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Many sources have convincingly described your corporation as a Dark Empire collaborator and piratical quisling outfit.

Biomass consider Crice a trused "friend" and supplier and supporter.

This is sufficient for the NVA to consider your people and ships KOS and valid war targets for future reprisals.

You must stand by the consequences for your actions m'dear.

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Sarah, your corporation is referred to as a Dark Empire "ally" by Biomass in several unclassified comms, and at least one classified intel source. Your ships have been seen cooporating with known Biomass allies.

If you have appeared wrongly on these lists you need to ask questions about why Biomass and the Dark Alliance consider you an ally.

NB.

I would point out at this stage that the NVA and our allies are actively searching for connections between the pirates of the Dark Empire/Biomass alliance and supportors and friends both pirate, and ostensibly legal.

As was our practise in the Taggart war, we will be pressing military attacks against those who support our enemies.

If there is ambiguity in your relations with Biomass and the Dark Empire (and) you do not wish to be targetted by our irregular forces, then it is up to your corp to distance your business from the theatre of operations and place clear blue water between your interests and theirs.

Consider carefully which set of friends will serve you best.

These pirates and allies are currently a fairly dominant force in Northern Lonetrek.

This may not always be the case,

And if they oneday leave it will be the quislings and collaborators that are left to pay the price in blood for their deprivations.

Choices need to be made.

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Sarah, your corporation is referred to as a Dark Empire "ally" by Biomass in several unclassified comms, and at least one classified intel source. Your ships have been seen cooporating with known Biomass allies.

If you have appeared wrongly on these lists you need to ask questions about why Biomass and the Dark Alliance consider you an ally.

NB.

I would point out at this stage that the NVA and our allies are actively searching for connections between the pirates of the Dark Empire/Biomass alliance and supportors and friends both pirate, and ostensibly legal.

As was our practise in the Taggart war, we will be pressing military attacks against those who support our enemies.

If there is ambiguity in your relations with Biomass and the Dark Empire (and) you do not wish to be targetted by our irregular forces, then it is up to your corp to distance your business from the theatre of operations and place clear blue water between your interests and theirs.

Consider carefully which set of friends will serve you best.

These pirates and allies are currently a fairly dominant force in Northern Lonetrek.

This may not always be the case,

And if they oneday leave it will be the quislings and collaborators that are left to pay the price in blood for their deprivations.

Choices need to be made.

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heres the way i see it.


Crice are on the KOS list because they help biomass, and im sure they are allied with them with mining and sorts as iv seen them together in local quite alot.

Although crice arent pirates, i still think they should be a target for NVA.

Got nothing to do with me, as im allied with no1, but just thought id say.

(crice, it was that mail u sent me way back that made me wonder, correct me if iv got the wrong impression).

Not sure about PAK, just think they are another smallish pirate corp trying to make a living.

good luck NVA, u will always have our support.

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Crice, if we had let EveGHSTs join when they wanted to, by now they would have secure forum access, mil command access and WarmechMJ would have access to fleet command information.

His treachery might well have cost a dozen loyal members of the NVA their ships and caused a billion isk hit to the alliance.

So yes,

We hold corporations accountable for their membership.

If you are interested in joining the NVA then make sure your traitors are well and truly shaken down and shown the door.

And for EveGHST's I would say this.

KOS in this instance means we don't want to see your ships in our territory, not that we will make a point of hunting you down.

If you want to see this made good then you need to punish WarmechMJ extensively from your own resources.

And Crice, as I said to you last night,

Your collaboration with Biomass Cartel disqualilfies your corporation from moral standing. Your decisions are your own, but you do not profit from the actions of the greatest murderers of innocent shipping in Eve and then come here with any sort of right or platform to condemn the actions of others.

You have stated your position - morally neutral on the actions of Biomass and happy to profit from the relationship. You therefore have no right to make moral judgements on the actions of others.

Love and peace

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Anyway since this dicussion has caused such hilarity already, here is the full public list, which may also be viewed at the NVA forums in the public section.

New Venal Alliance:

Members List

[BLADE] Bladerunners
[C.C] Cult of Cthulhu
[CDI] Cyberdyne Industries
[CPDS] Copiae Dius
[DI] Draconic Industries
[FGH] Fighters of Heineken
[INF] Infinicorp
[JERIC] Jericho Fraction
[LUMMA] General Snus
[KIA] KIA Corp
[MDI] Manifest Destiny Inc.
[OI] Oberon Incorporated
[OCC] Occassus Republica
[ROHAN] Riders of Rohan
[RKK] Reikoku
[RONA] Rona Corporation
[TWC] The Whitesand Consortium

