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Brady
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Posted - 2006.10.23 15:33:00 -
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I agree with the upcoming ECM changes, but please please make drones work before doing this. Currently if you're jammed before launching your drones they won't attack the target..surely they should split up and attack aggressors? (This needs to be applied to fighters aswell). Although the drone/ fighter owner shouldn't be able to direct the targets as they're jammed.
This would stop the scorp being winzor, as one ship can't stand up to drones long. There would need to be a few of you.
Could always implement drone jammin? ECM bursts anyone?
Also please fix the message pop up so gang m8's can see who is jammin who. Currently the pop-up lasts about .5 of a second if it does appear. When you're being shot/ shooting the messages on screen go way to fast (transparent list on screen idea?).
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Masta Killa
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.23 15:36:00 -
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Since when did scorps win at anything? --------------------------------------
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Lucian Corvinus
Gallente Expert Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.23 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Brady I agree with the upcoming ECM changes, but please please make drones work before doing this. Currently if you're jammed before launching your drones they won't attack the target..surely they should split up and attack aggressors?
Why??
So you want drones to be a win button against ECM. drone ships should suffer the same as all the other weapon types do.
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.10.23 15:40:00 -
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Yes, lets make drones even better.
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starship enginer
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Posted - 2006.10.23 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Masta Killa Since when did scorps win at anything?
ptff
one times scorp = 8 times geddon consta jamed with a ecm dmg mod
what more do you want, one ship jams 8 and can still do damage and nosf
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.23 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lucian Corvinus
Originally by: Brady I agree with the upcoming ECM changes, but please please make drones work before doing this. Currently if you're jammed before launching your drones they won't attack the target..surely they should split up and attack aggressors?
Why??
So you want drones to be a win button against ECM. drone ships should suffer the same as all the other weapon types do.
QFT... there is absolutely no need to change how drones work.
If anything, they should actually stop attacking when you get jammed. Launching them before or after getting jammed shouldnt matter. Currently it does matter though, and you should be grateful that you at least have a chance to use your primary weapon system (as gallente) even when someone has jammed you.
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Brady
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Posted - 2006.10.23 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Old Geeza Yes, lets make drones even better.
Don't recall saying anything about making drones better.
Only that they work the way intended. This used to work, but stopped about 18 months ago cos of a patch and was never fixed.
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Brady
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Posted - 2006.10.23 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Lucian Corvinus
Originally by: Brady I agree with the upcoming ECM changes, but please please make drones work before doing this. Currently if you're jammed before launching your drones they won't attack the target..surely they should split up and attack aggressors?
Why??
So you want drones to be a win button against ECM. drone ships should suffer the same as all the other weapon types do.
QFT... there is absolutely no need to change how drones work.
If anything, they should actually stop attacking when you get jammed. Launching them before or after getting jammed shouldnt matter. Currently it does matter though, and you should be grateful that you at least have a chance to use your primary weapon system (as gallente) even when someone has jammed you.
Caldari can still use its priamry weapons system..FOF's?
Drones used to work in the same way...god knows what will be attacked but it will be something thats aggressing you.
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Lucian Corvinus
Gallente Expert Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.23 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Brady
Caldari can still use its priamry weapons system..FOF's?
Drones used to work in the same way...god knows what will be attacked but it will be something thats aggressing you.
FOF are a joke they never work as intended, and btw they are only available for light, heavy and cruise missiles. They are however not available for rockets, torpedos, citadel torpedos or the soon-to-come heavy assault missiles.
Imo drones should, as Jim stated, lose lock if the controlling ship got jammed, so yes this is something tux ought to implement, but not drones being controllable when jammed.
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Masta Killa
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.23 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: starship enginer
Originally by: Masta Killa Since when did scorps win at anything?
ptff
one times scorp = 8 times geddon consta jamed with a ecm dmg mod
what more do you want, one ship jams 8 and can still do damage and nosf
Have you ever even flown a scorp?
If you think 1 scorp can jam 8 bs's at a time then maybe you should consider actually trying the ship out. --------------------------------------
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Vladimir Norkoff
Crimson Knights Trade Federation Thundering Mantis
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Posted - 2006.10.23 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: starship enginer one times scorp = 8 times geddon consta jamed with a ecm dmg mod
what more do you want, one ship jams 8 and can still do damage and nosf
Wow.. Can I fly your scorp??.. I mean you must have some sort of super special scorp skillz to be able to perma-jam 8 other BSs at once and pwn them all.. Bet you fly that thing all the time.. Dude you rock!
Maybe you should try using ECM before offerring an opinion on it?.. A racial jammer on a Scorp with max skills is gonna have only a 60% chance to jam a cruiser.. Against a BS it has about 40%.. If those BS pilots had even a remote sense of a clue they'd fit ECCM and the chance to jam would drop to about 20%.. And that's for RACIAL jammers mind you, NOT multispecs.. Multispecs would drop down to 25% w/o ECCM, and 15% with it.. Oh yes, the scorp pwns all..
