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Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:26:00 - [1] Well, I guess that's what you get for failing to POS up in Creek after struggling for N7 and F2A and coming to help in DG- and KZF- rather than running key logistics to bring POSes . With little left to fight for, what can you do but pull out and go rebuild in empire. Not to worry, both V and LV fighters will remain well respected by the rank and file in KOS -- you guys have tought us much and we've had some great fun fighting along side each others. Politics are what politics are. Funny ERA didn't get a dec while KOS did :-). Have fun, and best of luck LV, V, CHIMP, RA, Imp and Goons.
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.23 23:43:00 - [2] Originally by: c0rn1 And sorry shadoo, it has to come that way. You loyalty speaks mountains and I'd rather have you on my side of the fence than on the other side but I guess that's not going to happen anytime soon. Regards c0rn1 Don't worry c0rn, I take it this is part of the alliance game and I have never had problems havign a friendly pint with an ingame enemy before and I sure as hell won't start know. Much respect -V- and LV, hope we can still muster up some kind of a fight for you guys at least. As someone said on forums a while back that stucked to my mind -- "it's better to Burn and Die than Never to Burn at all". I will enjoy burning where we stood, thou the folks holding the torch aren't the ones I ever thought they would be .
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 00:36:00 - [3] Let's be clear -- Q-GQ was lost because of KOS, not because of LV or V. I am sure they would have backed up us again, would yielding dreads in Creek be feasible with current state of the hamsters. All I can say is we did our best and this time with the morale and isk, it just wasn't enough. However -- the information the defected CEOs who talked to you after a meeting held just minutes after negotiations was either 1) wrong on purpose 2) misunderstood. At no point did I ever hear that LV and V was going to be -10 in the meeting I and the CEOs were part of. Yes, there were heated words about LV's lack of assistance with the current situation, which was quickly in chat channel corrected by me to say there's nothing LV CAN do to help with current game mechanics. But as far as my sh*tty dialup currently allowed me to listen, at NO point was -10 tabled. Yes, we should have talked to you first. But the offer afaik was extended and delivered literally minutes before the CEOs meeting took place. You may or may not choose to believe me on this, what's done is done and there's no point crying over spilled milk. -- Good fight tonight, makes a difference trying to fight with overview filled with blue (20min change on standings ftl). Thank you Nebba for making it very clear to me who to shoot at by those lovely yellow boxes among the sea of blue. Does this mean I can have red candles too?
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 01:30:00 - [4] Originally by: HankMurphy stop drinking the punch man until you figure out what they've been putting in it Trust me, Nebba knows EXACTLY what he's putting in his punch and it's aaaaaalllll gravy man . Please sir, can I have some more?
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 02:22:00 - [5] Originally by: Zaphod Jones does this mean we can get out ticker back now ? Where did "respect the dead" go? Do you want my stuff as well?
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 02:41:00 - [6] Originally by: Skape Gote Edited by: Skape Gote on 24/10/2006 02:25:11 Originally by: HankMurphy Edited by: HankMurphy on 24/10/2006 02:01:10 we didn't conspire to loose our station. we didn't conspire to attack you, ever. and how is withdrawing from our lost system DOING SOMETHING TO YOU!?!?!? Simple question, if it was no big deal and there was no chance of conspiration with RAGOON then why do all this behind our back? Why no talk with LV and V re an exit strategy? AFAIK -- the deal to pull out is offered on Sunday evening (station was going to be lost within days), details finalized there and then, just moments before the "senate" meeting. Senate is told what the deal is so they have first say on the matter. In the meeting I recall that LV will be notified immidiately after the closed door discussion. 15 minutes after meeting, while still in after meeting convos, LV convoes KOS after a disgrundled CEO has gone and told a tale to LV. I do not know what went on in that discussion except that an alliance mail was sent out which very clearly says there will be no negative standings to LV. Perhaps when you eventually do discover the thruth, you'll war dec the parties that mislead and lied. So -- what's done is done, nothing to say but "have fun and good luck".
