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PopplerRo 21	Posted - 2015.04.10 14:47:26 - [91] - Quote Kaphrah wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Kaphrah wrote: ... ... .. Fun fact for you: Smartbombs do damage while your ship is still leaving warp. To the other comments: Do you think after 2 hours waiting and finally getting ready for a few min, people went afk or tried to activate the first volley via mouse? (YES, we clicked after noticing nothing worked anymore) ... Except lately I've seen where CCP were reimbursing pods/shuttles which died to smartbombers while landing on gate (still technically in warp) in highsec, it's not to say they wouldn't have reimbursed if you folks were successful then. Nice idea though, shame the server couldn't handle this bit of gameplay
Iroquoiss Pliskin Hedion University Amarr Empire 212	Posted - 2015.04.10 14:48:32 - [92] - Quote PopplerRo wrote: Kaphrah wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Kaphrah wrote: ... ... .. Fun fact for you: Smartbombs do damage while your ship is still leaving warp. To the other comments: Do you think after 2 hours waiting and finally getting ready for a few min, people went afk or tried to activate the first volley via mouse? (YES, we clicked after noticing nothing worked anymore) ... Except lately I've seen where CCP were reimbursing pods/shuttles which died to smartbombers while landing on gate (still technically in warp) in highsec WHAT Turret-Equivalent of the Rapid ML Concept // Make BS & BC Worth the Warp! ( -í° -£-û -í°)
Frostys Virpio The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1679	Posted - 2015.04.10 14:53:33 - [93] - Quote Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote: PopplerRo wrote: Kaphrah wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Kaphrah wrote: ... ... .. Fun fact for you: Smartbombs do damage while your ship is still leaving warp. To the other comments: Do you think after 2 hours waiting and finally getting ready for a few min, people went afk or tried to activate the first volley via mouse? (YES, we clicked after noticing nothing worked anymore) ... Except lately I've seen where CCP were reimbursing pods/shuttles which died to smartbombers while landing on gate (still technically in warp) in highsec WHAT I can't say for sure but the argument was probably along the line of I'm not supposed to be able to take damage while in warp and I should be in a session change when I exit warp again preventing me from taking damage. That's the only way I can think filing for reimbursement on that could have a chance to work...
PopplerRo 21	Posted - 2015.04.10 14:58:32 - [94] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: I can't say for sure but the argument was probably along the line of I'm not supposed to be able to take damage while in warp and I should be in a session change when I exit warp again preventing me from taking damage. That's the only way I can think filing for reimbursement on that could have a chance to work... The whole argument was probably based on if you are supposed to take damage while in warp or not. I know it work right now but if someone petitioned it, who knows how it's supposed to work now... think it was along the lines of "I'm in warp, no one should be able hurt me while in warp and unable to react to what is happening, waa waa reimburse me"
Frostys Virpio The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1679	Posted - 2015.04.10 14:58:38 - [95] - Quote Kaphrah wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Kaphrah wrote: And raw damage and resists does not matter here. 140k is raw damage. 100k EHP is the amount of raw damage needed to kill the ship instantly, so we are already comparing the same things if we have raw DMG and EHP. Range, their own logi, overheating, shield regen, lack of perfect skills in the attackers, there are many factors to shake off that 40K. Their own logi ~_~''' Fun fact for you: Smartbombs do damage while your ship is still leaving warp. To the other comments: Do you think after 2 hours waiting and finally getting ready for a few min, people went afk or tried to activate the first volley via mouse? (YES, we clicked after noticing nothing worked anymore) Back to the damage while warping thing: First, Incursion logis have WAY, WAAAAY, WAAAAAAAAAAA-AAAAAAAAA-AAAAAAAAAAAY less EHP than 140k. Second, they were still leaving warp while the first volley should have hit. Try to lock something while your ship is working. That should solve your question here. Overheat? Maybe. Still they had no fleetboost, so 1 overheated invul doesn't bring your ship even close to 200k+. You get hit by the first cycle while in warp, absolutlely helpless, the second one hits 6-8 seconds later while you'r scrammed and webbed. Logis are gone on the first one. If the servers would work there is no chance of escape. Indeed if the server were able to handle all that happened within those few seconds, the logi and battleship should of died. The only issue is, did CCP ever say stuff like that was supposed to be supported correctly by the server? The number generated were pretty damn high on a non-reinforced node which might also have been dealing with action in other systems.
