.26 00:15:04 -
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Okay well for one you;re in the militia unless I'm mistaken.
That is a primarily PVP based part of the game. You essentially joined the Gallente military to help them take over and defend space in lowsec from the other factions who have players doing the same.
There is SOME PVE involved but all of it is in the interest of eventually doing PVP.
For PVE I'd say you have 3 main routes: - Missions - work for combat agents up to level 4 - Exploration sites - finding anoms and complexes to fight the pirate bases - A branch of this you can try is going into WHs to kill sleepers - Incursions - helping fight back against the sansha invasions. These are all fleet based and generally require some decent skills with a battleship or T2 logi cruiser before even starting.
Keep in mind though that PVE is largely a means to an end, it usually isn't the end itself. The PVE can get boring and tedious when left to itself... unless that's your thing.
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.03.26 00:57:46 -
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If you are going to be sticking around you don't necessarily need to actively seek PVP, but you do need to understand that you can't avoid it.
That being said, you should learn survival and evasion tactics, doing the faction warfare PVE will help you learn these things.
It will also provide you decent isk and discounted access to faction ships.
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2015.03.26 01:42:19 -
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If the OP is into PvE primarily is being in a fac war corp a really good idea? Or might he be better served by finding a non- fac war corp tp join? |
L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
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Posted - 2015.03.26 03:53:26 -
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Donnachadh wrote:If the OP is into PvE primarily is being in a fac war corp a really good idea? Or might he be better served by finding a non- fac war corp tp join?
That really depends on the OP. If he is ok with learning evasion tactics in low sec, there is quite a bit of PVE ISK out there.
- belts ( modus and tag spawns ) - FW missions - group lvl 5 missions - missions in general - exploration goodies - salvage
If the idea of having to react to other folk ( even if not actually fighting ) doesn't appeal, then yes, a single character tax evasion account would be best for the few months before he statistically quits out of boredom :) |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.26 04:02:38 -
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Mission running is a good starting place for PvE depending on how PvP averse you are there are other things you can do but mission running and incursions are probably the biggest PvE earning potential in high sec. Incursions while in theory early on you could run them you'd need to make some friends as they can't be soloed and most of the groups that run them regularly will want you in usually a BS with decent skills or a logi with highish skills.
You can make good isk in null sec running anomalies or through exploration and if you pick the right situation it can be with very little contact with players that are looking to shoot at you.
Wormholes can be good isk for PvE as well but it is much harder to avoid PvP in wormholes. Not impossible just takes more effort.
Null sec belt ratting can be decent isk as well but it's more of an RNG thing than anoms as you are counting on getting some lucky drops from faction spawns.
I'm not sure if minning is considered PvE but it does not involve much shooting at NPC ships more shooting at defenseless asteroids. |
Riel Saigo
Facta.Non.Verba The Obsidian Front
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Posted - 2015.03.26 04:49:45 -
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Or you could fit a warp core stabbed Venture and farm Faction Warfare complexes for loyalty points to convert to ISK. |
Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.03.26 05:27:03 -
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Riel Saigo wrote:warp core stabbed Or, he could pay attention and use a ship that's, you know, effective.
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Riel Saigo
Facta.Non.Verba The Obsidian Front
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Posted - 2015.03.26 06:22:45 -
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Oh, it was mostly a tongue and cheek jab at one of the farming tactics that I know used to really tick off FW players.
For all I know, the game mechanics don't even support it anymore, since I never actually tried faction warfare.
:P |
Null Infinity
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.03.26 09:03:40 -
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FW, as the rest of low sec is to get PvP fun, not ISK. At least from the beginning.
Go to Simela and run security missions for SoE. You will have to drop Gal mil for this. You can run L1 and L2 SoE missions in minmatar space as well, but for L3 SoE security missions you will have to go to Simela any way. After you get to +5 standing, you can go to Lanngisi and join Gal militia again. SoE LP store (you get LP for missions) is one of the best since you can always sell sisters core probe lauchners for insane money.
Or you can work for Astral mining inc. and sell nexus chips. Less money but you can stay in Gallente space all the time.
