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murder one Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.22 23:36:00 - [1] With the upcoming ship HP increase, will drones be getting another 50% HP increase as well? If they don't then drone ships will be at a considerable disadvantage in longer fights due to their opponents having more time to pop their drones. Personally I don't look forward to losing two or three Hammerhead 2s at 1.8-2.5m EACH per engagement. Because I said so...
Cmdr Sy Off Balance Sheet Entity	Posted - 2006.10.22 23:38:00 - [2] Erm. Good point.
Epsilon 1	Posted - 2006.10.22 23:39:00 - [3] ** no. Originally by:** Tuxford Ah yes the Amarrians. Now bear with me apparantly I don't play Amarr or have ever heard of them, I read it on the forums. NGE act 2.
Epsillon Out Of Exile Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.22 23:52:00 - [4] The though of Heavy T2 Drones with more armor than an old, pre-HP buff cruiser scares me. Ergo, fantasic time to train Drone Durability V! _____________________________________________
FFGR Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.22 23:57:00 - [5] Quote: Personally I don't look forward to losing two or three Hammerhead 2s at 1.8-2.5m EACH per engagement. If you don't like the price use t1. _____________________________ siggys v. 0.5
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.10.22 23:58:00 - [6] Originally by: Epsilon 1 **** no. That would be my reaction to a 50% HP increase for ships. So if we're doing that, we may as well balls up drones too.
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2006.10.23 00:06:00 - [7] Sure as long as smartbombs get a 50% damage increase.
Tyler Lowe Minmatar DROW Org Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.23 00:14:00 - [8] Originally by: Audri Fisher Sure as long as smartbombs get a 50% damage increase. QFE J.A.F.O.
Nyxus GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.10.23 00:16:00 - [9] Originally by: Audri Fisher Sure as long as smartbombs get a 50% damage increase. Actually, last time drones got a massive hp increase smartbombs didn't get buffed, so they owe for this one AND the last one. 100%+ smartbomb buff please. If not, 50% more range and 50% more damage will do as well. Nyxus Originally by: Tux The thought of a missile spewing armor tanking cool black looking ship makes me happy in the pants
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.10.23 00:34:00 - [10] Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 23/10/2006 00:35:56 Originally by: murder one With the upcoming ship HP increase, will drones be getting another 50% HP increase as well? If they don't then drone ships will be at a considerable disadvantage in longer fights due to their opponents having more time to pop their drones. Personally I don't look forward to losing two or three Hammerhead 2s at 1.8-2.5m EACH per engagement. Actually its the other small drone bay ships that will be hurt most... Domi/Vexor ect all have space to fit spares. Domi can carry many spare heavy drones. Vexor is more limited. Typhoon can squeeze in some spares to. Compare this to a Geddon/Mega with its 125m3 drone bay which can fit 5x heavies, once they have gone thats it, so if you want spares you have to use mediums. Pest has 75m3 so can fit 5x medium drones and either 2x spares or 5x light drones. I'd say keep it how it is, and test the effects.... but then I hope the whole hp boost thing is scraped. If anything it might make drone ships not use lots of NOS and just rely on there drones but also use turrets which they have a bonus for. ------------------------- Originally by: "Lord Violent" EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
murder one Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 02:33:00 - [11] Originally by: FFGR Quote: Personally I don't look forward to losing two or three Hammerhead 2s at 1.8-2.5m EACH per engagement. If you don't like the price use t1. That's like saying "only use T1 guns". It's just not an option. Ever. Because I said so...
Tasty Burger	Posted - 2006.10.23 02:56:00 - [12] Sure, if they remove the stupid "in and out" instarepair cheat.
murder one Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 03:40:00 - [13] Originally by: Tasty Burger Sure, if they remove the stupid "in and out" instarepair cheat. what instarepair? regening the shields? Because I said so...
Clone runner	Posted - 2006.10.23 03:51:00 - [14] drones might not need 50% more hitpoints but fighters do they arent that hard to kill now with ships having more hp it will be easy to pop a few warp to somewhere while repping , pop another etc
Dragerest Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.23 04:00:00 - [15] Originally by: murder one Originally by: FFGR Quote: Personally I don't look forward to losing two or three Hammerhead 2s at 1.8-2.5m EACH per engagement. If you don't like the price use t1. That's like saying "only use T1 guns". It's just not an option. Ever. t2 drones are cheap, maybe you just suck at eve ________________________________________________________ For your tech 2 needs www.evetrust.com
FawKa Gallente Old Farts The Phantom Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.23 05:52:00 - [16] Originally by: Mila Prestoc I'd say keep it how it is, and test the effects.... but then I hope the whole hp boost thing is scraped. Lol, right.. and it will only take CCP two years to fix it again. anyways, Murder does have a point. If we 'drone masters' were able to shoot your turrets, I bet you would beg for a buff to 'turret HP' to. but its just like every time something new pop's up. Drone users are left behind for 4 patches.
Cycerin Strikebeam Gallente House of Tempers	Posted - 2006.10.23 06:00:00 - [17] I think drones should get a little durability boost.
