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2Sonas1Cup
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Posted - 2015.04.05 08:47:20 -
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Considering that most if not in every fleet, people just try to horde as many kills as possible instead of actually do what the fc says and focus on targets called.
Most people don't even group their guns and shoot different targets with each one of them just to get more kills.
I trullly think CCP should remove the ability to have a millboard, or change it so only the top 5 players with the most damage done to the target show on the killboard.
Something must done, this is ridiculous. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Spaceship Bebop
3767
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Posted - 2015.04.05 08:56:35 -
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Yawn.
Make space glamorous!
Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
15569
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Posted - 2015.04.05 08:57:46 -
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Just because your fleets are full of bad pilots does not mean we should lose our ALODs.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
214
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Posted - 2015.04.05 08:58:58 -
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Become a better FC? Fly with the right people?
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
4770
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Posted - 2015.04.05 09:22:34 -
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There were killboard sites before there was API access.
I think CCP stated that zkillboard already had something like >90% (I think the figure was higher) of all killmails when the API was added. |
Stacy Lone
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.05 09:29:39 -
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2Sonas1Cup wrote:Considering that most if not in every fleet, people just try to horde as many kills as possible instead of actually do what the fc says and focus on targets called.
Most people don't even group their guns and shoot different targets with each one of them just to get more kills.
Don't fly with morons?
Thisn isn't a problem with killboards at all, it a problem with discipline. If there were no killboards, people would still ***** kills until KMs were removed completely from the game.
The second problem is a leadership one. Analyze killboards for big fights carefully, you can easily see patterns which people just ***** all the time and which ppl stay on target. You can then use that information in different ways - create incentive for adhereing to the called target.
Yes, its much work, but analyzing data is what leadership has to do.
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HandelsPharmi
Pharmi on CharBazaar
1272
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Posted - 2015.04.05 09:30:51 -
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2Sonas1Cup wrote: CCP should workout an algorithm that counts the amount EHPs of the target, the quantity of players shooting at it and their individual damage, and set a threshold in percentage of damage done you need to be on the kill log.
An algorithm... why?
You can see in the killmail how much damage was taken by the vicitim. You can see how much damage was dealt by each involved player.
In my killmails, players are sorted from highest to lowest damage downwards... |
Aphsala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.04.05 09:41:18 -
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I dont like KB an have no need of them, but why should i take away something alot of players like just because i dont? wouldnt you say thats a tad selfish of me? |
Frank Millar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
2292
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Posted - 2015.04.05 09:52:54 -
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I thought you quit. Make it so. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
35553
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Posted - 2015.04.05 09:54:13 -
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Some people would agree with you
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
950
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Posted - 2015.04.05 10:32:08 -
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There is a free choice to add your API or not, really can't find any wrong in the current system, |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.05 10:39:05 -
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I thought killboards were a thing in every MMO.
Eventually I realised ... oh ... they're not.
Well... that's crap.
Glad we have them. They make people kill others,
which is a good thing.
"Please do not file support tickets to ask if your support ticket will be answered soon." - Actual Quote.
"AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!" - Diana Kim
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.05 10:40:26 -
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No, but removal of this thread would be nice  . |
Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2015.04.05 10:58:21 -
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It's funny how it changed from "serious business lol" to "don't touch mah killboard!" years later, cultural victories left and right.
I don't care either way although from a personal pov I'd like them gone although not for reasons most would think. |
Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
242
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Posted - 2015.04.05 11:01:43 -
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A more elaborate system for killmails would be nice. I really like the rewatch feature of null-sec.com.
As for removing killmails: I think killboard stats are highly overrated. If anyone is giving you **** for yours, screw them.
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2Sonas1Cup
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Posted - 2015.04.05 11:12:29 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:It's funny how it changed from "serious business lol" to "don't touch mah killboard!" years later, cultural victories left and right.
I don't care either way although from a personal pov I'd like them gone although not for reasons most would think.
Yours and the post above are on point, and to answer yours, the mentality of eve players has changed, and so CCP must change certain things that are game breaking right now due to that mentality. The killboard is one of them, a better and more tailored killboard system is needed in order to NOT give any credit to people that contribute little to nothing in a fight. |
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
291
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Posted - 2015.04.05 11:25:21 -
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2Sonas1Cup wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:It's funny how it changed from "serious business lol" to "don't touch mah killboard!" years later, cultural victories left and right.
I don't care either way although from a personal pov I'd like them gone although not for reasons most would think. Yours and the post above are on point, and to answer yours, the mentality of eve players has changed, and so CCP must change certain things that are game breaking right now due to that mentality. The killboard is one of them, a better and more tailored killboard system is needed in order to NOT give any credit to people that contribute little to nothing in a fight.
Kidding aside, I do agree with the 0% getting credit as a bit stupid but it isn't really a CCP issue because the 0% as far as CCP are concerned are just involved. They prioritize the final blow and the top damage. And it would be bad to ignore the 0% that is awarded for ewar.
I think it is an issue that could be better addressed by the kill boards themselves. CCP make the information available and it is the kill boards that use the information. And they do tend to use it badly. The overall stats get inflated because as far as the kill board is concerned all parties involved get credit for the kill. Where as it would be better if they were only credited for the % they actually inflicted. But they also need to account for ewar and give it it's own stat.