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Nahia Senne
Fortunis Novum
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Posted - 2006.10.23 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff Wow.. Can I fly your scorp??.. I mean you must have some sort of super special scorp skillz to be able to perma-jam 8 other BSs at once and pwn them all.. Bet you fly that thing all the time.. Dude you rock!
its called ECM "damage mod", you noob. you can fit 4 ya know, instead of 4 stabs you would fit b4 they got nerfed, noob
and i bet ecm "damage mods" wont even have stacking penalty until a year or two later.
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Louis DelaBlanche
Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.23 20:25:00 -
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from a plausability perspective, I think fighter's should be able to attack if the controlling ship is jammend but normal drones shouldnt (if they havent already been given orders). This being because fighters are effectively podless super frigates, whereas drones are just little robots that do what their told (or they should, but often they dont ).
So fighters should, in theory, be able to operate independantly of their pod pilot controller (although that would be really annoying at times) & thus be able to operate when your ship is jammed. But normal drones, being just drones, shouldnt as their operating relies on pod pilot input & if you havent ordered them to attack, then they shouldnt be able to.
It would be nice if they did attack unordered when ur ship is jammed. & im sure if they implemented they can be explained. But as it stands this is how i see it from a perspective of how their behavior can be explained. Of course since drones & fighters (officially being drones although if they were real im sure the pilot inside wouldnt appreciate that title ) & working with the same AI the same rules unfortunately apply. & tbh although its annoying i survive if im jammed n i failed to order my drones to attack. If it gets too infuriating i just warp away .
Oh, & yes perhaps using this method of explination proves my loss of grip on rality rather then actually being productive. But hey, its my 2isk...i mean cents...to the thread
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Vladimir Norkoff
Crimson Knights Trade Federation Thundering Mantis
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Posted - 2006.10.23 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Nahia Senne its called ECM "damage mod", you noob. you can fit 4 ya know, instead of 4 stabs you would fit b4 they got nerfed, noob
and i bet ecm "damage mods" wont even have stacking penalty until a year or two later.
OHNOEZ!! I've been called a noob!! Twice!.. I will never live down the shame.. *sniff*.. Wait a sec! I know wtf I'm talking about and you apparently don't..
Here's a nice little quote from the blog for you...
Quote: Step 3a: Create a new low slot module that boosts the jam strength of all ECM modules, Step 3b: Stacking nerf the jam strength attribute.
Let's say the damage mod gives +20% each (that's pretty damn optimistic).. Stacking 4 is going to give about +50% given it follows normal stacking rules.. That still means 60%/30% chance for a racial vs a battleship with ECCM/with-out if you have max skills.. And 37%/19% for a multispec.. Yeah, those Scorps are gonna pwn everything.. Once again, please do some research first..
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Veryez
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Posted - 2006.10.23 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: starship enginer
Originally by: Masta Killa Since when did scorps win at anything?
ptff
one times scorp = 8 times geddon consta jamed with a ecm dmg mod
what more do you want, one ship jams 8 and can still do damage and nosf
Post your scorp setup please. I can't seem to get mine to run 8 jammers (even racials) and 6 weapons for very long at all. Oh wait you put nos on your scorp, that leaves what 4 siege II launchers, with no damage mods built into a scorp, it does about 150 dps (I'm being generous here). Hardly enough to break a battleship tank.
The scorpion is a 1 trick pony, it can't tank or deal damage and use ecm at the same time. Complaining about it using ECM, is like complaining about the domi using drones. It has it's place in small gangs and fleets (usually being called primary) but that place isn't tanking or dealing damage.
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Phenom Fighter
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.10.23 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: starship enginer
ptff
one times scorp = 8 times geddon consta jamed with a ecm dmg mod
what more do you want, one ship jams 8 and can still do damage and nosf
You cant constantly jam someone anymore, its all chance based. You can 'Cycle' jam them a few times but there is always going to be that chance you miss the cycle.
If you had 8 Radar jammers on a scorp (incredibly unlikley) vs 8 Amarr BS (incredibly unlikley) your saying you wouldnt miss one cycle on any of the 8 BS? madness m8 honestly -----------------------------
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Nahia Senne
Fortunis Novum
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Posted - 2006.10.24 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff Let's say the damage mod gives +20% each (that's pretty damn optimistic).. Stacking 4 is going to give about +50% given it follows normal stacking rules.. That still means 60%/30% chance for a racial vs a battleship with ECCM/with-out if you have max skills.. And 37%/19% for a multispec.. Yeah, those Scorps are gonna pwn everything.. Once again, please do some research first..
a noob trying to reason against the obvious fact that everyone fits ecm, that everyone will continue to fit ecm, and that ecm is way better than all other ewar mods. so much stupidity all in one
not only that, but ecm even gets a boost on ecm boats. as if it wasnt way too good already compared to other ewar boats
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Elve Sorrow
Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.24 09:44:00 -
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Err..
The whole point of drones is that they fire when youre jammed...
It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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