Mr Bondy Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 14:04:00 - [18] Finally a new spin on the HP increace This is one aspect i expect many people have overlooked - and as a drone user i can say id like to see a nice little boost to drone hp too
Marcus Alkhaar Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2006.10.23 14:14:00 - [19] Originally by: FawKa Originally by: Mila Prestoc I'd say keep it how it is, and test the effects.... but then I hope the whole hp boost thing is scraped. Lol, right.. and it will only take CCP two years to fix it again. anyways, Murder does have a point. If we 'drone masters' were able to shoot your turrets, I bet you would beg for a buff to 'turret HP' to. but its just like every time something new pop's up. Drone users are left behind for 4 patches. you forget that the "drone masters" got a bonus to turret hardpoints too the drones are only "half" the damage option a droneship user got, though they might deal more damage in specific combat scenario. btw. isnt drones just a secondary weapon on the ships which dont got a drone bonus? Originally by: darth solo I dont blame XS, tbh if i was in there shoes i wouldnt fight us either, its like bringing a caldari mountain sheep to fight a gallante war wolf(u like how i kept that in character
Old Geeza The Retirement Home	Posted - 2006.10.23 14:28:00 - [20] Please god no, they're hard enough to shoot down as it is. Please remember that drone boats have high slots for turrets too. Just because you refuse to fit turrets in them isn't an excuse to ***** about one of your weapon systems being a bit vulnerable to pew pew. Before the drone changes it took 4 smartbomb cycles to pop a heavy. Now it takes over 8. _______________________________________ Sign the petition against jump queues!
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.23 14:30:00 - [21] Maybe a small Drone HP increase, then? Say, 25% rahter than 50%? Without any change, they're essentially getting a 50% nerf, which is a bit undeserved to be honest, seing as theyre not THAT overpowered to begin with. Maybe a 25% nerf is more manageable ,though. -----------------------------------------------
Old Geeza The Retirement Home	Posted - 2006.10.23 14:33:00 - [22] Originally by: Patch86 Maybe a small Drone HP increase, then? Say, 25% rahter than 50%? Without any change, they're essentially getting a 50% nerf, which is a bit undeserved to be honest, seing as theyre not THAT overpowered to begin with. Maybe a 25% nerf is more manageable ,though. Drone users seem to be under the impression that drones should be virtually impossible to shoot down, when that is supposed to be one of the weaknesses of drones _______________________________________ Sign the petition against jump queues!
FawKa Gallente Old Farts The Phantom Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.23 14:41:00 - [23] Originally by: Marcus Alkhaar Originally by: FawKa Originally by: Mila Prestoc I'd say keep it how it is, and test the effects.... but then I hope the whole hp boost thing is scraped. Lol, right.. and it will only take CCP two years to fix it again. anyways, Murder does have a point. If we 'drone masters' were able to shoot your turrets, I bet you would beg for a buff to 'turret HP' to. but its just like every time something new pop's up. Drone users are left behind for 4 patches. you forget that the "drone masters" got a bonus to turret hardpoints too the drones are only "half" the damage option a droneship user got, though they might deal more damage in specific combat scenario. btw. isnt drones just a secondary weapon on the ships which dont got a drone bonus? Mmm You are right, drone users got turrets to use aswell. Infact I dont agree with you that there are any 'drone roled' ships. The Dominix primary weapon is still turrents, is it not? Maybe we dont use that 25% dmg to hybrid turrets we trained for but thats our own fault. I still want another drone bonus than hybrid dmg. Anyway, The domi is okay with the drones because of the bonus, but the other ships that has a great need of drones will have problems after this change - like the megathron. I agree that 50% might be a lot tho, 25% would do.
Old Geeza The Retirement Home	Posted - 2006.10.23 14:44:00 - [24] I'm not sure how the maths work out, but how about adding +50% hitpoints to regular drones and remove the +50% hitpoint bonus from drone ships? _______________________________________ Sign the petition against jump queues!
