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Natasha Kerensky The Company Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:48:00 - [1] So, Amarr are whining about laser cap usage and EANM 2s ruining thier game Minmatar are whining about the hitpoint boost and alpha strike damage ruining thier game Gallente are whining about blaster tracking and armor rep bonuses ruining thier game BUT, these whines are NOTHING compared to the problems with CALDARI!! Face it people, your arguments maybe valid, but we Caldari can no longer spam missles that hit all targets for max damage with any damage type while fitting an invincible shield tank anymore!! This seriously needs to be looked at. I need t go post a hundred threads on how this needs to be fixed or else i will quit.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:49:00 - [2] Hihi. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:51:00 - [3] i really enjoyed reading some guys post who whined that the rokh made his raven look weak Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Angus McLean Gallente Divinity Trials	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:21:00 - [4] Edited by: Angus McLean on 25/10/2006 18:22:13 I love how people show they have no clue about Amarr when posting these threads. Train them, fly them in PvP, then come back to this thread. Edit: In case you missed it heres what I said: Learn why Amarr suck before making fun of their whiners. If you took two seconds to look into the matter youd realize there are issues. Quote: Basically we've established, EVE physics > Amarr
Tar om Minmatar Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:26:00 - [5] Originally by: Tiuwaz i really enjoyed reading some guys post who whined that the rokh made his raven look weak hehe, and I enjoyed the thread where caldari were whining that the Drake make the Ferox look weak. Oh diddums :) -- We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net "The belief in the possibility of a short decisive war appears to be one of the most ancient and dangerous of human illusions."
MECTO	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:34:00 - [6] Originally by: Tar om Originally by: Tiuwaz i really enjoyed reading some guys post who whined that the rokh made his raven look weak hehe, and I enjoyed the thread where caldari were whining that the Drake make the Ferox look weak. Oh diddums :) drake > ferox - u think otherwise? what point in flying ferox? sniping with 5 turrets with no dmg boni? [brutix 7] [hurricane 7] [Harbringer 7?] Originally by: Kusotarre I am awesome in fleets, everyone on teamspeak trembles in fear as my battlecry blasts through their headphones, heralding a new era of target-less randomosity.
dec0	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:10:00 - [7] RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE, Yes, i totally agree, caldari need boosting. Give me drones!!!!!!!!!
dec0	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:10:00 - [8] RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE, Yes, i totally agree, caldari need boosting. Give me drones!!!!!!!!!
Kojiami	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:11:00 - [9] Quote: I love how people show they have no clue about Amarr when posting these threads. I'm pure amarr. I just ganked a cyclone, a caracal, a ferox and a tempest in my 2 mil SP armageddon. I fail to see the problem.
Aeaus Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:14:00 - [10] Originally by: Kojiami Quote: I love how people show they have no clue about Amarr when posting these threads. I'm pure amarr. I just ganked a cyclone, a caracal, a ferox and a tempest in my 2 mil SP armageddon. I fail to see the problem. Oh really, and we should base that the problems with a race are non-existant because you can do something? Oh that's just class, maybe they were mining or something. And for that matter I soloed a caracal fitted to kill me (dual web + assault launchers) yesterday with a freaking crusader. That doesn't make the crusader powerful or the caracal weak, you have to look at more then one persons experiences and overly successful victories.
Angus McLean Gallente Divinity Trials	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:19:00 - [11] Originally by: Kojiami Quote: I love how people show they have no clue about Amarr when posting these threads. I'm pure amarr. I just ganked a cyclone, a caracal, a ferox and a tempest in my 2 mil SP armageddon. I fail to see the problem. No offense but 2mil sp is no place for a battleship. Ive got more SP in mining and I dont even mine. Secondly a 2mil SP pilot could probably not kill a Tempest as its got high resistances VS amarr and unless you have T2 guns youd never do enough I doubt. Third issue is even if you did they must have just gotten there first ship or bought their characters off the forums. I dont mean to be harsh but we that have been playing the game for 2 years + have issue's...and they are 30mil spec'd. That generally shows something... Quote: Basically we've established, EVE physics > Amarr
Trader Jenny	Posted - 2006.10.26 00:48:00 - [12] Originally by: MECTO drake > ferox - u think otherwise? what point in flying ferox? sniping with 5 turrets with no dmg boni? [brutix 7] [hurricane 7] [Harbringer 7?] So fly a drake then.
