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Throne of Games
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.03.28 18:21:03 -
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Been playing Skillqueue Online for I can't even think how long any more. Have toyed with the idea of just selling it all on the bazaar and starting over fresh with a large bank, like an inheritance that grandfather passed on when he left.
Have any of you actually ever done this? Toyed with the idea? How'd it go for you if you did so? |
Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2245
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Posted - 2015.03.28 19:06:59 -
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Toyed with the idea a couple of years ago. A few people I know have actually done it. It hasn't made them enjoy the game any more, incase that is what you are trying to figure out.
Starting from scratch entirely can be quite fun, like... Give away everything except for a noob ship and 5k ISK to an alt and see what happens ^^ |
Noriko Mai
2121
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Posted - 2015.03.28 19:07:41 -
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I would never sell my character. It's like selling my soul.
"Meh.." - Albert Einstein
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stoicfaux
5545
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Posted - 2015.03.28 19:16:14 -
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Noriko Mai wrote:I would never sell my character. It's like selling my soul.
Wal-mart sells souls. I normally wait for the post-Easter sale to pick up a replacement.
Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8148
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Posted - 2015.03.28 19:18:38 -
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Quote:Ever just sold it all and started over with a large bank? I do it all the time. It's how I make most of my ISK.
Only not with a character. I have up to six at a time training for up to a year or more that never even undock. Best passive income in the game, in my opinion.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
1001
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Posted - 2015.03.28 19:24:57 -
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I've thought about it, but hey, I really like my main so don't think I'd ever actually do it. maybe sell an alt, but I like them too. I've started a few new characters and every time I do that, or think of doing it, I just miss the flexibility a certain level of SP brings. I remember how painful it was training weapon upgrades to 5 while running lv3s in a drake as a rookie. Heck even now I have trouble playing my 100+ mil sp alts, as Chainsaw is just a bit ahead in SP
I think my main benefit would be liquidating all my assets. I have so much stuff just everywhere.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Jack Hayson
Atztech Inc.
Ixtab.
124
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Posted - 2015.03.28 19:43:37 -
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What would be the point in doing that?
You would have tons of ISK for buying shiny ships but no character that could fly them. |
Flaming Butterfly
Black Serpent Technologies
Black Legion.
4
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Posted - 2015.03.28 20:15:23 -
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yes, did that twice. both times because EVE took over everything.
Sometimes you gotta put the ***** in check and let her know who is in charge.
https://youtu.be/b-pcFLs3TM0 |
Violet Hurst
Fedaya Recon
43
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Posted - 2015.03.28 20:16:02 -
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Now and then i get this idea of loading up a venture with blueprints and holing up in a certain lowsec system, never to leave it, using the modules i can find or build myself. But soon after it usually dawns on me that playing a hermit in an mmorpg is kinda ridiculous, also i've practiced saying "You kids get off my lawn!", but i can't seem to get it right. |
Serene Repose
2514
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Posted - 2015.03.28 20:24:35 -
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"Interesting misapprehension" underlying this OP. The assumption being how much ISK you got...if you've done this any length of time, it's the SP, stupid. It's the SP. You'd have to really have a good reason to dump a significant amount of skill points. Screw the ISK. That comes and goes. SP? Heh. If you don't know by now, you'll figure it out....
eventually....hopefully...
or not. 
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to type on your keyboard and remove all doubt.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
894
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Posted - 2015.03.28 21:46:11 -
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I did a couple of asset cleanups in the past, but that's all. Selling all of my stuff except for a couple of ships I use every day and starting over (so to speak). It makes sense when you're moving from one play style to some other. It's the best of both worlds: you keep your SP and ship type flexibility and fill up your bank considerably. |
Amarrchecko
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2015.03.28 22:10:14 -
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Serene Repose wrote:"Interesting misapprehension" underlying this OP. The assumption being how much ISK you got...if you've done this any length of time, it's the SP, stupid. It's the SP. You'd have to really have a good reason to dump a significant amount of skill points. Screw the ISK. That comes and goes. SP? Heh. If you don't know by now, you'll figure it out.... eventually....hopefully... or not.
He knows he would have a ton of isk if he sold stuff. He knows he wouldn't have any skillpoints if he sold his characters. That IS what he is talking about. |
Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
191
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Posted - 2015.03.28 22:12:24 -
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Consider it all the time...
89.5m SP.
35b
anyone? |
Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
12330
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Posted - 2015.03.28 22:13:16 -
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Yeah, it's called "Test Leadership Syndrome".