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.23 14:51:00 - [25] Lol, yeah- you ever tried flying medium drones against a ship witha smartbomb? Its hard enough keeping them alive for a whole fight now, if fights were 50% longer you'd be screwed. EG: Vexor user meets Caracal user. PvP ensues. Vexor can carry 5 medium drones, with 2 spares. Caracal can carry 5 launchers with many many missile rounds (unlimited, for the sake of this fight's length). In this case, the caracal has 4 launchers and one smart bomb. Vexor launches drones, Caracal launches missiles. Drones start shooting, and taking damage. Caracal down to 75% shield. Down to 50% shield- and the smartbomb pops the drones (5 t2 drones = about 10million isk of damage). Vexor is now defenseless, and (due to (very sensible) WCS nerf) has no WCS- is scrambled. Vexor sits and watches as Caracal takes his time blowing up his ship, maybe going and making a cup of tea mid-battle, there being no rush. Thats good, how? Sounds like a pretty hefty drone nerf. And drones already have enough problems; yes they free up highslots, but thats only one thing. They can't snipe, they have effectively anti-alpha (as it takes about the length of a gun cycle for them to even get into range and start firing), and are a big cash risk to use. You wouldn't dream of equipping a turret / launcher rack worth 10 million if you knew there was a good chance of you losing it every battle you go into. Drones getting popped in battle is meant to be a risk and a possibility, not a certainty and an "I win" button against drone ships. -----------------------------------------------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.23 14:54:00 - [26] Originally by: FawKa Originally by: Marcus Alkhaar Originally by: FawKa Originally by: Mila Prestoc I'd say keep it how it is, and test the effects.... but then I hope the whole hp boost thing is scraped. Lol, right.. and it will only take CCP two years to fix it again. anyways, Murder does have a point. If we 'drone masters' were able to shoot your turrets, I bet you would beg for a buff to 'turret HP' to. but its just like every time something new pop's up. Drone users are left behind for 4 patches. you forget that the "drone masters" got a bonus to turret hardpoints too the drones are only "half" the damage option a droneship user got, though they might deal more damage in specific combat scenario. btw. isnt drones just a secondary weapon on the ships which dont got a drone bonus? Mmm You are right, drone users got turrets to use aswell. Infact I dont agree with you that there are any 'drone roled' ships. The Dominix primary weapon is still turrents, is it not? Maybe we dont use that 25% dmg to hybrid turrets we trained for but thats our own fault. I still want another drone bonus than hybrid dmg. Anyway, The domi is okay with the drones because of the bonus, but the other ships that has a great need of drones will have problems after this change - like the megathron. I agree that 50% might be a lot tho, 25% would do. Heh heh, the Domi doesn't have the PG or CPU to fit a decent turret rack. If it did, then we'd be laughing- but it isn't designed for decent turrets, being a Drone ship. -----------------------------------------------
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.10.23 14:54:00 - [27] Originally by: FawKa Originally by: Mila Prestoc I'd say keep it how it is, and test the effects.... but then I hope the whole hp boost thing is scraped. Lol, right.. and it will only take CCP two years to fix it again. You failed to quote (or just ignored) my reasoning. Like I said, maybe having to use your turret slots/bonus and spare drones would be a good thing. The problem is those who can't fit lots of spares but still rely on there damage such as a Typhoon. And the cost of them isn't an arguement for balancing them, that is a marktet balancing issue. I could argue with the extra HP my ammo should be reduced in cost cos i'm going to have to use a lot more to kill things.... ------------------------- Originally by: "Lord Violent" EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
Old Geeza The Retirement Home	Posted - 2006.10.23 14:56:00 - [28] Originally by: Patch86 Vexor is now defenseless Except of course, for the fact it has 5 high slots and a hybrid turret bonus. _______________________________________ Sign the petition against jump queues!
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.23 14:59:00 - [29] Originally by: Old Geeza Originally by: Patch86 Vexor is now defenseless Except of course, for the fact it has 5 high slots and a hybrid turret bonus. You'd struggle to fit all 4 turret slots with anything larger than dual 150mm, and many setups would only leave you room for small turrets. Try breaking a caracal tank with that -----------------------------------------------
Marcus Alkhaar Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2006.10.23 16:57:00 - [30] Edited by: Marcus Alkhaar on 23/10/2006 16:58:05 Originally by: Patch86 Edited by: Patch86 on 23/10/2006 14:56:34 Originally by: FawKa Originally by: Marcus Alkhaar Originally by: FawKa Originally by: Mila Prestoc I'd say keep it how it is, and test the effects.... but then I hope the whole hp boost thing is scraped. Lol, right.. and it will only take CCP two years to fix it again. anyways, Murder does have a point. If we 'drone masters' were able to shoot your turrets, I bet you would beg for a buff to 'turret HP' to. but its just like every time something new pop's up. Drone users are left behind for 4 patches. you forget that the "drone masters" got a bonus to turret hardpoints too the drones are only "half" the damage option a droneship user got, though they might deal more damage in specific combat scenario. btw. isnt drones just a secondary weapon on the ships which dont got a drone bonus? Mmm You are right, drone users got turrets to use aswell. Infact I dont agree with you that there are any 'drone roled' ships. The Dominix primary weapon is still turrents, is it not? Maybe we dont use that 25% dmg to hybrid turrets we trained for but thats our own fault. I still want another drone bonus than hybrid dmg. Anyway, The domi is okay with the drones because of the bonus, but the other ships that has a great need of drones will have problems after this change - like the megathron. I agree that 50% might be a lot tho, 25% would do. Heh heh, the Domi doesn't have the PG or CPU to fit a decent turret rack. If it did, then we'd be laughing- but it isn't designed for decent turrets, being a Drone ship. EDIT: didn't mean CPU, it does have lots of that, it's the PG where it is lacking. Compare 9000 MW with Megathron's 15500MW. Hay, Di-tron heavy industries, pod pilot - not all ships are meant to have their biggest guns fitted with a dual rep tank and mwd + heavy injector, like the megathron I'm a Gallente battleship commander myself and I have no struggle fitting my weaponry and armor tanking modules on either of those 2 Battleship vessels. Originally by: darth solo I dont blame XS, tbh if i was in there shoes i wouldnt fight us either, its like bringing a caldari mountain sheep to fight a gallante war wolf(u like how i kept that in character

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