Reatu Krentor Minmatar Void Spiders Fate Weavers	Posted - 2006.10.26 01:36:00 - [13] Originally by: Angus McLean Edited by: Angus McLean on 25/10/2006 18:22:13 I love how people show they have no clue about Amarr when posting these threads. Train them, fly them in PvP, then come back to this thread. Edit: In case you missed it heres what I said: Learn why Amarr suck before making fun of their whiners. If you took two seconds to look into the matter youd realize there are issues. I could say exactly the same thing except replace 'Amarr' with 'Minmatar'. The best proof that Eve is not far from being balanced, everyone whines (except caldari). Crystal-Slave, that way? Potential solution to the current Recon cloak and cyno bug
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.26 01:37:00 - [14] can i have your stuff? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by: Reddari Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
Areconus Caldari Cereal Killerz Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.10.26 01:37:00 - [15] Originally by: Reatu Krentor Originally by: Angus McLean Edited by: Angus McLean on 25/10/2006 18:22:13 I love how people show they have no clue about Amarr when posting these threads. Train them, fly them in PvP, then come back to this thread. Edit: In case you missed it heres what I said: Learn why Amarr suck before making fun of their whiners. If you took two seconds to look into the matter youd realize there are issues. I could say exactly the same thing except replace 'Amarr' with 'Minmatar'. The best proof that Eve is not far from being balanced, everyone whines (except caldari). No, Caldari will be on this forum pretty soon when all of them have found out how hard jav torps have been kicked in the behind Gloria Stitz- "Try not to bring reality in to these forums Otherwise we might take the game seriously"
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.26 01:47:00 - [16] It's great being Caldari, aint it? --------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness and God is kind. Pax Caldaria.
Scordite	Posted - 2006.10.26 01:48:00 - [17] I suggest bigger drone bays, better speed and agility, and of course bigger base cap and faster cap recharge. This should fix caldari. ----------------------------------------------- The only legitimate use of the BLINK tag: Schr÷dinger's cat is [BLINK] not [/BLINK] dead.
Makaera Koshito Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.26 02:30:00 - [18] Originally by: Trader Jenny Originally by: MECTO drake > ferox - u think otherwise? what point in flying ferox? sniping with 5 turrets with no dmg boni? [brutix 7] [hurricane 7] [Harbringer 7?] So fly a drake then. Wow, you're an idiot. The Drake has essentially made the Ferox obsolete for mission running, and the Ferox has long been mostly pointless to use in PvP, except in certain specific cases. But you know what? I don't want to fly a frickin' Drake because I have 4 mil SP in Gunnery and only about 1 mil in Missiles. And if Javelin M ammo didn't/doesn't get the same treatment as Javelin L ammo, then it's totally pointless, IMO, to even attempt to fly any T2 Rail-equipped Caldari Railboats other than the Rokh and attempt to fight in any range less than about 60km. Caldari Railboats are still essentially broken, especially the Ferox and Merlin.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.10.26 02:36:00 - [19] Originally by: Tar om Originally by: Tiuwaz i really enjoyed reading some guys post who whined that the rokh made his raven look weak hehe, and I enjoyed the thread where caldari were whining that the Drake make the Ferox look weak. Oh diddums :) The Drake's 7 missile launchers DOES make the Ferox look weak. 7 Heavy missile launchers >>>>>> 5 Railguns 7 Heavy Assault Missile Launchers >>>>>>>> 5 Blasters Oh, and the Drake has one more mid, meaning an extra extender or hardener for an even bigger tank. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 03:14:00 - [20] Edited by: AKULA UrQuan on 26/10/2006 03:16:12 when you guys figure out how to get those 7 heavy launchers on the drake to hit out to 140km lemme know. The ferox will be able to hit out that far in kali with the nerfed spike M ammo. Can't think of another non-BS t1 hull, save the Moa, that can pull that off. Originally by: Wrangler Win ME is more a some sort of virus than a OS..