There is also possibility to work for Minmatar corps in sothern Sinq Laison (even better LP, than SoE sometimes), but it will require to accept each and every mission against amarr to utilise their LP. Your standings vs empire will be -10 in no time...
Your friends here are dotlan map How to run missions (what to tank, what to shot in what order, what kind of damage to apply) LP Store (what to convert your LP) |
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Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
3517
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Posted - 2015.03.26 09:19:48 -
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Riel Saigo wrote:Oh, it was mostly a tongue and cheek jab at one of the farming tactics that I know used to really tick off FW players.
For all I know, the game mechanics don't even support it anymore, since I never actually tried faction warfare.
:P Ohh. Gotcha. Yeah, having lived in FW space for some months, stabbed farmers were definitely annoying. Might want to keep the tongue in cheek advice elsewhere though, don't want our newbros getting into bad habits now do we .
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.26 10:30:27 -
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Question to OP, what are you going to do with all the ISK piling up in your wallet while doing PvE?
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
9171
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Posted - 2015.03.26 11:35:11 -
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Alric Grimes wrote:Hi guys, so let me give you an idea to how far ive gotten. So ive started with the gallente faction and ive made it as far to buy a cruiser class ship. I love PvE (specifically fighting enemy nps and engaging in space battles). I almost never PvP. Ive done missions but just random ones. My net worth is like 4 million ISK. I want to continue to do PvE. Can someone kinda just point me in a good direction to earn more ISK doing the PvE that i like (fighting) in order to buy better ships and earn more money and just basically progress in the game? thanks alot when you get bored of "levelling your raven" come play with the rest of us, then you will progress.
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Lost Greybeard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.26 12:12:36 -
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Exploration in low-sec will let you earn isk with about the same risk of PvP as FW, without actually forcing you to stay in the FW areas. Many exploration sites are reasonably combat-heavy for the usual ship sizes and layouts as well if you like beating on the NPCs.
As far as 'more of the same, but escalating the difficulty gradually' like a normal MMO, though, higher-level missions are about it.
I guess if you want LESS risk of PvP than high sec you could sign on with one of the deep null-sec corporations, they're mostly just stationary NPC respawn farmers. |
J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.03.26 13:13:14 -
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Azda Ja wrote:Riel Saigo wrote:warp core stabbed Or, he could pay attention and use a ship that's, you know, effective.
Uhm, technically Riel is entirely correct using your logic.
To effectively farm LP, you want a ship that can orbit a beacon (any ship will do) and doesn't get caught (Venture with it's stab bonus + low slots filled is a touch ship to catch).
Then again, at that point, you are a farmer and should just leave EVE. But that last part, is just personal opinion.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.03.26 13:18:06 -
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J'Poll wrote:Azda Ja wrote:Riel Saigo wrote:warp core stabbed Or, he could pay attention and use a ship that's, you know, effective. Uhm, technically Riel is entirely correct using your logic. To effectively farm LP, you want a ship that can orbit a beacon (any ship will do) and doesn't get caught (Venture with it's stab bonus + low slots filled is a touch ship to catch). Then again, at that point, you are a farmer and should just leave EVE. But that last part, is just personal opinion. You don't need to point a venture, just lock and pop it.
True sansa will do it though if needs be.
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Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.03.26 13:47:12 -
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J'Poll wrote:Azda Ja wrote:Riel Saigo wrote:warp core stabbed Or, he could pay attention and use a ship that's, you know, effective. Uhm, technically Riel is entirely correct using your logic. To effectively farm LP, you want a ship that can orbit a beacon (any ship will do) and doesn't get caught (Venture with it's stab bonus + low slots filled is a touch ship to catch). Then again, at that point, you are a farmer and should just leave EVE. But that last part, is just personal opinion. True, but you shouldn't be getting caught in a FW plex if you're not looking for a fight anyway. Minimum range 360 degree d-scan, anything pops up? GTFO. The warp stabs and using a Venture can work of course, but isn't optimal. It provides a player with a large margin for error of course (didn't alt tab back to EVE in time), so "farmer" type playing as you put it. I'm assuming the OP wants to play the game though, not afk farm LP, in which case a stabbed Venture is suboptimal.