Frostys Virpio The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1679	Posted - 2015.04.10 15:00:22 - [96] - Quote PopplerRo wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: I can't say for sure but the argument was probably along the line of I'm not supposed to be able to take damage while in warp and I should be in a session change when I exit warp again preventing me from taking damage. That's the only way I can think filing for reimbursement on that could have a chance to work... The whole argument was probably based on if you are supposed to take damage while in warp or not. I know it work right now but if someone petitioned it, who knows how it's supposed to work now... think it was along the lines of "I'm in warp, no one should be able hurtme while in warp and unable to react to what is happening" Yeah and the real question is, are you supposed to be vulnerable to smartbomb or not while in warp. If you are not supposed to be immune, the reimbursement was an error. If you are supposed to be immune, then it should be reported as a bug.
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1338	Posted - 2015.04.10 15:14:14 - [97] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: PopplerRo wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: I can't say for sure but the argument was probably along the line of I'm not supposed to be able to take damage while in warp and I should be in a session change when I exit warp again preventing me from taking damage. That's the only way I can think filing for reimbursement on that could have a chance to work... The whole argument was probably based on if you are supposed to take damage while in warp or not. I know it work right now but if someone petitioned it, who knows how it's supposed to work now... think it was along the lines of "I'm in warp, no one should be able hurtme while in warp and unable to react to what is happening" Yeah and the real question is, are you supposed to be vulnerable to smartbomb or not while in warp. If you are not supposed to be immune, the reimbursement was an error. If you are supposed to be immune, then it should be reported as a bug. It has been like this for years and there must have been hundreds of petitions about this already. Santo Trafficante made sure of that. This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
Asura Vajrarupa Mud-N-Sparklez 49	Posted - 2015.04.10 16:09:26 - [98] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Herzog, I hope you are joking. I'm not an aspergian min-maxer, meaning I never used a disco BS. I never set out to "do everything" in the game and have never used a smart bomb. So I am serious. If there is some denigration to be afforded for not knowing, then excuse me for not going to out use every last detail in the game out of some obsession. Forgive me for being sane and having a life. Yeah, but there's this thing called the internet, you can do searches for information on it with another thing called a search engine (which btw isn't like a car engine)... Ignorance is the cause of suffering.
Iroquoiss Pliskin Hedion University Amarr Empire 215	Posted - 2015.04.10 16:16:34 - [99] - Quote Asura Vajrarupa wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Herzog, I hope you are joking. I'm not an aspergian min-maxer, meaning I never used a disco BS. I never set out to "do everything" in the game and have never used a smart bomb. So I am serious. If there is some denigration to be afforded for not knowing, then excuse me for not going to out use every last detail in the game out of some obsession. Forgive me for being sane and having a life. Yeah, but there's this thing called the internet, you can do searches for information on it with another thing called a search engine (which btw isn't like a car engine)... What about hooman interaction? (GÿPn+ƒpâ«n+ƒ)GÿP Gÿ£(n+ƒpâ«n+ƒGÿ£) Turret-Equivalent of the Rapid ML Concept // Make BS & BC Worth the Warp! ( -í° -£-û -í°)
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 565	Posted - 2015.04.10 20:34:41 - [100] - Quote If this had gone off without a hitch, it would probably have been the best ALOD of the year. Not only that, the small loss of 24 bil would have probably gotten made up for in the loot drops and the tears. Oh how mighty the tears would have been.