Enotz Amarr Terminus Est Incorporated	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:32:00 - [21] Originally by: Angus McLean Originally by: Kojiami Quote: I love how people show they have no clue about Amarr when posting these threads. I'm pure amarr. I just ganked a cyclone, a caracal, a ferox and a tempest in my 2 mil SP armageddon. I fail to see the problem. No offense but 2mil sp is no place for a battleship. Ive got more SP in mining and I dont even mine. actually he's barely scraping 1m, and has some skills in caldari too. He just lies a lot.
Hayabusa Fury Caldari Wu-Tang Financial Mordus Angels	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:45:00 - [22] Originally by: Makaera Ko**o Originally by: Trader Jenny Originally by: MECTO drake > ferox - u think otherwise? what point in flying ferox? sniping with 5 turrets with no dmg boni? [brutix 7] [hurricane 7] [Harbringer 7?] So fly a drake then. Wow, you're an idiot. The Drake has essentially made the Ferox obsolete for mission running, and the Ferox has long been mostly pointless to use in PvP, except in certain specific cases. But you know what? I don't want to fly a frickin' Drake because I have 4 mil SP in Gunnery and only about 1 mil in Missiles. And if Javelin M ammo didn't/doesn't get the same treatment as Javelin L ammo, then it's totally pointless, IMO, to even attempt to fly any T2 Rail-equipped Caldari Railboats other than the Rokh and attempt to fight in any range less than about 60km. Caldari Railboats are still essentially broken, especially the Ferox and Merlin. Don't forget the Moa! I like how the description for each of the caldari railboats claims it to be the only pure combat ship in it's class. Yet they are all the worst combat ship across all races in their class. ---------------- "I can not recall the number of times my superior intellect has got me knee deep in ****!" --Harely Hayes
Darknar	Posted - 2006.10.26 10:36:00 - [23] Originally by: Hayabusa Fury Yet they are all the worst combat ship across all races in their class. its becuse caldri players dont know how to use there ships. if somebody fitted out a moa properly the moa could out tank a caracal wahilst doing enough damage to destroy one. its all about the right fittings and the right skills. caldri have it all at the moment, however there too blind to see it.
twit brent Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:13:00 - [24] Amarr will have the best mid range dmg ship in the game after this patch hits. My geddon right now does over 1000dmg/s with its guns at 50km. The new tier 3 BS will have an extra tachyon and will be much easier to fit :).
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:19:00 - [25] Edited by: Twilight Moon on 26/10/2006 11:18:56 Originally by: MECTO drake > ferox - u think otherwise? what point in flying ferox? sniping with 5 turrets with no dmg boni? [brutix 7] [hurricane 7] [Harbringer 7?] Staying 150km away from the action, still dealing damage while pretty much immune to return fire (aligned), and packing two gang mods is pretty appealing. ...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative.
Forsch Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:20:00 - [26] I fall for your sig every time.. Forsch Defender of the empire
VeNT Minmatar Freelancer Union Unaffiliated	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:26:00 - [27] tbh, the devs worked out that the Amarrs meening of life was to die. death by autocannon for pref! -------------------- Selena 001 > has VeNT left system? its gone really quiet!