TL;DR: I agree, the OPs activity level will dictate whether it's a valid choice or not. Assuming the OP wants to actually play the game, I find it's a suboptimal choice.
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Syrilian
Ascending Angels
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Posted - 2015.03.26 13:56:41 -
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J'Poll wrote:Azda Ja wrote:Riel Saigo wrote:warp core stabbed Or, he could pay attention and use a ship that's, you know, effective. Uhm, technically Riel is entirely correct using your logic. To effectively farm LP, you want a ship that can orbit a beacon (any ship will do) and doesn't get caught (Venture with it's stab bonus + low slots filled is a touch ship to catch). Then again, at that point, you are a farmer and should just leave EVE. But that last part, is just personal opinion.
Aww, J'Poll I thought you liked me :P. Seriously though, I am mostly a farmer at this point unless I am in a fleet. I simply do not have the skills to engage in solo PVP at this point.
So till then, I farm. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.03.26 14:01:32 -
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Syrilian wrote:J'Poll wrote:Azda Ja wrote:Riel Saigo wrote:warp core stabbed Or, he could pay attention and use a ship that's, you know, effective. Uhm, technically Riel is entirely correct using your logic. To effectively farm LP, you want a ship that can orbit a beacon (any ship will do) and doesn't get caught (Venture with it's stab bonus + low slots filled is a touch ship to catch). Then again, at that point, you are a farmer and should just leave EVE. But that last part, is just personal opinion. Aww, J'Poll I thought you liked me :P. Seriously though, I am mostly a farmer at this point unless I am in a fleet. I simply do not have the skills to engage in solo PVP at this point. So till then, I farm. Well you're never going to learn farming now are you.
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Syrilian
Ascending Angels
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Posted - 2015.03.26 14:07:23 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Syrilian wrote:J'Poll wrote:Azda Ja wrote:Riel Saigo wrote:warp core stabbed Or, he could pay attention and use a ship that's, you know, effective. Uhm, technically Riel is entirely correct using your logic. To effectively farm LP, you want a ship that can orbit a beacon (any ship will do) and doesn't get caught (Venture with it's stab bonus + low slots filled is a touch ship to catch). Then again, at that point, you are a farmer and should just leave EVE. But that last part, is just personal opinion. Aww, J'Poll I thought you liked me :P. Seriously though, I am mostly a farmer at this point unless I am in a fleet. I simply do not have the skills to engage in solo PVP at this point. So till then, I farm. Well you're never going to learn farming now are you.
Oh I have learned plenty. And its not that I am adverse to getting into fights. If I am in a fleet, I am all for fighting. But one of the things I have learned about PVP is part of it is knowing when to fight and right now that is not often. |
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Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.03.26 15:38:28 -
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If you really don't want to PVP I suggest you leave faction warfare (quit the militia). Being in the militia makes it so that other players can attack you without consequence, even in high-sec.
As for stabbed LP farming, it is hardly riveting gameplay and is usually not done as a "main" activity, but rather on a tabbed alt for some free cash. It's basically on par with afk mining or killright farming. IE if you do it you are the worst kind of human and will be treated as such by everyone.
You should check out the Sisters of Eve epic arc, if you like missions. You can get started by talking to Sister Alitura in the system called Arnon. There are also plenty of combat exploration sites to do which can be quite lucrative, even in highsec. Try scanning for DED sites and do some of the easier rated ones (google the names for details).
Some of the highest level PVE can only be done in fleets (upper class wormhole sites, incursions, level 5 misisons). I would suggest you work toward that goal if PVE is your thing. EVE is a social game and the people are the content. Most people playing on their own never make it past the first few months. So get out there and make some friends doing the things you want to do. You may even find your goals shift over time as they introduce you to new things. When I started I wasn't much interested in PVP. Now it's accounts for the vast majority of my game time.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.03.26 16:00:18 -
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Syrilian wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Syrilian wrote: So till then, I farm.