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 03:09:00 - [7] Let's not be bitter or rude my friend Plazmalord (thou I'm sure folks understand some hurt feelings here). o/
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 03:31:00 - [8] Edited by: Shadoo on 24/10/2006 03:34:31 Originally by: c0rn1 Just admit that it was your goddamn misstake with frickin RA in front of your doorstep to ignore OWN setup rules. And you can also admit that you never talked to anyone of us that you had a strategical NAP with RaGoon so you could move your stuff out. I set the record on this in the thread already. Originally by: c0rn1 You never wanted to fight and were sloppy on the POS side. Further neither LD nor I had ever a message of you in my mail nor an excited KOS HC member in our TS asking for support as I DID when we needed the help in Q-GQ and I was in KOS at that time. Actually, we knew what was coming because -V- FC who was in the joint FCs channel kept us informed. -V- even sent a quick fleet when RA+Goons started moving towards Creek to intercept, they got few straggler kills. There were few LV FCs in the same channel and the joined intel channel was spammed pretty well as well. Anyway, that's neither here or there. With 200 support, Nyx, several dreads and 2 Freighters @ 3AM EVE time -- everyone knew there was nothing to be done to prevent the POS anchoring. Or anything that could be done there after.
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 11:22:00 - [9] Well, unfortunately the thread seems to have gone to the tinfoil hat territory. As a last comment, all I can say is that the communication works both ways, I never had trouble to move our folks to support LV near DG- and V in KZF. Using KZF as an example, we knew LD was too busy to accept convoes, so we contacted an FC instead and coordinated. KZF lead finally to a common FCs channel to be formed that helped KOS a lot to pull as many ships from the station as possible thanks to the ~20min warning with -V- scouts following the convoy in that channel. If you knew the top of the tree was out of reach, why not try a branch lower down the tree instead. Ah well, what do I know about politics -- I just follow the red minuses. Good luck to our friends in LV (especially Major Tarsis -- your help will always be remembered) and -V-. Good luck also to RA and Goons -- all politics aside, the moment you saw what was happening, your guys stopped shooting people pulling out in Q-GQ and moved to support our remaining fighters instead against a LV gank squad. Let's pew pew.
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:01:00 - [10] Originally by: Major Tarsis I actually heard this was going to happen before the 'Senate/CEO' meeting happened. MJ my friend, the only thing I scratch my head for still is -- if you obviously knew what the plan was -- you surely knew that the plan didn not involve to regroup in empire and come fight -V- and LV nor to set them negative. Ah well, part of the mystery of 0.0 alliance politics I presume... It is fascinating to watch and observe.
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:22:00 - [11] Originally by: LV RANK AND FILE " T H E K E Y " No matter how many times you say it, it will not unlock my Chastity Belt. Only Nebba has the R E A L K E Y.
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:49:00 - [12] Edited by: Shadoo on 24/10/2006 15:54:26 Edited by: Shadoo on 24/10/2006 15:50:54 Originally by: Khorin D'tael am I missing something? Posting with your main?
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:18:00 - [13] Now, now Plazma. Let's not be offensive or bitter. -V- was fighting on the other side, we had to jump in to help. I ordered the jump, thou I knew the system would lag us the worst (last ones to load syndrome) -- but you go in to help your friends in a fight. It was fun, for the 7x11 slugs I got to shoot.
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.27 11:13:00 - [14] Pfft. This thread has degrated to "he said, she said" bunch of nothingness and worthless spinning for PR. Drama value is now 0, Nebba isn't even eating any candles anymore. Some KOS corps will go, join perhaps old friends, some KOS pilots will go, perhaps join old friends. KOS itself however is going away from Wicked Creek -- and we take our most stubborn, committed and valued pilots. With our pilots we take lessons learned from our respected enemies RA and Goons. We also take lessons learned from our respected partners for the last 9 months, -V-, CHIMP and LV. We will go and rebuild, restock and refresh. Then we will then give our most stubborn, committed and valued pilots a new worthy challenge, which does not involve any of our old friends or foes from the past 9 months. Time will tell if we succeed or try again. This is all. Good luck -V-, CHIMP, RA, Goons, Imp, LV. Thanks for all the fish.

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