SavageThrash 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:50:00 - [28] Other then the myths of a jav torp nerf i have heard of (to lazy to get on sisi) i think caldari are doing pretty good... Heavy assults, drake etc. Althought the cerb, nighthawk and possibly the drake as well will need an rcu or 2, fitting is also dependant on passive tanking becoming big or not. snip Please do not discuss moderation in your signature -Eldo <-Woah
Chronus26 Gallente Dark Blood Contracts	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:59:00 - [29] Originally by: Tiuwaz i really enjoyed reading some guys post who whined that the rokh made his raven look weak Lol, I missed that one! I won't even be flying a Rokh, my caldari Character is 100% Missle speced and staying that way, the only thing thats gonna make my Raven look weak is when I get me a Phoenix! ----- Move along, nothing to see here...
Tsar Maul	Posted - 2006.10.26 12:01:00 - [30] Originally by: Forsch I fall for your sig every time..
Lord Augustus	Posted - 2006.10.26 12:21:00 - [31] Stupidest Post Ever.
Fredbob Draconis Navitas Aeterna	Posted - 2006.10.26 12:48:00 - [32] lol ___________ ~Fredbob~
vanBuskirk Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.26 13:53:00 - [33] Originally by: MECTO Originally by: Tar om Originally by: Tiuwaz i really enjoyed reading some guys post who whined that the rokh made his raven look weak hehe, and I enjoyed the thread where caldari were whining that the Drake make the Ferox look weak. Oh diddums :) drake > ferox - u think otherwise? what point in flying ferox? sniping with 5 turrets with no dmg boni? [brutix 7] [hurricane 7] [Harbringer 7?] No damage bonus? How about the fact that in a sniping setup you could use an ammo at least 1 further down the range scale, iridium instead of tungsten for example? In my eyes this counts as a damage bonus. Not everyone uses tech 2 ammo and guns, you know. I fly a Ferox for level 3 missions, and get regular hits at 60km with iridium. Add to that the near-invulnerable passive shield tank, and the Ferox is probably the best mission ship at its level. As a matter of fact I fit 4 guns and 3 heavy launchers, but that is because of fitting issues - swing it one way or the other and either CPU or powergrid runs out. Sure, fly this against a BS and it's toast, but what did you expect? ---------------------------------------------- "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." ----------------------------------------------
Galen Silas Gallente Digital assassins	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:39:00 - [34] Originally by: Natasha Kerensky So, Amarr are whining about laser cap usage and EANM 2s ruining thier game Minmatar are whining about the hitpoint boost and alpha strike damage ruining thier game Gallente are whining about blaster tracking and armor rep bonuses ruining thier game BUT, these whines are NOTHING compared to the problems with CALDARI!! Face it people, your arguments maybe valid, but we Caldari can no longer spam missles that hit all targets for max damage with any damage type while fitting an invincible shield tank anymore!! This seriously needs to be looked at. I need t go post a hundred threads on how this needs to be fixed or else i will quit. Wait a sec... your saying you want to be able to spam missles and have an almighty "I win" tank, doesnt seem very fair or fun for that matter. Why would you want to be uber almighty?
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:39:00 - [35] Originally by: vanBuskirk Originally by: MECTO Originally by: Tar om Originally by: Tiuwaz i really enjoyed reading some guys post who whined that the rokh made his raven look weak hehe, and I enjoyed the thread where caldari were whining that the Drake make the Ferox look weak. Oh diddums :) drake > ferox - u think otherwise? what point in flying ferox? sniping with 5 turrets with no dmg boni? [brutix 7] [hurricane 7] [Harbringer 7?] No damage bonus? How about the fact that in a sniping setup you could use an ammo at least 1 further down the range scale, iridium instead of tungsten for example? In my eyes this counts as a damage bonus. Not everyone uses tech 2 ammo and guns, you know. I fly a Ferox for level 3 missions, and get regular hits at 60km with iridium. Add to that the near-invulnerable passive shield tank, and the Ferox is probably the best mission ship at its level. As a matter of fact I fit 4 guns and 3 heavy launchers, but that is because of fitting issues - swing it one way or the other and either CPU or powergrid runs out. Sure, fly this against a BS and it's toast, but what did you expect?
