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ElCoCo
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.25 16:15:00 -
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I fully endorse this product and/or service.
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.10.25 16:18:00 -
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All the best BE.
The Javelin nerf completely sucks. The torp Raven is now useless again :(
Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
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Masta Killa
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.25 16:27:00 -
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Useless is a very strong word...
Currently when I attack an npcer he dies in like 4-5 volleys, after the nerf it'll be like 5-6 I think.
Nothing horrible but this is what it's gonna be like so we all better adapt --------------------------------------
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fireraven
Though The Darkness Black Flag Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.25 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: fireraven on 25/10/2006 16:54:46 i think this is funny. be is probly one of the most devating corp's pvsp wise in eve history going there there are only about 20 of em.. i been up against some so called awsome pvsper's that could not even fathem to be as good as they are witht hat said i lost a lot of hawks and harpy's trying to tackle be's ravens they are awsome pirates. now witht hat said the great pvsp corp i have even seen in eve was finite horizons. far as the raven nerf i been a raven pilot sicne day 1 my self got all the specs and such only real set back was wheen they dropped the new skill in on missles about 2 weeks later they was even stronger then before. good luck be u guy's are honorable pvsp'ers regardless what every one else says .
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Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.10.25 16:55:00 -
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The new Rigs for ships will make up for it.
can i ask, why do people aging anything from 16-40 or whatever care about honor in a game. I just don't understand it. Exploits are one thing, using simple game mechanics without logging off is another. I play EVE with an FPS mentality, my aim in BF is not to get killed first, kill second. Thats Because i try to role play real life, remember we only live once. In eve you only live once, the cloning thing is weird to me, your soul cant just jump from body to body.
So we are more cautious than others, if that makes us lame, than so be it, we re pirates after all, show me a real life pirate labeled honorable.
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Kaleeb
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.10.25 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard All the best BE.
The Javelin nerf completely sucks. The torp Raven is now useless again :(
Maybe now you'll train for a mans ship and fly a mega
Originally by: Blacklight
Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.
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Horza Otho
Minmatar Silver Star Federation
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Posted - 2006.10.25 17:41:00 -
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/signed, BE 4tw, i never see much more then 2 stabs on BE loss mails :) --- Eris Discordia is miiiiiine |
Heinky
Amarr BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2006.10.25 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ Edited by: KIAEddZ on 25/10/2006 12:19:24 You do what you do well, but it looks to me like CCP took a alook at your corp to see exactly what the lamest possible way to engage in PvP and nerfed it. ANY of us could do what you do, "Jav Torps/Interdictors and Stabs" but we choose not ,cos quite simply we care about the reputation of our corps.
Your entire recent strategy got the nerf bat, that in itself says something.
Your not stupid, and you are good Pvpers, so you will adjust, but if you wanna shake of the reputation of being a bunch of dckwads, then you should try understanding the concept of honour and respect, and not go purposefully out of the way to fight in the lamest possible way you can.
(ps I do however respect the fact that you dont log off trap, no lag bombing etc, if you have anything to hold onto is that you did it all fair n square.... but results aren't everything in life m8, its not always what you did, its quite often how you did it)
pss. Your reputation as WCs *****s (basically cowards) is one you garnered fairly, and developed joyously, no one to blame but yourself.
U talk about honour.
What is honour ?
We have never stabbed any of our friends in the back, If we give our word it has always been solid, we have never dishonour any 1 v 1, merc conntract or any other dealings we have made with other players ingame.
Theres a big diffrence between honour and beeing stupied.
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James 315
The Older Gamers Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.25 18:06:00 -
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Dear Burn Eden,
Please don't start using sniper rokhs. I'm training rokh skills. I don't want them nerfed.
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cyberdog
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Posted - 2006.10.25 18:10:00 -
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Quote: can i ask, why do people aging anything from 16-40 or whatever care about honor in a game.
Its group culture. BE has a culture of its own. Culture is a powerful force on behaviour and beliefs. The very fact that you said the above statement is a direct reflection on burn eden culture i'm sure that its a question that has been discussed in your corp a few times yes? Similarly other corps/alliances/individuals could ask why don't you care about honour in this game? In the virtual world of eve we are all people who play the game on different lvl's. Many people love to think of Burn Eden as the bad guys and like "playing" the role of the good guy trying to kill you. If you are playing the role of a good guy honour is part of that role that has been encoded into us as we grow up. We bring these "real world" media driven architypes to our game world. I could go into a lot more depth concearning your question the answer is not a simple one (or short) and your question could be the whole basis of someones psychological thesis in the real world. I've vaguely touched on some of the reasons/influences above hope that helps a bit.
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crice
Caldari CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.25 18:14:00 -
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Personally I had more fun fighting Celtic Anarchy.
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xeom
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.10.25 18:26:00 -
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GL BE allthough you probably won't need it ---
"Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
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Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.10.25 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: cyberdog
Quote: can i ask, why do people aging anything from 16-40 or whatever care about honor in a game.