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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SeenButNotHeard
Perkone
Caldari State
168
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Posted - 2015.03.28 22:18:11 -
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My word, this forum is really degenerating fast just to get likes.
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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co.
Brave Collective
315
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Posted - 2015.03.28 22:19:15 -
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No. |
Olivia Alcott
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.03.28 22:20:15 -
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I was a player who made a lot of money buying and selling characters on the Bazzarr, I eventually traded my way up to a character with 150 million skill points, who could fly pretty much everything in the game with decent fits.
Though I was happy at the time I always just thought "but this character isn't really mine"... felt like I was renting it and that I hadn't earned it.
So I sold it and all the other characters I had amassed to sit on a large sum of ISK and start over. It's funny, because If I had just kept playing one character since I started I would have been at least 130 mil SP by now and it would've been mine.
But now I have a character with about 1 million skill points, a fat wallet and I'm no happier. All I think about now is "im 12 years behind the people who started on release :("
So I'm just lost, forever wandering in the void of space and time with a lot of ISK and no SP to fly the things I want to fly. Maybe I will just buy another character again...   |
Jonas Kanjus
Hessian Expectations
15
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Posted - 2015.03.28 22:31:30 -
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Throne of Games wrote:Been playing Skillqueue Online for I can't even think how long any more. Have toyed with the idea of just selling it all on the bazaar and starting over fresh with a large bank, like an inheritance that grandfather passed on when he left.
Have any of you actually ever done this? Toyed with the idea? How'd it go for you if you did so?
Yes, I have done this several times over the past decade. My last toon sold earned me 15 billion isk. |
Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
116
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Posted - 2015.03.28 22:46:43 -
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No amount of isk is worth starting over the SP grind.
ßòª( -í° -£-û -í°)ßòñ Hi, I'm Blob and I like to Blog.
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Memphis Baas
264
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Posted - 2015.03.28 23:02:19 -
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Done it 3 times, basically after returning from 1- or 2-year breaks. I usually do it because I feel disconnected from characters that I haven't played in a long time.
Starting over is somewhat annoying, because as a veteran you get used to having all the core and support skills trained already, and as a newbie you must spend several months training up stuff to unlock various ships or weapons that you want to use. CCP has made it much much faster in the past few years, by getting rid of the learning skills and also by reducing the prerequisites on a lot of T2 modules from having the skill at 4 to having the skill at 3.
Another thing is the ISK that you can get from characters; as posted above, there's a whole team of character traders, and they can only make the kind of money they're talking about if they buy cheaply and sell overpriced. Compared to the cost of a subscription (based on the value of a PLEX), you always lose when you sell, and when you buy, a character. On top of it, ISK devalues with time; for example 6 billion ISK 4 years ago was a fortune, now it's almost chump change.
Finally, recent and future changes to the game may dissuade character trading. Clone grades are no longer in the game, so you no longer lose a fortune if you get podded with 150m SP vs. only 15m SP, so it no longer makes sense to stop training or to start low-SP alts for frigate combat for example. Any upcoming nerf to capital ships will probably slash the prices you can get for capital pilots. And finally, if CCP ever implements skillpoint reallocation, it will probably make sense to keep your character and just reallocate your points, instead of selling.
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Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
235
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Posted - 2015.03.28 23:19:53 -
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Throne of Games wrote:Been playing Skillqueue Online for I can't even think how long any more. Have toyed with the idea of just selling it all on the bazaar and starting over fresh with a large bank, like an inheritance that grandfather passed on when he left.
Have any of you actually ever done this? Toyed with the idea? How'd it go for you if you did so?
Kind of, sold everything but 3 ships (one per char), 5000 missiles, and a missile bp. Gave away the rest. Very liberating.
GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½
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Aphsala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2015.03.28 23:36:32 -
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Sell the glorious mess that is my main character? good heavens never, i love that character |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
339
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Posted - 2015.03.28 23:50:06 -
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Gimme Sake wrote: No amount of isk is worth starting over the SP grind.
But but skill points don't matter! |
Ravasta Helugo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
331
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Posted - 2015.03.29 00:07:36 -
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I thought about it. Always end up not doing it.
It's just that my main can do SO MUCH that would take absolutely forever to train up again. Ignoring weapon and ship skills (which I lack diversity on, and that's why I get tempted) I would need to train fitting skills, mobility skills, support skills, tanking skills, industry skills, social skills...
It would just be faster to train them on my main. |
Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
118
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Posted - 2015.03.29 00:08:36 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:Gimme Sake wrote: No amount of isk is worth starting over the SP grind. But but skill points don't matter!
