After Fuel Block Change:
- I will only be able to make it 13 days instead of 17days. So I have to do this even more frequently than before. That's 3 times a month I have to do this instead of 2. /GRRRR. (13 days x 24 hours/day x 40 blocks/hr x 4 towers x 5m3/block = 249600m3 or 49920 blocks.

- Each time will take longer - because I now have to manufacture 49920 blocks.

- I still have to do freaking math. How many blocks in my towers. How many of each type of component in each fuel block.

You two are real confused.

Let me address the buy fuel blocks versus manufacture. And sorry the numbers are even worse; I messed up on my spreadsheet on the first post:

I can manufacture @ 14,100 ISK per block, or roughly 1.62 billion per month in fuel.
I can purchase @20,600 ISK per block, or roughly 2.37 billion per month in fuel.

My revenue is about 3 billion per month. What would you do in this case?

And fuel has risen dramatically in the last few weeks. Consider 1 component - Heavy water. Used to trade for 22 ISK/unit. Now is 225 ISK. That one component alone is almost 100 million more per month. That has NOTHING to do with PI.

Lastly, all my calculations are with 0% waste - so it will be worse if you don't do the material research.

My revenue is about 3 billion per month. What would you do in this case?

What I would do? Manufature lots of blocks for 14,100 ISK per block, sell for 20,600 ISK per block.
That way I should earn enough money to pay fuelling my POSes for a month and some extra. :)

I can manufacture @ 14,100 ISK per block, or roughly 1.62 billion per month in fuel.
I can purchase @20,600 ISK per block, or roughly 2.37 billion per month in fuel.

My revenue is about 3 billion per month. What would you do in this case?

Well you know - I've tried selling stuff @ market price plus 25% but for some reason - it never gets sold...

Perhaps you missed the point - Crucible has basically increased my workload for far less profit.

I googled: CPP failure and it came back with thruster failure.

I googled: CPP failure and it came back with thruster failure. I then narrowed the search to: eve CPP failure and it came to this thread. I'm confused.

Okay so CPP introduced fuel blocks as a means to "reduce my workload".

Summary: In reality the net effect of the changes in Crucible on my operation are: More work for, more investment, all for less profit.
- Instantly 400 million more per month in fuel costs due to fuel block and rise of prices due to PI changes
- Substantially more pain - must visit my POS's with JF every 13 days instead of every 17 due to more m3 of the fuel required.
- More investment required - must have double the amount of fuel around - I'm always be manufacturing fuel to consume.
- More time - I must now work the manufacturing cycle into my refueling procedure.


For those who want a little more detail:

Before Crucible - the refueling procedure every 17 days was:
1) Move my toon from wherever he is to wherein in high sec my freighter is.
2) Move freighter to Jita - purchase 1 months worth of fuel for 4 caldari large towers - typically this used to be 1.1 to 1.2 billion.
3) Move freighter to lowsec jump in point - swap fuel from freighter to jump freighter.
4) Login 2nd account; jump to target system when it's clear.
5) Navigate to each of the towers, drop off fuel.
6) Jump back to high sec
7) Navigate to Jita
8) Sell proceeds.

I used to do this about every 17 days. (Time limited by volume of fuel transferred from Jita).

Before Crucible Profit Statement:
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Sales, Less Fuel, Less Jump Fuel, Less Raw Material = 1.1 billion ish. Though this has been declining recently with rising fuel cost.

After Fuel Block Change:
- I will only be able to make it 13 days instead of 17days. So I have to do this even more frequently than before. That's 3 times a month I have to do this instead of 2. /GRRRR. (13 days x 24 hours/day x 40 blocks/hr x 4 towers x 5m3/block = 249600m3 or 49920 blocks.

- Each time will take longer - because I now have to manufacture 49920 blocks. For a total time of 12,480 minutes or 208 hours. I can manage this by just investing in 2 cycles of fuel instead of 1. So assuming there is manufacturing capacity somewhere in highsec along my route; I just need to get switch the raw fuel components for the manufactured fuel blocks and kick the next cycle of manufacturing.

- I still have to do freaking math. How many blocks in my towers. How many of each type of component in each fuel block. No time savings there.

- If i purchase the fuel blocks - they appear to be going for 20,600 ISK each. Or at the current prices I can manufacture for 13,500 ISK approximately. Post Crucible - that difference amounts to 2.37 Billion in costs versus 1.55 Billion. So net effect is that I *have* to manufacture to even remain profitable.

- The PI changes have pushed the costs of PI materials through the roof: Fuel costs have risen to 1.55 Billion.




So my question to CCP is - who's bright idea was this - and how the BLEEP did they think this was going to somehow make my job easier?

The only thing I can say is - TOTAL AND COMPLETE FAILURE TO ACHIEVE OBJECTIVE.