Jenshae Chiroptera 1273	Posted - 2015.04.11 00:01:09 - [101] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: If this had gone off without a hitch, it would probably have been the best ALOD of the year. Not only that, the small loss of 24 bil would have probably gotten made up for in the loot drops and the tears. Oh how mighty the tears would have been. It was the best event of the week for me regarding EVE. Thinking about it, seeing this thread brings a smile every time. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Iroquoiss Pliskin Hedion University Amarr Empire 222	Posted - 2015.04.11 06:41:41 - [102] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Not only that, the small loss of 24 bil would have probably gotten made up for in the loot drops and the tears. They didn't plan for success - I don't see haulers and water reservoirs on standby. Turret-Equivalent of the Rapid ML Concept // Make BS & BC Worth the Warp! ( -í° -£-û -í°)
Malcaz Addicted to Shljivovica The Looper Collective 36	Posted - 2015.04.11 20:24:25 - [103] - Quote Ganker tears yummy
Oxide Ammar 197	Posted - 2015.04.12 04:34:59 - [104] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: You also went after buffer fitted omni tanked battleships with your attack, who can overheat hardeners and are well trained at doing so when in dangerous situations, incursion fleets are not 'afk' miners (who are a mythical beast anyway for the most part) in 10k EHP ships. QFT. Lady Areola Fappington: -áSolo PVP isn't dead!-á You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing.
Liafcipe9000 Critically Preposterous 34834	Posted - 2015.04.12 07:30:47 - [105] - Quote Niclas Miula wrote: How CCP protect da Carebears they don't. Critically Preposterous is recruiting! Join the fight! I am a cat.
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 165	Posted - 2015.04.12 08:04:26 - [106] - Quote The bad plan (check) made by bad people (check) goonies included (check) executed with little to no forethought (check). Your contribution to my tear bucket is appreciated. P.S. "We are goonies, we can totally jump our cap fleet into this unreinforced system right on top of enemy fleet and nothing bad will happen." - I understand that this was not yesterday already (and CCP has habitually catered to petition spam and reimbursed the results of a bad decision like it's nothing), but some people never learn, serving as yet another proof that gankers are bottom feeders of eve skill-wise and just fell into this occupation by not being able to do anything harder. I mean, it did take them a whole month!!! to get 26 identically fit machs in hisec, wow. Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy. If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
Shade Millith Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective 147	Posted - 2015.04.12 13:56:40 - [107] - Quote Yun Kuai wrote: Pipe bombing 100+ men fleet in nullsec is easily done with very limited lag. The last pipebomb I ended up in nullsec in took a good 2-3 minutes to go through 2 smartbomb cycles. 100k EHP eagle slowly watching my health tick down. Pipebombing creates a magnitude more lag than targeting something and shooting it. That's just the reality of it. And in highsec, where the servers are not expected to take that kind of load, it's going to hit far harder than nullsec.
Jenshae Chiroptera 1276	Posted - 2015.04.12 14:56:49 - [108] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: The bad plan (check) made by bad people (check) goonies included (check) executed with little to no forethought (check). Your contribution to my tear bucket is appreciated.. Mmmm ... yes. I am drinking from a glass of water right now and imagining it is full of ganker tears. It tastes like nectar. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Ioci Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums 574	Posted - 2015.04.13 05:30:59 - [109] - Quote I'm not really in to the pirate thing but I tried to web down a guy who was being bumped in the cow pasture tonight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRbwy1kn3BA Ended in fail. I have in the past tried to remote rep them with Guardians, that ended in fail as well. Aside from corp member web escort, I can find no counter to the bump mechanic. R.I.P. Vile Rat
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 166	Posted - 2015.04.13 07:41:50 - [110] - Quote Ioci wrote: I'm not really in to the pirate thing but I tried to web down a guy who was being bumped in the cow pasture tonight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRbwy1kn3BA Ended in fail. I have in the past tried to remote rep them with Guardians, that ended in fail as well. Aside from corp member web escort, I can find no counter to the bump mechanic. You think all those terrible people (could do it / would be doing it) if it weren't completely foolproof? Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy. If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
Ioci Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums 574	Posted - 2015.04.13 08:25:54 - [111] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: Ioci wrote: I'm not really in to the pirate thing but I tried to web down a guy who was being bumped in the cow pasture tonight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRbwy1kn3BA Ended in fail. I have in the past tried to remote rep them with Guardians, that ended in fail as well. Aside from corp member web escort, I can find no counter to the bump mechanic. You think all those terrible people (could do it / would be doing it) if it weren't completely foolproof? I'm trying to imagine how CCP could introduce bump mechanics and the things connected to it in to an NPE without making EVE and themselves look like complete meatheads. They could do it from either side of the coin, it still looks like a circus sideshow. R.I.P. Vile Rat
Frostys Virpio The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1687	Posted - 2015.04.13 17:10:46 - [112] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: If this had gone off without a hitch, it would probably have been the best ALOD of the year. Not only that, the small loss of 24 bil would have probably gotten made up for in the loot drops and the tears. Oh how mighty the tears would have been. Lots of loot would of been killed by smartbombs going off after some **** already went boom no?