Military or Industrial Allies

[BBBB] Big Bang Burger Bar
[BSC] British Space Corp.
[CAR] Carbide Industries
[CON] Conman Enterprises
[C-C] Cryogenic Consultancy
[DCINC] Dreamcatchers Inc.
[EVO] Evolution
[HDY] Hadean Drive Yards
[GODS] Generals of Destruction Syndicate
[LUCA] Lucri Causa
[PID] Pardon Inc
[PAIN] The Pain Syndicate
[SWC] Solar Wind
[T-N-T] Tahiti Twisters
[TWB] The Wolf Brigade
[XAN] Xanadu

Enemy (Corps) War Status KOS - Engage freely

[10KAD] Crusaders 10000AD
[BM-C] Biomass Cartel
[CRICE] Crice Corporation
[CRUIS] Mercenary Cruisers
[FRIG] Mercenary Frigates
[GHSTS] Eve's Ghsts
[HOOD] Hooded Figures Inc
[JOKER] Jokers Corp
[MOO] MOO
[NOVA] Terra Nova Corp
[PAK] PAK
[RAVEN] Ravens of Valhalla
[SPVD] Space Invaders
[TDG] Tundragon
[TLBC] The Legitimate Businessmans Club
[VALK] Valkyrie Enterprises
[ZOMB] Zombie Inc

Unknown ships in Venal:

Venal and the northern regions are closed to non-NVA non Military Ally shipping.

Thank you for listening. Any enquiries or issues please contact me or another council member in-game.

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Enemy (Corps) War Status KOS - Engage freely

[10KAD] Crusaders 10000AD
[BM-C] Biomass Cartel
[CRICE] Crice Corporation
[CRUIS] Mercenary Cruisers
[FRIG] Mercenary Frigates
[GHSTS] Eve's Ghsts
[HOOD] Hooded Figures Inc
[JOKER] Jokers Corp
[MOO] MOO
[NOVA] Terra Nova Corp
[PAK] PAK
[RAVEN] Ravens of Valhalla
[SPVD] Space Invaders
[TDG] Tundragon
[TLBC] The Legitimate Businessmans Club
[VALK] Valkyrie Enterprises
[ZOMB] Zombie Inc

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*sigh* Coming home from my vacation from the labs and reading this news after the 'I'm leaving to try out pirating'-mail from WarMech makes me feel so comfy :). I know that I frequently 'research BPs to death' but surely hope this doesn't count against my corp.

Naw.. sarcasm aside. ;)

I think this reaction, despite the obvious security concerns, a bit harsh. I guess with a bit more restricted access, for begining members (meaning applying corps here), to your channels with sensitive informations sure would lessen the potential damage that could be done by fresh members of the NVA. Even with those measures you could never be totally sure of the loyalty of any of the corps that are members of your alliance. As with every corp taking in new members, an alliance takes risks because of the simple fact that you don't know the applicant from the first day on but get to know him over time.
In this case judging a corp by the actions of one of his members, who felt the itch in his palms to try out pirating, would be the same as judging every new pilot to the vast reaches of EVE by the actions of one of those scammers that take out corp hangars and disappear to be never seen again - resulting in you never wanting to recruit any new members to one of your corps or even placing them on your KOS list.

In later as in the first case you normally judge the individual and pursue him. This way it is normally done.


As a last comment, I want to make clear, that this was my very personal opinion on that matter.

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Edited by: Rizmordan Hillgotlieb on 05/11/2003 20:50:01
Understood... thanks. I'll be in contact.



(Just finished putting the 2nd coat of wax on the old Dominix while at Lai Dai station in Torrinos)

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I agree with lara--calling Jade a hypocrite because of something on the NVA list of Allies & Enemies is like calling Ted Kennedy a Republican because the U.S. Congress is pursuing a generally Republican agenda.

Your attacking of Jade really is getting old. Jade is a PR Rep and a council member. She has always been a vocal leader, but NVA is a democracy.

I know you want the world to believe that NVA is Jade's baby, and that she rules by edict. Nothing could be further from the truth. Jade can generally handle herself in these little flame wars, but I want to set the record straight.

A gripe with NVA policies is a grips against the NVA, and *****ing to Jade about it accomplishes nothing.

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Edited by: sExI bEaSt on 06/11/2003 17:25:50
*Clap* *Clap* *Clap*

I see alot of play acting on behalf of Jade, WarmechMJ and Eve's Ghsts. The posts are brilliant, I would believe it all too...but its not real.
WarmechMJ is a NVA spy, I dont need to prove it to you all, because I know it for the truth..proving so would just endanger my own spy network.
Good work War, I see you are now entertaining Bio-mice, when they find out that you have double crossed them, your days in comfort will be over.

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I wouldn't Doubt it! I am going to Venal this weekend to see what all the fuss is about. What do they have up there that makes that area sooooo cool. I guess I will find out. I bet 50Mill in ISK they don't KOS me. Are there 10K bistot rocks up there or something?? ME LOVE MEGA!!!!