Good observation skills!
ßòª( -í° -£-û -í°)ßòñ Hi, I'm Blob and I like to Blog.
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Hedion's oracle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
89
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Posted - 2015.03.29 04:52:47 -
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Jack Hayson wrote:What would be the point in doing that?
You would have tons of ISK for buying shiny ships but no character that could fly them.
One reason is a bad employment history, not much else, pointless really.
Error: Working As intended
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Scarlett-Rose
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.03.29 10:40:47 -
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It's something I've done, and something I have both enjoyed and regretted with equal measure.
My first character (from launch in 2003) was deleted when I first quit EVE in what was genuinely it's darkest hour (early 2004) - the low numbers and huge bugs drove numbers down significantly in the early days, when peak was only 5-6k players at best, and I was convinced it was over.
My second character (2004-2005) came a while later, returning sheepishly, behind my brother and friends on SP but otherwise content. I played too much, too fast, too hard. I burned out when I realised it was taking more time and effort to make corp profits than I was putting in to my actual real world job.
After another break, I was back (2006), this time, I wanted a complete change of direction, I wanted to focus on Amarrian RP, and damn, my old Minmatar null-sec character wasn't going to cut it. He was sold, and I started over. This is one move I've never regretted, even losing the SP, I met the greatest bunch of people in my Amarrian NPC starter corp. We gelled, it fit, EVE became the social MMO I always hoped it would be. We formed a corp, we went from newbie miners to successful freighter manufacturers. I stayed for over 3 years.
Ultimately, I took another break though, this time for real life - I met and married a wonderful woman, kids came along, I stayed away from EVE for nearly 5 years, before returning once more last year.
This time, I haven't sold or deleted my old character, but it is something I am tempted to do each time I log in with him. He has SP, but I have few connections to the game through him. The people I knew have long ago left. What we achieved together is long gone. Flying as my old character has its benefits, but it also feels vaguely.... wrong. He is a misfit now, he doesn't fit my new goals or my new vision of EVE. It has been a frequent temptation to sell him and start over.
To a degree, I have, I have started this alt account and tried to re-live that newbie experience. It isn't easy rebuilding those skill points, starting over when I know I can log in to my main account and jump in to almost any ship. But that feels somehow like. cheating. I have the isk from my past, mostly sat in my wallet doing very little. I log my old main in and have tried to do things with him, he certainly can earn isk more easily, but the satisfaction isn't there. I don't know why.
I feel like I'm looking back in a wish to relive a newbie wonder and fascination that faded over a decade ago, but EVE isn't the same game and nor am I the same person. Pragmatically I should just embrace the SP of my past, it would help me do more. But somehow, I just can't shake of that temptation to sell him off and keep pushing this new character instead. |
Throne of Games
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2015.03.29 13:22:06 -
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Thanks for everyone who posted about their experiences or urges. For those who wonder why the hell anyone would entertain a thought like this, or are insistent it's because of dubious employment record, it's 1 simple reason. EvE isn't what it was for me in 2004. I could beat EvE for life and just uninstall and never log n again but before that, I'd like to make one last attempt to find something that makes me want to continue playing.
Starting over as a newbie. where even if I just used the 50~ billion isk I'd get from selling off things, and dump it into plex subs, leaving myself with 10mil isk on a fresh character seems to be close to the only thing left of the ideas I've thought about. |
Torviak Sandman
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.03.29 13:25:18 -
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Hello,
I understand you are not happy with the Skill Q shange, but I dont like to log into the forums and listen to you rant.
Dear ISDs please take measures against the offender!
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Throne of Games
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2015.03.29 13:25:59 -
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Torviak Sandman wrote:Hello,
I understand you are not happy with the Skill Q shange, but I dont like to log into the forums and listen to you rant.
Dear ISDs please take measures against the offender!
What's the skill Q change? |
Torviak Sandman
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.03.29 13:26:12 -
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Torviak Sandman wrote:Hello,
I understand you are not happy with the Skill Q shange, but I dont like to log into the forums and listen to you rant.
Dear ISDs please take measures against the offender!
Reminder ISDs have to do their job properly.
<-------- This thread is obvious rant |
Vilnius Zar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
1084
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Posted - 2015.03.29 13:28:26 -
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I've done it many times, I'm in fact selling this one heh. It doesn't necessarily make sense but sometimes I get bored of a character. |
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
4194
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Posted - 2015.03.29 14:01:52 -
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I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it.
The Rules:
12. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a support ticket under the Community & Forums Category.