Well you're never going to learn farming now are you. Oh I have learned plenty. And its not that I am adverse to getting into fights. If I am in a fleet, I am all for fighting. But one of the things I have learned about PVP is part of it is knowing when to fight and right now that is not often. thats fair, suppose ill take you off my "to do" list then
(old war in case anyone was wondering)
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Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.26 16:08:19 -
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@OP there's nothing too complicated, Just repeat after me:
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.03.26 20:28:33 -
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Syrilian wrote:J'Poll wrote:Azda Ja wrote:Riel Saigo wrote:warp core stabbed Or, he could pay attention and use a ship that's, you know, effective. Uhm, technically Riel is entirely correct using your logic. To effectively farm LP, you want a ship that can orbit a beacon (any ship will do) and doesn't get caught (Venture with it's stab bonus + low slots filled is a touch ship to catch). Then again, at that point, you are a farmer and should just leave EVE. But that last part, is just personal opinion. Aww, J'Poll I thought you liked me :P. Seriously though, I am mostly a farmer at this point unless I am in a fleet. I simply do not have the skills to engage in solo PVP at this point. So till then, I farm.
And with that attitude you will never be ready.
Amount of SP does not make you a good solo PvP player, experience does.
A new player can be VERY good at solo PvP if he wants it and puts effort into it.
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Syrilian
Ascending Angels
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Posted - 2015.03.31 19:10:39 -
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J'Poll wrote:Syrilian wrote:J'Poll wrote:Azda Ja wrote:Riel Saigo wrote:warp core stabbed Or, he could pay attention and use a ship that's, you know, effective. Uhm, technically Riel is entirely correct using your logic. To effectively farm LP, you want a ship that can orbit a beacon (any ship will do) and doesn't get caught (Venture with it's stab bonus + low slots filled is a touch ship to catch). Then again, at that point, you are a farmer and should just leave EVE. But that last part, is just personal opinion. Aww, J'Poll I thought you liked me :P. Seriously though, I am mostly a farmer at this point unless I am in a fleet. I simply do not have the skills to engage in solo PVP at this point. So till then, I farm. And with that attitude you will never be ready. Amount of SP does not make you a good solo PvP player, experience does. A new player can be VERY good at solo PvP if he wants it and puts effort into it.
I think I have a different definition of what a farmer is than most people do. What I meant is that right now I pick and choose my battles, which with the skills I have now I flight more than I fight. I am not afraid of fighting, I just don't want to engage in a fight I know I am going to lose.
As an aside, got my first solo kill last night.
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Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.03.31 19:28:59 -
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Syrilian wrote: As an aside, got my first solo kill last night.
This explains your thread in GD .
Congratulations!
o7
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L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
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Posted - 2015.03.31 19:47:38 -
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Syrilian wrote: .... As an aside, got my first solo kill last night. ....
Congratulations!
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Bastion Arzi
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.31 20:13:54 -
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Sometimes when there's nothing much going on I foray into low to find some pew pew.
After spending time liking for a decent target nothing pisses me off more than to find out he's stabbed.
It truly makes me sad.
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Phig Neutron
Rubicon Cubism
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Posted - 2015.03.31 22:13:38 -
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Donnachadh wrote:If the OP is into PvE primarily is being in a fac war corp a really good idea? Or might he be better served by finding a non- fac war corp tp join? I'm not so sure! I do PVE in lowsec and 0.0, and I think it makes it a lot more interesting (not to mention lucrative -- love those LP rewards). The OP is probably getting really good at moving fast, doing the sites fast, and getting away slippery. |
Syrilian
Ascending Angels
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Posted - 2015.03.31 22:51:11 -
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Azda Ja wrote:Syrilian wrote: As an aside, got my first solo kill last night.
This explains your thread in GD . Congratulations! o7
Thanks! Yeah, I was surprised honestly and how it happened was kind of weird which is why I was looking for it on killboard to be honest. But I digress from this post, I will stop arguing with you guys about farmers because like I said previously I think I have a different definition of what a farmer that yall do. I don't equip stabs or anything like that, just my fight or flight response is tilted toward flight when doing solo. |
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