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Crise come and try i will be happy to take that 50mil of your hands.

Also crise, i think its a shame you are sending your corp on a selfdestruct course.

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Crise come and try i will be happy to take that 50mil of your hands.

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Or, come in a Raven and we'll take 90-some-odd mil off your hands

Sorry, I had a moment of sillyness there. Forgot you Crice guys only go into combat with 45 Dork Empire pilots to hide behind

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Cormyat, It really doesn't sound like the NVA is a democracy. They are more like a federation that is governed by an oligarchy.
A rather inept one at that.

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Because a random selection of space-poltroons united in a piratical alliance that can't find the right jump-hole with both hands and a teamspeak connection is such an expert on representative government?

Biomice ... fantastic combatants and accomplished gate gankers all, just don't ask them for the directions to the next system over or you might miss the turning to the war.

;)

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On the note of exploration in venal, that was posable befor you bio friends invaded and forced us to close it for sercurity resons, you can read the resons and the warnings in some other places on these forums.

It only reflects badly on your self as ceo of a good midsized corp that you are not aware of these things.









These post are not helping you case crise.

I am sory you still dont get it.

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well starting new anti-nva corp and was scouting for office, no office space in torrinos went through gate in non valuable speedy ship and BAHM!!! oh and if anybody wants to they can help me fund a new anti-nva pirate corp, help the little guy

DOWN WITH NVA!!!

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Okay, as former CO-CEO of Crice Corp I feel that I should respond to this post and clarify some issues.

1. Yes i mined base ore for the construction of Scorpion battleships, which I knew were being sold to pirates. I however, only knew that we had a NAP with them in that since we built ships we were not to be attacked.

2. I did NOT know that Crice was a member of the Forsaken Alliance Council. As soon as i found this out, i promtly LEFT crice corp of my own free will and took with me all those members who did not wish to be part of that alliance (contrary to Crice's earlier post). The fact that Crice says he doesn't know who is in the alliance, may be true as from the time i spent mining for base ore, they sounded VERY disorganized (I was allowed to monitor the semi-public alliance channel so as to "announce" my comings and goings).

3. None of the members who left with me are pirates, none of them have done any PVP, with the exception of myself in the SAD War. They are mostly the newbie players who were in Crice Corp and had no idea what was going on, but did not want to be KOS for something they didn't do.
(Ironically we are now KOS for the forsaken empire )

4. I don't see why i need to "hide" from anything, I haven't done anything wrong and neither has my new corp. I am sorry to hear you think CCP is dying...personally i think it will survive.

5. Crice you have made the choice to back the Forsaken Alliance, I chose to leave as soon as I found out where you intended on leading the corp. I was fine with building and selling ships as that is just manufacturing, BUT YOU crossed the line when you started to aid the alliance in attacks and military operations. Furthermore you did so WITHOUT the consent of the CO-CEO or many of the directors. Also, the FDZ team (under your command) was responsible for attacking innocent people in 0.0 space. My base ore team did NOT know of these atrocities until much later, but when I learned of them I decided enough was enough and that is why i left.

I hope that this helps you, the readers of this forum, to see that my corp and myself, while having built ships for the alliance (A deal that was struck up by Crice, and was blindly followed by me [A mistake I will not make again]) do not deserve this obviously flamming tactic by a now openly known pirate. We left when we found out his intentions. If people can rip off a corp, i would argue a CEO can lead a corp down the wrong path and it is the responsibility of those in power to stop him as I have tried to do.

Sincerely,

Levia
CEO The Delirious Conspiracy

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Holy Sh1t Crice!!!
WTF?!?!? I just joined you to get out of Biomass, you didnt tell me we were at war. OMG FFS What am I gonna do?

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This is like the space Jerry Springer show;)

Talk about right on the button! Our suspicions about Crice turn out to be pretty damneed accurate after all. And what a shower of weasels.

Seriously, Leviathanie is the only one who comes out of this with any credibility since she didn't go on record with a catalogue of utter fabrication and bare-faced lying in the public forum like Crice did.

Crice you really make me laugh, I think its possible you are the least upstanding member of the galactic community!

Having spoken to me privately for literally hours you maintain a continous barrage of lies;

It made no difference that I wasn't buying, you kept begging for NAP with the NVA ... kept scamming and kept wriggling.

And that sob story about Biomass podding one of your guys for a warning?

Rubbish too I assume?

Lol, its almost too funny.

And as for the pathetic sight of biomass alts coming on here to support each others arguments ... guys ... grow up and realise that agreeing with yourself in a different voice and piccy doesn't make your argument any more valid.

Alts suck.

And you suck to.

Love and peace

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NVA should have HUFF as KOS, those megatrons you all fly pop so easily

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Chris, one question ...

Who are Biomass again?

Love and peace

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