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Valan	Posted - 2006.10.23 19:19:00 - [1] Edited by: Valan on 23/10/2006 19:20:45 Originally by: DuckM4n Vo take advice of your name and go die! Please I don't usually resort to this kind of thing but you started it... I'm assuming you're a person that benefits and likes the current system of buying your way ahead as you don't have the brains or common sense to play properly. Further illustrated by your inability to alter the forum settings and post with your main or post a comment within any value. If removing GTCs from the game takes people like you out of it thats another nail in the GTC coffin as far as I'm concerened. I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on.
Valan	Posted - 2006.10.24 12:47:00 - [2] Edited by: Valan on 24/10/2006 12:48:17 I see the good side to GTCs although personally I hate them. But after reading some of this I suddenly realised I don't PVP in anything but tech1 anyway. If you can't win in tech1 then you need all the help you can get. But I think sellers should be registered and sales limited. One to control abuse and secondly to prevent people from taking it to the extreme where you can run an alliance, buy a Titan or a T2 BPO, purely funded by GTC sales. EDIT: The reason they're bad for EVE is that battles are won through attrition in EVE. If you can replace everything you lose in an instant then you're unbeatable. Hence its cheating, its esentially god mode. I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on.
Valan	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:04:00 - [3] Originally by: Death Kill I've given this some though. Considering that the average EVE player is (IIRC) 27 years old thats not really a valid argument. I doubt that applies anymore. In fact I'm sure it doesn't. My money would be an average of 17 now. I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on.
Valan	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:50:00 - [4] People like yourself aren't the problem. Its the ones that launder isk by selling GTCs out of game. Its also those taking it to the extreme. Why should a group of players be able to sell GTCs to hold multiple constellations in 0.0? They can't be beaten as they just buy their ships with RL cash. A registration system can help those who need to play, others can earn a little isk while curtailing the abuse of the system. 9 times out of 10 constant abuse results in the removal of a system. Control it and manage it and I reckon it'll be supported across the player base, ensuring the system will stay around for ever for those that need it. Lets face it CCP could always wait until you're all hooked then remove the GTCs knowing full well you'll find a way to pay. Why give up all that hard work? I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on.
Valan	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:04:00 - [5] It does affect you if the enemy keeps whipping out a new ship every ten minutes. Kinda prevents you from taking down their POS doesn't it? Its an mmorpg what you do affects everyone else in the game. I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on.
Valan	Posted - 2006.10.25 13:11:00 - [6] Originally by: Michela PS: I haven't bought ISK or sold GTCs and don't plan to. In the future I might buy GTCs ... presuming there wasn't some else cool and nifty that I wanted to spend the ISK on. I just don't see why everyone is so up-in-arms about it. Because the system is open to abuse on at least two counts. I've left out the risk verse reward arguement that every 0.0 seller has been using to batter mission runners since missions were created. Forget the mulitple account arguement, you have to play the account and hence put in the effort. 1) You can currently run an entire unbeatable alliance off GTC sales. Giving you an unfair advantage over high end game content. 2) You can turn isk into real life cash with GTCs. Register sellers and manage the abuse. I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on.
Valan	Posted - 2006.10.25 13:55:00 - [7] Originally by: Darkrogue Honestly I dont think it affects Eve nearly as much as other MMO's. Some armor reps would cost as much as $150.00 in real life money. And if the person brings that rep into PVP it may get blown up in a matter of seconds. This goes for anything, ships, modules, implants. .....The only people complaining about this must be mission runners. Agree with the first bit. Middle bit as you say doesn't matter. Last bit is trolling. This is what I mean why sell them on ebay for RL cash? Register them keep them for the people who need them and those who cna't seem to get the hang of EVE and get rid of the abusers. Linkage I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on.
Valan	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:38:00 - [8] Edited by: Valan on 25/10/2006 16:40:46 One alliance is actually using its masses to produce isk through GTC sales. Which is not a level playing field and not in the spirit of the game. Basically these aren't guys who couldn't play without GTCs these are players who normally pay cash but the alliance is getting them to buy GTC from the alliance itself. The difference in the deal gives them a profit in isk so they can buy capitals and POS. Cheating on a small scale doesn't really bother the community at large, 2000 cheating people does. The reason I'm against reselling GTCs for RL cash is because it aids the macro farmers. Instead of risking a ban on ebay they're circumventing ebay and using GTCs. I think the general consensus on these boards is that the ebaying macro miners are bad. CCP have given them a backdoor. Also people who purchase GTCs from ebay are not covered and people do buy them. CCP ban these guys for ebaying and farming so we should prevent them from laundering isk using GTCs. Register sellers close the loophole. I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on.
Valan	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:37:00 - [9] Originally by: Sojuro Ryosaki How the heck does selling GTCs for isk help macroers and farmers? Are you a complete moron? The farmers convert the proceeds into isk and buy GTCs. They can then sell the GTCs on ebay or a private site. For instance I have 10 billion isk, I buy a bundle of GTCs then sell them for real cash easy, I haven't broken the Eula have I? So whats the point in banning anyone for ebaying why is one legit and the other not? Occasionally the buyer gets scammed because it is an out of game transaction. Its been stated numerous times how it works I would like the loop hole closing and all GTC trading brought into CCPs control. So back to your original statement:- How the heck does selling GTCs for isk help macroers and farmers? Answered for the tenth time. So to the second of your statement:- Are you a complete moron? Nope because I knew the answer to the question. So you don't read posts properly or you're trying to divert attention by flaming. So that makes you the moron or ebaying trash. I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on.
Valan	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:39:00 - [10] Edited by: Valan on 25/10/2006 22:40:08 Originally by: Sojuro Ryosaki OK, 1 more time for the reading impaired. player1 BUYS WITH RL MONEY a GTC from CCP. Player1 then sells GTC to player2 for isk. This means that player1 is paying for player2's account for the time of the GTC. So, player2 pays player1 isk for the appreciation of player1 taking care of his account. Thats an example of a good transaction that isn't that big of an issue. Thats a lamer helping a poor person. Thats not what I have a problem with as such as its cheating sanctioned by CCP. So its you thats reading impaired as its the type of transaction above I would like prevented. I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on.
Valan	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:41:00 - [11] Originally by: zeKzn If you'd bothered to do any research at all, macroers do not get their money that way. They farm isk and then sell it for irl cash DIRECTLY, for whatever their prices are (probably at a better conversion rate than GTC -> ISK or else nobody would buy from them). GTCs dont come anywhere near their operation except possibly to pay for their accounts, which I could decide if I could be arsed to do the math. Mostly yes but not always. Although ebay GTC sales have suddenly vanished. I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on.

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