Its group culture. BE has a culture of its own. Culture is a powerful force on behaviour and beliefs. The very fact that you said the above statement is a direct reflection on burn eden culture i'm sure that its a question that has been discussed in your corp a few times yes? Similarly other corps/alliances/individuals could ask why don't you care about honour in this game? In the virtual world of eve we are all people who play the game on different lvl's. Many people love to think of Burn Eden as the bad guys and like "playing" the role of the good guy trying to kill you. If you are playing the role of a good guy honour is part of that role that has been encoded into us as we grow up. We bring these "real world" media driven architypes to our game world. I could go into a lot more depth concearning your question the answer is not a simple one (or short) and your question could be the whole basis of someones psychological thesis in the real world. I've vaguely touched on some of the reasons/influences above hope that helps a bit.
intresting reply.
Let me tell you this. the Ancient world. Phalanx formation: A wall of spears, so less hand to hand, and more poking from a distance. to this day as a history student, phalanx are regarded as an evolution in warfare. in this case feel free to call spears, dampeners, and Companion cavalry, the missiles.
Was is called a lame tactic? maybe the Persians did. but by those clever tactics, geeks defeated an army of 1/4 million with 40000 man.
Honor? This is not a Fantasy game, we re not using Swords and arrows. Honor was no longer part of warfare since the Soldiers stopped standing in a straight line, and decided to fight from the trenches. there is no honor in Real Life, don;t expect to see any in EVE.
thats just my views, and my culture if you would like to say so. To each his own, lets leave it at that.
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SATAN
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.10.25 18:39:00 -
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Since Shin Ra is kinda a noob to UDIE I will sum up all the patching that has been dirrectly aimed at us.
Rotating sentry guns (When we were all still TFA) Shield tank nerf Dual after burner/mwd nerf 1st EW nerf reducing multi's jamming cycle 2nd EW nerf getting rid of points jam system Missle nerf 1st one Damp Nerf Tech 2 cruise missle nerf
future CCP adaptations. Tech 2 torp nerf-Not sure why but we knew it was coming just because we use em. WCS nerf-Been trying to get CCP to nerf them since day 1, the reason we started to use them.
I am sure there are more but I cant be bothered to remember all the little ones as well.
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Murukan
Minmatar The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.25 18:46:00 -
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i'm sure people will find different excuses to whine about to make themselves feel better when it comes to how you kill them so much. People usually don't like to accept that others are just better at something than them.
Eddz really talking about honor when you showboat yourself as much as possible and try and discredit others? (If you want to look at a good showboat example i would suggest going over to the F4 war story thread by seleene).
In rust we trust!!!
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NAFnist
Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.25 19:18:00 -
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And I who just trained torp 5
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cyberdog
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Posted - 2006.10.25 20:43:00 -
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Quote: thats just my views, and my culture if you would like to say so. To each his own, lets leave it at that.
Cool, the most important thing is we have fun. You guys are good at what you do thats a fact. I have also heard people say i'm gonna fit a Burn Eden Raven which shows you guys are really good with your setups and I myself have died to your superior tactics in one engagement. Then some guys on my team killed some of your guys in a counter move. Important thing is we had fun <insert tongue in cheek> trying to kill nasty evil burn eden. I like what corps like Burn Eden and FZN bring to the game and the forums is sometimes fun too. Some people do take things personaly in game though sometimes worryingly so. What shinra says in his original post is infact true i've been ingame a long time and have seen you guys adapt pretty quickly to change and use some really great setups. So its a sense of acheivement to kill you . That to me is great. So Burn Eden have fun in Kali and carry on doing what you do till it aint fun anymore and when you turn up on my doorstep i'll consider it a fun challenge to try blow you up
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Beringe
Raptus Regaliter
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Posted - 2006.10.25 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN Since Shin Ra is kinda a noob to UDIE I will sum up all the patching that has been dirrectly aimed at us.
Directly? L-O-L
Perhaps one of you can sidle up to TomB next fanfest and ask him. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language."
--Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles-- |
Randay
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.25 21:20:00 -
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oh my, first masta killa posts something non-smack-whine-ish, now shin ra too? the sky is falling. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Originally by: Reddari
Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
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Randay
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.25 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN dee dee dee
nm, the sky is still up there. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Originally by: Reddari
Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
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Zedic
Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.25 21:36:00 -
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Quote: show me a real life pirate labeled honorable.
Huh? Do you mean historically?
Zed
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Turkantho
Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.25 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ Edited by: KIAEddZ on 25/10/2006 12:19:24 You do what you do well, but it looks to me like CCP took a alook at your corp to see exactly what the lamest possible way to engage in PvP and nerfed it. ANY of us could do what you do, "Jav Torps/Interdictors and Stabs" but we choose not ,cos quite simply we care about the reputation of our corps.
Your entire recent strategy got the nerf bat, that in itself says something.