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Dominique Vasilkovsky
BFG Tech
227
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Posted - 2015.03.29 18:10:20 -
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I sold my original main, still undecided if it was a bad idea or not.
Dominique Vasilkovsky EVEboard
Once known as:
Mashie Saldana sold - Anastasia Rigel sold - Monica Foulkes sold
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Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
664
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Posted - 2015.03.29 18:23:05 -
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Amarrchecko wrote:Serene Repose wrote:"Interesting misapprehension" underlying this OP. The assumption being how much ISK you got...if you've done this any length of time, it's the SP, stupid. It's the SP. You'd have to really have a good reason to dump a significant amount of skill points. Screw the ISK. That comes and goes. SP? Heh. If you don't know by now, you'll figure it out.... eventually....hopefully... or not. He knows he would have a ton of isk if he sold stuff. He knows he wouldn't have any skillpoints if he sold his characters. That IS what he is talking about. Let's have one big derp! DERP. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. I hope you were elevated one IQ point in the process.
The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
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Veld God
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.03.30 01:38:10 -
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Gimme Sake wrote: No amount of isk is worth starting over the SP grind.
This. All that days sitting useless at station etc.
It remembers me the first days of eve with 1 month of Learning Skills semi afk Rookie Ship Spinning. Never ever. |
Natalia Abre-Kai
7
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Posted - 2015.03.30 07:01:14 -
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Four times, does not bother me too much. It's pretty fun depending on what you are doing. |
LordSwift
Swift Enterprise's
46
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Posted - 2015.03.30 07:53:01 -
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Could never fathom selling this toon. 127mil sp. it will die with me when i go, probably the servers will die first.
Mal: "If anyone gets nosy, just...you know... shoot 'em. "
Zoe: "Shoot 'em?"
Mal: "Politely."
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Isalone
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
57
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Posted - 2015.03.30 13:06:47 -
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Selling all your items won't solve anything - you'll end up buying most of the stuff back shortly. If you're trying to get out of an eve burn-out, forcing yourself to do a tedious and pointless task will only make it worse.
Selling your char(s) - most of the previous answers adressed this. This isn't WOW where by starting a new char you get to experience all those noob areas once again and still are able to hit max level in 2-3 weeks. You'll die of boredom thinking "****, I can't do this or this or that - not enough sp". It's not true that SP doesn't matter. At one point more of it doesn't make a difference but there's nothing fun in trying to come up with something to do with a low SP character, especially when you're an experienced player.
I was in your situation at least 2 or 3 times. I ended up in corps where nobody logged in, tried to play absolutely by myself. I still was slowly losing interest for the game. The solution for me (a pretty obvious one, now that I think of it) was finding a group of people to play with. A group big enough to always have at least a few friends online to do stuff with. A group of people who enjoy the same things you do. I never stopped looking until I found my "endgame".
Never tried FW? Go for it. Never lived in a high class WH? Look for a decent sized corp that does. Join a NPSI fleet. Gank a hulk in hisec. There are people out there who do it on a daily basis. Keep looking and you'll find it.
Good luck |
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
299
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Posted - 2015.03.30 14:36:46 -
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Noriko Mai wrote:I would never sell my character. It's like selling my soul.
It's the names for me. All of my characters have names I use over multiple games going back to my first MMO. If this character could become Gallente Citizen 12345 and I could shift the name, I'd be more likely to consider the Skill sheet an asset and put it up for sale. |
Mara Villoso
Long Jump.
107
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Posted - 2015.03.30 19:17:35 -
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I used to train characters for sale way back when. At some point, I started using the trainees for things. I've had 4 sets of "mains" over time. I keep one set for sentimental reasons. The others I trained up and used for various projects/purposes, then sold them and bought other, lower skill point characters, which I then trained, used, sold, rinse/repeat. Sometimes it's just better not to have all the baggage of one character/existence following you around and limiting your ability to participate in other areas of the game. Over time I've belonged to a bunch of the various sov holding alliances and done all sorts of things with other groups that I probably would not have been able to do if they had ever been aware of who I was in a previous incarnation.
Go ahead and start over. Just don't start from scratch on a new character. Buy one. Best way to build a story for yourself is to have a character training that you "just started the game with" and then you "saved your ISK up from grinding and sold some PLEX" and bought a better character, then your "original" main becomes your alt. You need to be able to point back to an "original" character because some organizations won't take you if they see all your characters are bought. They'll wonder where the ISK came from.
Have fun trying something new with new people. Or maybe turning "evil." That can be refreshing (but it's never as much fun as you hope it will be). |
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