Kaphrah Kaphrah Corporation4 39	Posted - 2015.04.15 22:35:53 - [113] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Estella Osoka wrote: If this had gone off without a hitch, it would probably have been the best ALOD of the year. Not only that, the small loss of 24 bil would have probably gotten made up for in the loot drops and the tears. Oh how mighty the tears would have been. Lots of loot would of been killed by smartbombs going off after some **** already went boom no? not sure if troll or serious. might aswell be highsec miner.
Akirei Scytale Okami Syndicate 3488	Posted - 2015.04.15 22:44:01 - [114] - Quote It took you a month to fit smartbombs onto Machariels and then go die? How does that even work?
Jenshae Chiroptera 1342	Posted - 2015.04.16 01:09:09 - [115] - Quote Akirei Scytale wrote: It took you a month to fit smartbombs onto Machariels and then go die? How does that even work? Herding Cats level 1 Training n00bs level 1 Fit search ability level 2 CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Kaphrah Kaphrah Corporation4 39	Posted - 2015.04.16 12:59:19 - [116] - Quote Holy f how dense can people be... FAQ for those with flubber instead of brain: "ganker tears #LOLOLOL" - dudes and dudines, we wasted 40b for fun, and yes, we were kinda disappointed about the poor server performance, didn't really see any flames here. "he says 40b #LOLOLOLOL there were only 26 machs and that was 40b? What an idiot" - First, many people were on alts that had no API on any KB, so there are not all 55+ shipkills uploaded. Second, have this: Machs ~25b, Fits (we bought a lot of stuff to refit for different occasions and skills) ~5b, PLEX sponsored to some people to take part who had inactive accounts: ~9b. And if you add those numbers, and a bit of isk for needed parts like a pos, you might maaaybe get to 40b. Oh btw... there is still fit leftovers, haven't sold them yet. "It took you 1 month for this? How ****** are you?" - Easy to answer. Try to gather 50+ people from this many alliances and places AND THEN find a date where EVERYBODY has time for this event. THIS took the month. "lol u fgt Smartbombs destroy ur lootz ur so dumb" - Go to the testserver. Fit a smartbomb. Land in range to any wreck. Activate. Be amazed. And Basil my sweetheart... Please check all of the points above. "Because I can" seems a hard to grasp concept for some people here.
Jenshae Chiroptera 1350	Posted - 2015.04.16 16:27:42 - [117] - Quote Kaphrah wrote: Holy f how dense can people be.... Rage more, please. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow** Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 568	Posted - 2015.04.16 21:42:01 - [118] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Kaphrah wrote: Holy f** how dense can people be.... Rage more, please. ^^^^ That dense.
Jenshae Chiroptera 1355	Posted - 2015.04.17 00:53:23 - [119] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Kaphrah wrote: Holy f how dense can people be.... Rage more, please. ^^^^ That dense. Dense is great, carbon and metals are move valuable with more density. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow** Fozzie is treating a symptom.

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