Your not stupid, and you are good Pvpers, so you will adjust, but if you wanna shake of the reputation of being a bunch of dckwads, then you should try understanding the concept of honour and respect, and not go purposefully out of the way to fight in the lamest possible way you can.
(ps I do however respect the fact that you dont log off trap, no lag bombing etc, if you have anything to hold onto is that you did it all fair n square.... but results aren't everything in life m8, its not always what you did, its quite often how you did it)
pss. Your reputation as WCs *****s (basically cowards) is one you garnered fairly, and developed joyously, no one to blame but yourself.
Welcome to a new quality Eddz post...
While I dislike BE and what they do, they still have something you and KIA don't have: SKILL ________
Asgar[D]¦ |
Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.10.25 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Zedic
Quote: show me a real life pirate labeled honorable.
Huh? Do you mean historically?
Zed
gadamn you, anyways who is zed? all i know is most pirates aren't.
The English stood in lines to fight the Americans. that was the stupidest Strategy ever. Us gorilla tactics at the time took em out even tough outnumbered.
Sitting in a blob of 10-30 battleships exposing your selfs is similar to what the English did.
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Selenna Corvinnus
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Posted - 2006.10.25 22:30:00 -
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Go Burn Eden, Kill them all
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Zedic
Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.26 03:57:00 -
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Quote: gadamn you, anyways who is zed? all i know is most pirates aren't.
Zed is a character in my most favorite series of books; The Sword of Truth series. Yea yea, people hate Terry Goodkind - tbh honest I'm just trying to finish the series myself but anywho...
I see what you're saying. "Real Life" pirates reminded me of those people that try to hijack the cruise ships in RL. You do have a point I guess. I suppose I view that whole "pirate persona" as a means to an end. Many choose to play MMO's particularly Eve so that their Id's can run amok. But that's a discussion for the crimes and punishment boards lolz.
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.26 04:09:00 -
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Only tatic I've ever seen work against BE. Massed firepower from snipeing BS platforms able to match their T2 torp range. Course this only ever get's pookie so....
In the end it's pretty much pointless to even bother trying to use "textbook" tatics against BE.
Originally by: Wrangler Win ME is more a some sort of virus than a OS..
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Cassiuss
Minmatar STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.26 04:47:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Originally by: Zedic
Quote: show me a real life pirate labeled honorable.
Huh? Do you mean historically?
Zed
gadamn you, anyways who is zed? all i know is most pirates aren't.
The English stood in lines to fight the Americans. that was the stupidest Strategy ever. Us gorilla tactics at the time took em out even tough outnumbered.
Sitting in a blob of 10-30 battleships exposing your selfs is similar to what the English did.
Roxnubba's attempt at a history lesson. LMAO.
Dood do yourself a fav and enrole in school seriosuly. The war of 1812. Ever hear of it. The english marched from what is now Canada, all the way down to Washington DC, and didnt stop until they burned the white house marched back to Canada and drank massive amounts of beer.
The English are pirates you fool.
Please leave the posting to Satan and Sin Ra. Your an idiot.
Satan <3
Cassiuss, STK-S Recruitment Officer
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Wither Through
Amarr Grief Tactics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2006.10.26 05:09:00 -
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I have been a huge fan of -UDIE- and their tactics since a chracter account ago. What I really learn was to train the skills it requires to fit that setup of thiers with the WCS, and still use it effectively, you are already a strong pilot. The stabs were however a good defensive weapon for your campaigns (you never took any losses) This, if only becasue of the morale that it created, was very effective against the larger alliance fights. If you never took anything, it still meant that you never lost anything. I have no doubt that by now things have evolved into more tanked and more sturdy ships for you guys. The only thing that I think that you forgot with the ravens, was that at range you don't allow for the immediate damage that the Turret ships have. WIth the introduction of Kali, I have no doubt that you will be able to dominate in the long range with the sp that you focused to max out the raven setups.
Thank you for showing me how to train the account that is my caldari spec.. He is truely a BE fanatic.
I don't think you needed to justify your actions though. You simply took advantage of a tactic that worked for you. I accepted many lossmails ago that you found something that worked for you. We all have our own way. Cheers to you!
Part of this game is adapting to the CCP changes. I am sure, good and bad, Kali will change how we play.
(Would you have my babies)
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Beyond Horizon
UA Industry Red Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.26 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco While I consider your tactics lame...
n00b. I have never ever seen more organized PvPers yet so far, when BE were camping n-rael sys(I even got ALMOST killed myself ).
They have: 1. Organization. 2. Skills. 3. SP. 4. ISK.
These 4 make them really good, n00bs are those who say that BE are lame.
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SATAN
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.10.26 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: Beringe
Originally by: SATAN Since Shin Ra is kinda a noob to UDIE I will sum up all the patching that has been dirrectly aimed at us.
Directly? L-O-L
Perhaps one of you can sidle up to TomB next fanfest and ask him.
If you are implying that we were not the intentional targets of those nerfs then you may want to read through some old dev blogs where udie is mentioned by name.
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