So as before a NO for removal but a yes for the kill boards to change the way credit is awarded, and that has nothing to do with CCP. |
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
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Posted - 2015.04.05 11:29:12 -
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2Sonas1Cup wrote:Considering that most if not in every fleet, people just try to horde as many kills as possible instead of actually do what the fc says and focus on targets called.
u fkin wot m8
Critically Preposterous is recruiting! Join the fight!
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.04.05 11:34:04 -
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Killboards are free intel.
They also show you when your guys, who have spent years in the alliance, are still flying terribly fit ships and are clueless or obstinate.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
254
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Posted - 2015.04.05 11:42:06 -
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Liafcipe9000 wrote:2Sonas1Cup wrote:Considering that most if not in every fleet, people just try to horde as many kills as possible instead of actually do what the fc says and focus on targets called. u fkin wot m8
Well, there is one thing we can agree on.
People who need a command repeated ...
... certainly aren't very sharp listeners.
"Please do not file support tickets to ask if your support ticket will be answered soon." - Actual Quote.
"AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!" - Diana Kim
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Hicksimus
Xion Limited
Resonance.
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Posted - 2015.04.05 11:51:39 -
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I don't think killboards are the issue. The issue is that most of EvE doesn't really reward team play. It rewards big numbers => quantity over quality. Teamwork values quality....so if EvE attached more value to team work and less value to blobbing everything then those morons in fleets splitting their guns would quickly find themselves in highsec with no "friends". Removing killboards would not remove those morons from late-game content......they'd just spend less time in fleets and more time trying to get a big wallet number.
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Me: I've been described as a Ray Charles with Parkinsons and a drinking problem.
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Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
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Posted - 2015.04.05 12:00:40 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Liafcipe9000 wrote:2Sonas1Cup wrote:Considering that most if not in every fleet, people just try to horde as many kills as possible instead of actually do what the fc says and focus on targets called. u fkin wot m8 Well, there is one thing we can agree on. People who need a command repeated ... ... certainly aren't very sharp listeners.
as a small gang FC I feel that the lines I quoted are way off. hence the "u fkin wot m8".
Critically Preposterous is recruiting! Join the fight!
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.04.05 12:08:44 -
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Hicksimus wrote:I don't think killboards are the issue. The issue is that most of EvE doesn't really reward team play. It rewards big numbers => quantity over quality. Teamwork values quality....so if EvE attached more value to team work and less value to blobbing everything then those morons in fleets splitting their guns would quickly find themselves in highsec with no "friends". Removing killboards would not remove those morons from late-game content......they'd just spend less time in fleets and more time trying to get a big wallet number. Hi there!
I'd like to introduce you to a little group called Rooks and Kings.
Enjoy,
Jen
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Mizhir
Matari Exodus
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Posted - 2015.04.05 12:19:02 -
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Hicksimus wrote:I don't think killboards are the issue. The issue is that most of EvE doesn't really reward team play. It rewards big numbers => quantity over quality. Teamwork values quality....so if EvE attached more value to team work and less value to blobbing everything then those morons in fleets splitting their guns would quickly find themselves in highsec with no "friends". Removing killboards would not remove those morons from late-game content......they'd just spend less time in fleets and more time trying to get a big wallet number.
EVE does reward teamwork, but the problem is that it is easier for people to just bring more people. And since many people are slaves of their own killboard they do not take risks and always go with the safe n+1 solution. Which means that most pvpers never get so see a fight where their own choices and teamwork plays a major role.
One Man Crew - Collective Solo PVP - Video is out!
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.04.05 12:33:30 -
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While I personally think KBs do more harm than good to the game, there is some use to them.
It makes it easy to find the OCD anal retentive that cares more about kill efficiency than having fun and completely ruin his day.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Hairtrigger
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.04.05 12:41:04 -
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ive seen KB kill corps, i personally hate the things.
you will always get the try hards that always must be top of the KB
and these same people are always the people making noise about moving here or there, join this alliance or that alliance for more kills etc and ripping corps apart. |
Mizhir
Matari Exodus
74202
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Posted - 2015.04.05 12:55:36 -
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Well atleast KB brings comedy like this: http://pastebin.com/LCjqqD8m
One Man Crew - Collective Solo PVP - Video is out!
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Hengle Teron
Just Another Corp XIV
44801
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Posted - 2015.04.05 13:03:43 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:It's funny how it changed from "serious business lol" to "don't touch mah killboard!" years later, cultural victories left and right.
I don't care either way although from a personal pov I'd like them gone although not for reasons most would think.
Your reason is obvious.
You don't want to reroll an alt every time you awox.
Without the killboard, there would be no free info of your past machinations for your new intended targets. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3207
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Posted - 2015.04.05 13:58:40 -
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Killboards are great because they breed the sort of idiotic mentality which leads to people doing stupid things like fitting civilian guns on logistics cruisers and having their logi pilots split their attention between repping friendlies and whoring on killmails.
Post on the Eve-o forums with a Goonswarm Federation character that drinking bleach is bad for you, and 20 forum warriors will hospitalise themselves trying to prove you wrong.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.04.05 14:06:34 -
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As there already is a thread on the same topic in the proper part of the forum no less, this one gets a lock.
Yes, I reopened it for your convenience.
Thread locked.
The Rules:
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As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss.
If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost.
Please keep discussion regarding a topic to a single thread.
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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