Well you know - I've tried selling stuff @ market price plus 25% but for some reason - it never gets sold...

Perhaps you missed the point - Crucible has basically increased my workload for far less profit.

You two are real confused.

Let me address the buy fuel blocks versus manufacture. And sorry the numbers are even worse; I messed up on my spreadsheet on the first post:

I can manufacture @ 14,100 ISK per block, or roughly 1.62 billion per month in fuel.
I can purchase @20,600 ISK per block, or roughly 2.37 billion per month in fuel.

My revenue is about 3 billion per month. What would you do in this case?

And fuel has risen dramatically in the last few weeks. Consider 1 component - Heavy water. Used to trade for 22 ISK/unit. Now is 225 ISK. That one component alone is almost 100 million more per month. That has NOTHING to do with PI.

Lastly, all my calculations are with 0% waste - so it will be worse if you don't do the material research.

I still have to do freaking math. How many blocks in my towers. How many of each type of component in each fuel block. No time savings there.

Nah, objective accomplished. It is now easier than ever for a very few RMT alliances to own every single valuable moon in the game, and now they can just throw money at the problems (instead of taking time to actually take care of their assets), thus securing the RMT chain, and thus securing Greyscale's cut. The POCO changes accomplish the same thing... turns PI into an isk deluge for those RMT nullbear alliances, and making it harder than ever for them to ever be meaningfully challenged, and thus securing the RMT chain.

Whether this post reflects incompetence or sinister intent, it is these kinds of posts that will ultimately destroy my credibility.

You two are real confused.

Let me address the buy fuel blocks versus manufacture. And sorry the numbers are even worse; I messed up on my spreadsheet on the first post:

I can manufacture @ 14,100 ISK per block, or roughly 1.62 billion per month in fuel.
I can purchase @20,600 ISK per block, or roughly 2.37 billion per month in fuel.

My revenue is about 3 billion per month. What would you do in this case?

And fuel has risen dramatically in the last few weeks. Consider 1 component - Heavy water. Used to trade for 22 ISK/unit. Now is 225 ISK. That one component alone is almost 100 million more per month. That has NOTHING to do with PI.

Lastly, all my calculations are with 0% waste - so it will be worse if you don't do the material research.

See, this here is a multi player game so to look after our modest 7 towers I have a team of people, 3 people do a single reaction pair each (fuel loading, silo emptying and filling) this takes around 30 minutes a week for each person. 1 guy makes teh fuel cubes ot of teh fuel that I buy up locally or get my corp to produce when they arent exploding people.

All in all thats 4 people doing a max of 30 mins work a week and then once a fortnight I pay someone to haul to Jita... Fuel cubes hav emade our lives ALOT easier.

What Im saying is your doing it wrong, maybe get some freinds to play this massively multiplayer game...

You two are real confused.

Let me address the buy fuel blocks versus manufacture. And sorry the numbers are even worse; I messed up on my spreadsheet on the first post:

I can manufacture @ 14,100 ISK per block, or roughly 1.62 billion per month in fuel.
I can purchase @20,600 ISK per block, or roughly 2.37 billion per month in fuel.

My revenue is about 3 billion per month. What would you do in this case?

And fuel has risen dramatically in the last few weeks. Consider 1 component - Heavy water. Used to trade for 22 ISK/unit. Now is 225 ISK. That one component alone is almost 100 million more per month. That has NOTHING to do with PI.

Lastly, all my calculations are with 0% waste - so it will be worse if you don't do the material research.

You two are real confused.

Let me address the buy fuel blocks versus manufacture. And sorry the numbers are even worse; I messed up on my spreadsheet on the first post:

I can manufacture @ 14,100 ISK per block, or roughly 1.62 billion per month in fuel.
I can purchase @20,600 ISK per block, or roughly 2.37 billion per month in fuel.

My revenue is about 3 billion per month. What would you do in this case?

And fuel has risen dramatically in the last few weeks. Consider 1 component - Heavy water. Used to trade for 22 ISK/unit. Now is 225 ISK. That one component alone is almost 100 million more per month. That has NOTHING to do with PI.

Lastly, all my calculations are with 0% waste - so it will be worse if you don't do the material research.

You two are real confused.

Let me address the buy fuel blocks versus manufacture. And sorry the numbers are even worse; I messed up on my spreadsheet on the first post:

I can manufacture @ 14,100 ISK per block, or roughly 1.62 billion per month in fuel.
I can purchase @20,600 ISK per block, or roughly 2.37 billion per month in fuel.

My revenue is about 3 billion per month. What would you do in this case?

And fuel has risen dramatically in the last few weeks. Consider 1 component - Heavy water. Used to trade for 22 ISK/unit. Now is 225 ISK. That one component alone is almost 100 million more per month. That has NOTHING to do with PI.

Lastly, all my calculations are with 0% waste - so it will be worse if you don't do the material research.