The two ships are still way to overpowered. I feel fairly confident that when the other two tech 3 destroyers are released CCP will make another "balance" pass at this class of ship. When that happens the ships really should lose another 15pg and 5 cpu. Also reduce that damage bonus to 30%.

'Cause if this is still the guideline for how all ships supposed to be, then t3d still need more work.

I said it earlier and I'll say it again, I predict when all four ships are released these ships will receive another balance pass.

That's because T3's have not been fully balanced yet. Barely been touched at all, really.

Okay posted this elsewhere first because i simply could not find this thread.

What am I suppose to do with the second high utility slot? Anyone please a hint would be nice. I tried Nos and Nuet, neither really added anything to my arty svipul what with me being out of range for the one and the other draining my cap faster then most of what I want to kill. And logi stuff is for logi ships I can't be asked to orbit and rep with my one small shield/cap transfer that has no ship bonuses. Probes go in the first but what is the second good for.

I am seriously tempted to put a bomb on there I have no idea why maybe hypothetical drones but its the only option at this point.

CCP all will be forgiven if you take that extra high and move it to mid for Svipul and low for Confessor.

I had to switch from passive to active tank to fit in the arty so I suddenly have a cap problem. I tried the neut but did not like how fast I ran out of cap myself. And small smartbombs are really not very good 3km 60 damage every 7.5 sec at max skill. The most effective use I have found is if you get the timing exactly right you can take out a missile and it annoys light drones. But again uses my cap I would rather be saving for hardeners and boosters.

I think most fits are going to just leave it as a heat break as it stands.

Confessor]
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Small Armor Repairer II
EANM II
Small Armor Repairer II

10MN Afterburner II
Small Capacitor II (Navy 400's)
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I


Dual Light Beam Laser II
[Empty High slot]
Dual Light Beam Laser II
Dual Light Beam Laser II
[Empty High slot]
Dual Light Beam Laser II

Small Ancillary Current Router II
Small Ancillary Current Router II
Small Ancillary Current Router I

No Implants
Dps= 311 to 7.2 /9.7 (navy multi)
Speed = 1313m/s (prop mode+link=2679 m/s)
Resist= 69 59 65 75 (Def Mode+link= 84 79 82 87)
Sig= 60 (def mode+link= 26)
Tanks= 190 Dps per 3.4 sec

CPU= 19/225
PWG= 8.3/112.7

By comparison (with 1 Heat Sink II) using 4 Small Focus Beam Lasers II with navy multi dps is 373 and with Small Focus Pulse Lasers II with conflags dps is 396. I believe the best weapon when fighting within 5m is the Small Focus Pulse Lasers II, but you'll need a 3% implant to make everything fit. Btw this mini brick orbits like a BS now.

Not just ewar cruisers, but T2 and faction cruisers.

And then flycatcher, lol.

That would go against the design goals for T3s. With strategic you should have a ship capable of filling multiple roles at once, while not exceeding the Specialized counterparts, similar to the current balance between T3 ewar subsystems and their T2 counterparts.

The tactical version takes the same route, but allows the changes on the fly. The problem with trying to balance the T3Ds is that they have no T2 destroyer filling similar roles, so your reference points lay somewhere between frigates and cruisers. Trying to compare them to interdictors would not be the best option since their primary role and specialization is with bubbles.

Isk/skill cost should not be the primary balancing point. It doesn't end well.

No, being T3 does not designate it as being more powerful. T3 is supposed to have flexibility as its key trait. T3 cruisers are expected to receive the same reductions once they get around to the balance.

Lol there you go again with your mediocre attempt at insulting me and or your ridiculous assumptions regading my piloting/fitting ability. And all that just because I disagree with your opinion about the T3 destroyer. Your remarks and attempted trolling doesn't change the fact the T3's need more balance and will more then likely receive said balance once the other two ships are released.

Hmm I haven't even thought about using the 1MWD on the Confessor since they're already too cap dependent unlike the Svipul. Gosh even with cheap implants and links you're only looking at around 3630 m/s in prop mode. Idk if that's fast enough for soloing when some faction cruisers hitting around the 4k mark. How's the tracking with Aurora moving at those speeds?

IMO D3 are still way too fast, and too strong for small plex, they killed diversity in FW.

I find with destroyers being the class they chose for T3 introduction, there is going to be much more of a challenge trying to balance it. There are no other ships that really fit the roles that its modes provide bonuses for. Interdictors aren't the best comparison since their primary role is interdiction, which the T3Ds do not do. Arguably they both share the same role as destroyers, firepower against frigates, but that only helps us so much. And with the recent addition of drone/missile destroyers, the destroyer line-up is all over the place in terms of specialties, while still somehow trying to be the same role, anti-frigate.

If CCP had say, chosen frigate as a T3 project, there would be much more to work with. There are distinct specialties each ship tends to have and their T2 variants offer much in the way of options for modes or subsystems.

The problem in balancing T3Ds is the lack of a reference point, leaving a very vague, grey area for them to play in, while still needing to be balanced against each other.

Not that it can't be done, but the work needed to get there is drastically more. Hopefully they will touch on all the destroyers agan in a secondary balance pass soon.

I'm actually content with the current pass on the confessor. Sure, 10mn fits are now very limited, but 1mn fits have opened up quite a bit.

So the Confessor really was OP pre-nerfed with the 10mn AB huh. And now it looks like I have to get use to using the 1mn mwd, but gosh that 1500 m/s is a bit slow and in prop mode you're still only looking at 2500 m/s(3250 m/s with links). I wish they kept the base speed intact, the agility, pwd, cpu, -30dps, and capacitor recharge rate nerfs were enough. I guess I can only use the Confessors to plow through neutral+ Effect C2 WH's and start playing around with the Svipuls for pvp.

Garmur, Navy Slicer, all ceptors, Condor, Atron, Executioner, some minmatar ones...

They will all kill that Confessor in 20 seconds - the end.

I still cannot see how the Confessor was so unstoppable that this overnerf need to happen.

And this sudden nerf has got me petrified at the thought of training for the Gallente/Caldari T3D's Because I'm beginning to believe that these T3D's are nothing more than test dummies for CCP's ultimate goal which is the complete rebalancing of the T3C's, so inevitably these T3D's are gonna be hit with another balance pass and another and another until they reach their goals. Once their goals are reached that's when the T3C's would be changed accordingly. In the meantime I'm gonna terrorize small plexes with these boys while I have the chance.