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Amro One
One.
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Posted - 2011.12.04 10:10:00 -
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Can i have your stuff???? |
ACE McFACE
Acetech Systems
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Posted - 2011.12.04 10:26:00 -
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Palal wrote:You two are real confused.
Let me address the buy fuel blocks versus manufacture. And sorry the numbers are even worse; I messed up on my spreadsheet on the first post:
I can manufacture @ 14,100 ISK per block, or roughly 1.62 billion per month in fuel.
I can purchase @20,600 ISK per block, or roughly 2.37 billion per month in fuel.
My revenue is about 3 billion per month. What would you do in this case?
And fuel has risen dramatically in the last few weeks. Consider 1 component - Heavy water. Used to trade for 22 ISK/unit. Now is 225 ISK. That one component alone is almost 100 million more per month. That has NOTHING to do with PI.
Lastly, all my calculations are with 0% waste - so it will be worse if you don't do the material research.
Clearly if you make 3b per month and the fuel blocks are costing you 2.37b, you raise the prices of your goods, everyone with a tower will experience the exact same price hike.
Welcome to economics my good friend
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Exxter Evox
Tri-Star Enterprise
Maelstrom Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.04 11:25:00 -
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Palal wrote:You two are real confused.
Let me address the buy fuel blocks versus manufacture. And sorry the numbers are even worse; I messed up on my spreadsheet on the first post:
I can manufacture @ 14,100 ISK per block, or roughly 1.62 billion per month in fuel.
I can purchase @20,600 ISK per block, or roughly 2.37 billion per month in fuel.
My revenue is about 3 billion per month. What would you do in this case?
And fuel has risen dramatically in the last few weeks. Consider 1 component - Heavy water. Used to trade for 22 ISK/unit. Now is 225 ISK. That one component alone is almost 100 million more per month. That has NOTHING to do with PI.
Lastly, all my calculations are with 0% waste - so it will be worse if you don't do the material research.
Actually I don't get you. First of, you produce blocks even 33% cheaper than me and that just because i am lasy and produce off of market average prices!
Putting that aside the market just started to run in, everyonne buying now is simply overheading in his/her reaction but at the end of the 2 weeks run-in time the prices adjust and stable out around 22-29k isk each. Loooking at that the run cost of a small and medium pos will even reduce in comparison to the current run costs and I am happy about that.
The single example I can think of is robotics. One Gallente Fuel block has 1/40 of a robotic in it, so 10 blocks (per hour) to fuel one small Gal Tower will just 1/4 of a robotic where as the current gallente or faction gal towers use 1 (in words "one") so my cost in that is quartered. The same counts for some other materials. I dont see your problem m8, your spreadsheets are wrong.
Also the prices of PI stuff will drop again since people are double buying everythin atm. They produce fuel on stock which noone needs and still buy the single materials to fuel their pos directly until the transition takes place. Thus once the transition is over the prices will drop as the PI stuff will"probably" not go into fueling directly anymore but into block production since its cheaper to fuel your pos with blocks. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.12.04 12:10:00 -
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Old vs new Consumption (assuming a ME40 BPO of the fuel blocks and Production Efficiency V skill):
Coolant - 2/4/8 to 2/4/8
Enriched Uranium - 1/2/4 to 1/2/4
Mech Parts - 2/3/5 to 1/2/4
Oxygen - 7/13/25 to 5/10/20
Robotics - 1/1/1 to 0.25/0.50/1.00
Heavy Water - 38/75/150 to 38/75/150
Isotopes - 113/225/450 to 100/200/400
Liquid Ozone - 38/75/150 to 38/75/150
So Mech Parts consumption went down. Oxygen went down. Robotics was even or down. Isotopes went down.
Whether or not that means your fuel costs got cheaper depends on how much HW/LOz you were using before. In general, however, small towers gained the most, followed by medium towers.
Estimated prices: (millions of ISK/30d, S/M/L towers, fuel pellet price with no mark-up)
Amarr: 119 / 221 / 425 - 14768 ISK/u
Caldari: 121 / 225 / 435 - 15099 ISK/u
Gallente: 189 / 362 / 708 - 24578 ISK/u
Minmatar: 122 / 227 / 438 - 15225 ISK/u
Prices:
Coolant - 11.7k
Enriched Uranium - 14.0k
Mech Parts - 11.8k
Oxygen - 529
Robotics - 83.9k
HW - 220
Isotopes - 437-483 (Oxytopes at 1419)
LOz - 461 |
Mirima Thurander
Sarajevo Syndicate
True Reign
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Posted - 2011.12.04 13:28:00 -
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Palal wrote:You two are real confused.
Let me address the buy fuel blocks versus manufacture. And sorry the numbers are even worse; I messed up on my spreadsheet on the first post:
I can manufacture @ 14,100 ISK per block, or roughly 1.62 billion per month in fuel.
I can purchase @20,600 ISK per block, or roughly 2.37 billion per month in fuel.
My revenue is about 3 billion per month. What would you do in this case?
And fuel has risen dramatically in the last few weeks. Consider 1 component - Heavy water. Used to trade for 22 ISK/unit. Now is 225 ISK. That one component alone is almost 100 million more per month. That has NOTHING to do with PI.
Lastly, all my calculations are with 0% waste - so it will be worse if you don't do the material research.
because everyone's not marking them up because everyone that has a tower now needs to get a small stock, CLEARLY These prices will not Level out at some point
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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.04 14:12:00 -
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Current fuel block prices are "too high" because supply is not able to meet demand.
Once the switchover is complete and everyone is running on blocks, expect block prices to be within few percent of the part costs as it is very simple Tech 1 manufacturing operation with potentially massive volume -> people will start doing it in huge quantities and take the isk from the volume.
If you do not have easy access to spare manufacturing capacity, most likely the right choice is to buy blocks :except: perhaps for the very first load. Could also just take a small 1 week load of self-made blocks first (bit of :effort:) and plan on just buying blocks on the market once the situation stabilizes.
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Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
Care Factor
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Posted - 2011.12.04 14:46:00 -
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Dude, if the fuel block manufacturing is as profitable as you say, I'm going right into that business line.
If it's not, and probably it is not, you'r a liar and just can't do math right.
Even if it costs so much atm , the prices will drop. Currently the biggest price hit is where PI is produced with the increased PI tax, not in the block manufacturing.
Stop whining, change your line of work if it's so profitable. It was unwiser to share that knowledge with us.
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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.04 19:00:00 -
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Please do not rant and keep the post being constructive.
Thread locked.
Please take the advice of all the good players here. Also keep feedback discussion of Crucible in general here and starbase fuel blocks in special here.
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