Spanker	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:42:00 - [36] IT'S NOT BONI - Shpank
Greyshadow Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:02:00 - [37] I look at all the races like 'scissor/paper/rock' there is always a setup that will beat another setup, and that setup on turn can be beaten by another. There is no real losing race, stop glory hunting for the best race at the time, make do and enjoy the difference between each different races and make the most of it.... ....or the kitten gets it Now who wants a cookie?
Kr3m17 Penguins In Space	Posted - 2006.10.27 02:34:00 - [38] if hear one more person whining about this or that bieng under or overpowered i'm going to snap. there is no one perfect setup for any race on any ship. you need to adapt for your situation, that's the beauty of this game. there is no 'end game', there is no 'best setup', and if you don't like how you're setup, then change it, but don't expect to find one perfect setup for all conditions. missiles have their pluses and minuses, but so does everything else. the caldari have the best shield tank, take your strengths and use them to overcome your weaknesses. if you can't figure out how, then maybe you should be playing an easier game. may i recommend super mario brothers? ------------ I don't know what i'm talking about most of the time.
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2006.10.27 02:47:00 - [39] Originally by: Twilight Moon Edited by: Twilight Moon on 26/10/2006 11:18:56 Originally by: MECTO drake > ferox - u think otherwise? what point in flying ferox? sniping with 5 turrets with no dmg boni? [brutix 7] [hurricane 7] [Harbringer 7?] Staying 150km away from the action, still dealing damage while pretty much immune to return fire (aligned), and packing two gang mods is pretty appealing. Try running 2 gang mods and firing those guns with all the sensor boosters, and tracking comps running. see how long your cap last.
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2006.10.27 02:50:00 - [40] Originally by: SavageThrash Other then the myths of a jav torp nerf i have heard of (to lazy to get on sisi) i think caldari are doing pretty good... Heavy assults, drake etc. Althought the cerb, nighthawk and possibly the drake as well will need an rcu or 2, fitting is also dependant on passive tanking becoming big or not. drake does not need a an RCU, just fit PDU II's if you go with heavy launchers, you don't even need the PDU's you can use shield thingies
Bowlance	Posted - 2006.10.27 04:07:00 - [41] Originally by: Greyshadow I look at all the races like 'scissor/paper/rock' there is always a setup that will beat another setup, and that setup on turn can be beaten by another. There is no real losing race, stop glory hunting for the best race at the time, make do and enjoy the difference between each different races and make the most of it.... ....or the kitten gets it Now who wants a cookie? I do.. !!
Scordite	Posted - 2006.10.27 04:10:00 - [42] This is a joke thread. Stop being sensible for once ----------------------------------------------- The only legitimate use of the BLINK tag: Schr÷dinger's cat is [BLINK] not [/BLINK] dead.
Sandra Tseng THE MISPHIT'S	Posted - 2006.10.27 07:35:00 - [43] The Incursus dmg and fallof bonuses makes my Navitas useless! The Incursus also has one more turretslot, one more medslot, more PowerGrid output, more armor HP and it is faster!! Nerf Incursus or boost my Navitas!! I know - make all ships exacly the same! _ Killed my sig AGAIN! :p http://www.ninc.org/krubarax/images/2d/verydisco.jpg
Inanara	Posted - 2006.10.27 07:37:00 - [44] I agree too Give me a Drone Boat that is Gallente (the kings of drone boats) that ISN'T three generations OLD.. I am looking at you Mr. Transformers Boot Upside Down Dominix.
Sandra Tseng THE MISPHIT'S	Posted - 2006.10.27 07:49:00 - [45] Hey....wait a minute....Natasha Kerensky? Another clanner? The Wolves never were any good friend of us Ghotbears. But never the less - feels good to find a trueborn amongs theese freebirth surats. I take it you know who Sandra tseng was? ;] _ Killed my sig AGAIN! :p http://www.ninc.org/krubarax/images/2d/verydisco.jpg

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